Aircrew rations
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MightyHunterAGE, you do have a chip on your shoulder eh?
Maybe you should stay off PPrune and get some more frames ready to load aircrew rations on.
And if it causes you so much distress and you are upset that someone may be getting something that you are not, stop whining and get yourself down to OASC.
You are giving the hard working lineys a bad name.
There, I feel much better for that.
Maybe you should stay off PPrune and get some more frames ready to load aircrew rations on.
And if it causes you so much distress and you are upset that someone may be getting something that you are not, stop whining and get yourself down to OASC.
You are giving the hard working lineys a bad name.
There, I feel much better for that.
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I pay for meals in the mess 7 days a week, since I only receive 3 meals on average a week perhaps the blunties who are at the front of the queue at 12 and 5 o'clock every day should subsidies the meals I’m missing?? If I’m away from base for 10-12 hours at a time why should I pay for the pleasure, let’s be real!!!!!
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Problem solved
The way I see it, the most pragmatic solution to this problem would be to stop paying flying pay to aircrew who are not in a flying tour and use the money saved to provide rations for those aircrew who are in a flying tour. 
Problem solved!
Problem solved!
Well I have to agree. I have received 'Lumpy Boxes' on too many LL sorties around the UK, even when not missing a meal. I could never see the point in them, they were full of junk and as such I used to bring in my own much healthier food. And before any one quotes Flt safety and all that crap on most of the AT fleet you have a fridge and microwave.
I fail to see why we should continue with this 2 tier RAF of winged and not winged. We are all people at the end of the day with the same basic human needs. Therefore why should all the flyers be blessed with better conditions than the equal human on the ground? The pathetic egotistical argument of 'should have done better at school' or 'can't beat 'em join em' has no place in today’s society and as such would be ridiculed and frowned upon in most company HR departments.
I have often come across winged personnel who do think they are a cut above and special. Granted, not everyone can be tarnished with this brush but there is a distinct level of selfish elitism that presides amongst some aircrew.
See the letters page in the RAF News this week and the cutbacks being enforced on personnel attending courses, where the first 30 days free food has been axed. Now, the average tom with £200 spare a month will have to pay for food when he is away on a compulsory course? What other civi company would send people away and not give them perks / expenses? This proves that your argument if selfish and flawed.
Therefore why should aircrew doing a 2 hr LL sortie from 0900-1100 receive rations just because they are flying??
I'm not bitter and twisted, just trying to get people to appreciate both side of the fence and how some people (inc the personnel that get the planes into the air, techies, drivers, chefs, all part of the team) feel.
It's that bad attitude that may leave the air-force with less people to look after the aircrew in all aspects, than pilots.
Rant over...constructive points only though as levels of maturity need to be maintained!!
I fail to see why we should continue with this 2 tier RAF of winged and not winged. We are all people at the end of the day with the same basic human needs. Therefore why should all the flyers be blessed with better conditions than the equal human on the ground? The pathetic egotistical argument of 'should have done better at school' or 'can't beat 'em join em' has no place in today’s society and as such would be ridiculed and frowned upon in most company HR departments.
I have often come across winged personnel who do think they are a cut above and special. Granted, not everyone can be tarnished with this brush but there is a distinct level of selfish elitism that presides amongst some aircrew.
See the letters page in the RAF News this week and the cutbacks being enforced on personnel attending courses, where the first 30 days free food has been axed. Now, the average tom with £200 spare a month will have to pay for food when he is away on a compulsory course? What other civi company would send people away and not give them perks / expenses? This proves that your argument if selfish and flawed.
Therefore why should aircrew doing a 2 hr LL sortie from 0900-1100 receive rations just because they are flying??
I'm not bitter and twisted, just trying to get people to appreciate both side of the fence and how some people (inc the personnel that get the planes into the air, techies, drivers, chefs, all part of the team) feel.
It's that bad attitude that may leave the air-force with less people to look after the aircrew in all aspects, than pilots.
Rant over...constructive points only though as levels of maturity need to be maintained!!
Aircrew should only eat food which has been properly prepared. FL350 with 4 hours to go is bad enough, but getting the sh*ts at 250 feet in a Herc would be less than amusing. So no, you certainly shouldn't bring your own !
Never did see the point of 1-3 or 3-5 hours rationing myself..... But 5-7 and more, indeed yes.
The stupid S1 box was a load of absolute cack when I stopped flying in 2002. Are they still as bad now?
Never did see the point of 1-3 or 3-5 hours rationing myself..... But 5-7 and more, indeed yes.
The stupid S1 box was a load of absolute cack when I stopped flying in 2002. Are they still as bad now?
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Hi everybody,
it's my first post here as I just stumbled over this forum...
It seems that most air forces have the same problems. In our Air Force, we just had the same cut on the meals, and the way we solved it is, that we still get our flight meals, however, we have to pay half the price we would have to pay in the mess (only half, because in the mess the variety is better).
I think most of us (and most of the ground based guys
) are fine with this solution .
Cheers, Lifter91
it's my first post here as I just stumbled over this forum...
It seems that most air forces have the same problems. In our Air Force, we just had the same cut on the meals, and the way we solved it is, that we still get our flight meals, however, we have to pay half the price we would have to pay in the mess (only half, because in the mess the variety is better).
I think most of us (and most of the ground based guys
) are fine with this solution .Cheers, Lifter91
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I fail to see why we should continue with this 2 tier RAF of winged and not winged.
Now I'm fifthly civi scum when I go away on a course I get fed for free, why should it be different for servicemen?
Edited to add 'welcome to the chap above, USAF or Luftwaffe?'
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Might be abit off the point, but I always liked the way that butties for FJ fellas were cut into tiny squares. You always get a bread-filling-bread-bread grab first......... which means:.... filling-bread-bread-filling next.
I have personally flicked a piece of cucumber into the HUD of a Tonka, it was still next the Altitude when I landed!
Laugh, I nearly sh..... well, on the bright side, 12 months down the road, Ly Big jets will be able to T/O with 'x' more stuff, with the same crew, and same ODM figures!!! ( I wonder why? )
I have personally flicked a piece of cucumber into the HUD of a Tonka, it was still next the Altitude when I landed!
Laugh, I nearly sh..... well, on the bright side, 12 months down the road, Ly Big jets will be able to T/O with 'x' more stuff, with the same crew, and same ODM figures!!!
( I wonder why? )
BEagle, I think you have a genuine point.
In terms of Duty of Care wouldn't all aircrew have to obtain a Food Safety/Hygiene Certificate? Otherwise, how can they provide their own sandwiches prepared to the proper guidelines?
There would also have to be adequate facilities to store the sandwiches until flight time and of course they would have to be labelled appropriately.
At least I'll know for certain what's in my butties from now on!
In terms of Duty of Care wouldn't all aircrew have to obtain a Food Safety/Hygiene Certificate? Otherwise, how can they provide their own sandwiches prepared to the proper guidelines?
There would also have to be adequate facilities to store the sandwiches until flight time and of course they would have to be labelled appropriately.
At least I'll know for certain what's in my butties from now on!
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I do wonder about you sometimes!
I recall that whenever we landed early (or on time) the first thing the groundcrew did was to literally ransack the galley of anything!!
I've even seen them take stuff that one of the crew had been saving for after landing. You guys took everything!! All the tea, coffee, milk, sugar, tinned food, every last thing. It was like a giant hoover after we landed.
And that was borne out if you ever went into the NLS crew room, where you could get a full, complete meal, courtesy of aircrew rations.
And now there is a rumour about the rations going and you are chuffed to bits!! You make me sick mate. Just pathetic, 'we can't have it, so you shouldn't have it either' do go and find yourself a life AGE. We can all see that you clearly go out of your way to foster good aircrew/groundcrew relations don't you!
Listen to BEagle, it will never happen, and it shouldn't ever happen. Christ man, how many more 'perks' do you want to lose? or are you only interested in those that affect the groundcrew and screw the rest?
TSM
I do wonder about you sometimes!
I recall that whenever we landed early (or on time) the first thing the groundcrew did was to literally ransack the galley of anything!!
I've even seen them take stuff that one of the crew had been saving for after landing. You guys took everything!! All the tea, coffee, milk, sugar, tinned food, every last thing. It was like a giant hoover after we landed.
And that was borne out if you ever went into the NLS crew room, where you could get a full, complete meal, courtesy of aircrew rations.
And now there is a rumour about the rations going and you are chuffed to bits!! You make me sick mate. Just pathetic, 'we can't have it, so you shouldn't have it either' do go and find yourself a life AGE. We can all see that you clearly go out of your way to foster good aircrew/groundcrew relations don't you!
Listen to BEagle, it will never happen, and it shouldn't ever happen. Christ man, how many more 'perks' do you want to lose? or are you only interested in those that affect the groundcrew and screw the rest?
TSM
Not wanting to detract from a good "them versus us" fight but the way I read the first post is that the only people it will affect are those that fly the shorter sorties, by day and not over the "lunch" period (whatever that is defined as). As rationing is based on authorised time, not actual time (or at least that was my understanding) the poeple who are going to "lose" are those who are authorised for sorties <1-4hrs (using SLCs figures) that land before (say) 1100hrs or take off after (say) 1400hrs. To me this is those in the training world and Fast Jets (and maybe rotary wing) and even them some careful auth sheet work will see the problem affecting even fewer. Can't see this affecting the Kinloss/Brize/Lyneham/Waddington eating teams at all (except perhaps for local trg sorties). And after Gordon Ramseys visit to an F3 sqn the FJ boys have no excuse for not knocking up a fine lunch in 25mins! Mountain out of a mole hill spings to mind IMHO.
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You all need to cool your horses down just a little here, anyone would think that they were trying to cut your flying pay or something!!
I am not jumping up and down with joy either way if this 'perk' gets removed or not.
Zedder
However, has anyone got a fridge I can keep the stuff in (to keep it safe to eat while I'm flying) while I sit around on my arse waiting for the jet to be ready for the 1000, no make that 1200, oops forgot some paperwork so let's make that 1500, nope still not ready so how about 1700, take-off!!
Ok lets all rush around and send a jet up without carrying out the correct procedure and paperwork just because your sarnies are going off then eh?
Len Ganley
Hopefully all these people wingeing about aircrew rations have never helped themselves to butty boxes post sorties
MightyHunter AGE - I'm sure you would never seek to benefit from a system you despise.
Is it the in-flight catering you object to or the people who recieve it??
I object to neither, just because i have an opinion on how my taxes are being used that is different from yours I am wrong, last time I looked we lived and a free country where i am free to make my own mind up on things.
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MightyHunterAGE, you do have a chip on your shoulder eh?
Maybe you should stay off PPrune and get some more frames ready to load aircrew rations on.
And if it causes you so much distress and you are upset that someone may be getting something that you are not, stop whining and get yourself down to OASC.
You are giving the hard working lineys a bad name.
Grow up. I have no chip or axe to grind it and as for wanting to be aircrew I have never been interested, engineering has and always will be my thing, dont think that everyone is an aircrew wannabe. (oh and btw i am more than qualified to be one, just because I am groundcrew dont think I am stupid)
TSM
You make me sick mate.
Stop eating so much free food then
Just pathetic, 'we can't have it, so you shouldn't have it either' do go and find yourself a life AGE. We can all see that you clearly go out of your way to foster good aircrew/groundcrew relations don't you!
You dont know me so dont comment on things you know nothing about. I have an excellent working realationship with the aircrew at ISK. Again because my opinion differs from yours on free food I am obviously wrong. Sad..........
I recall that whenever we landed early (or on time) the first thing the groundcrew did was to literally ransack the galley of anything!!
True, what we should do is leave the food on the aircraft to rot so that it stinks for the next crew to enjoy then eh? Part of the flight servicing is to ensure left over rations are removed, yum yum waste not want not then, whats free for one should be free for all.
Oh and just as an afterthought, the reason a lot of linies eat the leftover rations is because they dont have time to go to the mess as they are too busy fixing the jets to keep you flying.
I am not jumping up and down with joy either way if this 'perk' gets removed or not.
Zedder
However, has anyone got a fridge I can keep the stuff in (to keep it safe to eat while I'm flying) while I sit around on my arse waiting for the jet to be ready for the 1000, no make that 1200, oops forgot some paperwork so let's make that 1500, nope still not ready so how about 1700, take-off!!
Ok lets all rush around and send a jet up without carrying out the correct procedure and paperwork just because your sarnies are going off then eh?
Len Ganley
Hopefully all these people wingeing about aircrew rations have never helped themselves to butty boxes post sorties
MightyHunter AGE - I'm sure you would never seek to benefit from a system you despise.
Is it the in-flight catering you object to or the people who recieve it??
I object to neither, just because i have an opinion on how my taxes are being used that is different from yours I am wrong, last time I looked we lived and a free country where i am free to make my own mind up on things.
XferSynbol
MightyHunterAGE, you do have a chip on your shoulder eh?
Maybe you should stay off PPrune and get some more frames ready to load aircrew rations on.
And if it causes you so much distress and you are upset that someone may be getting something that you are not, stop whining and get yourself down to OASC.
You are giving the hard working lineys a bad name.
Grow up. I have no chip or axe to grind it and as for wanting to be aircrew I have never been interested, engineering has and always will be my thing, dont think that everyone is an aircrew wannabe. (oh and btw i am more than qualified to be one, just because I am groundcrew dont think I am stupid)
TSM
You make me sick mate.
Stop eating so much free food then
Just pathetic, 'we can't have it, so you shouldn't have it either' do go and find yourself a life AGE. We can all see that you clearly go out of your way to foster good aircrew/groundcrew relations don't you!
You dont know me so dont comment on things you know nothing about. I have an excellent working realationship with the aircrew at ISK. Again because my opinion differs from yours on free food I am obviously wrong. Sad..........
I recall that whenever we landed early (or on time) the first thing the groundcrew did was to literally ransack the galley of anything!!
True, what we should do is leave the food on the aircraft to rot so that it stinks for the next crew to enjoy then eh? Part of the flight servicing is to ensure left over rations are removed, yum yum waste not want not then, whats free for one should be free for all.
Oh and just as an afterthought, the reason a lot of linies eat the leftover rations is because they dont have time to go to the mess as they are too busy fixing the jets to keep you flying.
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You keep going mate, I love to see someone like you digging holes for themselves. I have never read such a load of utter sanctimonious crap in all my life! You shouldn't be in the RAF - you should be a saint, you're so good.
As for the groundcrew taking the food off the jet after we land - hey, I don't have a problem with that at all. I would suggest to you that it is infact theft, but I couldn't care less, and if you think its OK, then that's alright by me, after all, you are 'Super AGE'
Oh, and you 'have an excellent working relationship with the aircrew at ISK' - I'm sure you do, well done. I'll bet you don't tell any of them to their faces some of the comments you say on this forum though, do you?
And you want to comment on how your taxes are spent?? On Aircrew rations? You really do need to get a life. I am all for not wasting my taxes, but on aircrew rations? Are you serious man? Are you for real?
And the 'yum yum waste not want not then, whats free for one should be free for all' Yes, that pretty much sums you up, if I can't have it, why should you?
And your final blast of.........wait for it.............'as an afterthought, the reason a lot of linies eat the leftover rations is because they dont have time to go to the mess as they are too busy fixing the jets to keep you flying' Now that just takes the biscuit. I would suggest that with the flying rate at ISK at the moment, that sort of comment does your cause no good whatsoever. On the contrary, you make things worse with comments of that nature.
So, just to summarise then:
'I don't get it, so the aircrew shouldn't get it'
'I don't want my taxes wasting on aircrew rations'
'We eat the left over rations so they don't go to waste'
'We eat the left over rations 'cos we are too busy to go to the mess'
Right then, I guess that will be all bo11ocks then? Eh?
TSM
You keep going mate, I love to see someone like you digging holes for themselves. I have never read such a load of utter sanctimonious crap in all my life! You shouldn't be in the RAF - you should be a saint, you're so good.
As for the groundcrew taking the food off the jet after we land - hey, I don't have a problem with that at all. I would suggest to you that it is infact theft, but I couldn't care less, and if you think its OK, then that's alright by me, after all, you are 'Super AGE'
Oh, and you 'have an excellent working relationship with the aircrew at ISK' - I'm sure you do, well done. I'll bet you don't tell any of them to their faces some of the comments you say on this forum though, do you?
And you want to comment on how your taxes are spent?? On Aircrew rations? You really do need to get a life. I am all for not wasting my taxes, but on aircrew rations? Are you serious man? Are you for real?
And the 'yum yum waste not want not then, whats free for one should be free for all' Yes, that pretty much sums you up, if I can't have it, why should you?
And your final blast of.........wait for it.............'as an afterthought, the reason a lot of linies eat the leftover rations is because they dont have time to go to the mess as they are too busy fixing the jets to keep you flying' Now that just takes the biscuit. I would suggest that with the flying rate at ISK at the moment, that sort of comment does your cause no good whatsoever. On the contrary, you make things worse with comments of that nature.
So, just to summarise then:
'I don't get it, so the aircrew shouldn't get it'
'I don't want my taxes wasting on aircrew rations'
'We eat the left over rations so they don't go to waste'
'We eat the left over rations 'cos we are too busy to go to the mess'
Right then, I guess that will be all bo11ocks then? Eh?
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Get over it TSM your days of free food are numbered, dry your eyes.
Yep you got it in one I am Super AGE!
And lastly, you shouldnt be in the RAF, well like most folk who have had enough of a two tier privelaged few ruling the roost, I am soon going off shore so I dont have to deal with sanctimonious, overpaid, pompus, know it all, whinging people like you.
TTFN
Yep you got it in one I am Super AGE!
And lastly, you shouldnt be in the RAF, well like most folk who have had enough of a two tier privelaged few ruling the roost, I am soon going off shore so I dont have to deal with sanctimonious, overpaid, pompus, know it all, whinging people like you.
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Hey, Super AGE,
Just a word of thanks fro me for showing your true colours! Now, at least, everyone can see that all your previous postings were cr4p! Well done.
Now hurry up and get back to the oily, greasy things and get my aircraft fixed, pronto! i've got a nice Beef Curry to eat before taxi, finished off with a slice of DCS and 6 Mars Bars before TOC. I think I'll settle down for a bit of a kip, before I start on my main course, now what shall I have today?? Choices, choices, lifes just a huge big eatex!
Oh, those poor groundies, so hard-worked and no time to get to the mess, shame. Maybe I'll leave them a nice yoghurt for their tea!
Just a word of thanks fro me for showing your true colours! Now, at least, everyone can see that all your previous postings were cr4p! Well done.
Now hurry up and get back to the oily, greasy things and get my aircraft fixed, pronto! i've got a nice Beef Curry to eat before taxi, finished off with a slice of DCS and 6 Mars Bars before TOC. I think I'll settle down for a bit of a kip, before I start on my main course, now what shall I have today?? Choices, choices, lifes just a huge big eatex!
Oh, those poor groundies, so hard-worked and no time to get to the mess, shame. Maybe I'll leave them a nice yoghurt for their tea!
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read again "so I dont have to deal with sanctimonious, overpaid, pompus, know it all, whinging people like you." You means you not anyone else, oh and BTW it shows how long it is since you flew, DCS, you are well out of touch (thankfully).
Oh and thanks for showing your true feelings on the groundcrew "Oh, those poor groundies, so hard-worked and no time to get to the mess, shame." Shouldnt expect much else really should I, folk like you give the rest of the aircrew a bad name. Hope you feel proud of yourself fostering such great aircrew/groundcrew releationships.......................
read again "so I dont have to deal with sanctimonious, overpaid, pompus, know it all, whinging people like you." You means you not anyone else, oh and BTW it shows how long it is since you flew, DCS, you are well out of touch (thankfully).
Oh and thanks for showing your true feelings on the groundcrew "Oh, those poor groundies, so hard-worked and no time to get to the mess, shame." Shouldnt expect much else really should I, folk like you give the rest of the aircrew a bad name. Hope you feel proud of yourself fostering such great aircrew/groundcrew releationships.......................
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Buuuurrrrrrp, burp, oh sorry Super AGE, just finished off my egg, bacon, burp, sausage, beans, fried bread, burp, mushrooms and black pudding free breakfast burp. All free of course (aircrew you see) Can I bring you back a cold bacon sarny maybe? What about the rest of your boys have they managed to find time to eat yet? You are a sad man AGE!
Now then, have you got my jet sorted yet? right, well come on then chaps, lets get airborne for a couple of hours shall we? We might have to extend just a few minutes mind, to make sure we finish off the last of the food!
Have a good weekend Super AGE, I now really do have to go flying - off for another hop to the sand pit, see you all next week!
TSM
Now then, have you got my jet sorted yet? right, well come on then chaps, lets get airborne for a couple of hours shall we? We might have to extend just a few minutes mind, to make sure we finish off the last of the food!
Have a good weekend Super AGE, I now really do have to go flying - off for another hop to the sand pit, see you all next week!
TSM