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Jointery is all about the RAF doing your job for you. FACT
I have never seen a dumb-F**K Squaddie let loose fixing multi-million pound aircraft so where is the JOINTERY pay back?
I have an idea. We can all bring something too this forum, why don't you clowns work go dig a hole and add SILENCE.
You do the BASIC neanderthol fighting stuff (for which you may have to run around a little), we'll maintain Technologically advanced machines (for which we don't have to run much, but use our core skill- BRAINS).
FTP
I have never seen a dumb-F**K Squaddie let loose fixing multi-million pound aircraft so where is the JOINTERY pay back?
I have an idea. We can all bring something too this forum, why don't you clowns work go dig a hole and add SILENCE.
You do the BASIC neanderthol fighting stuff (for which you may have to run around a little), we'll maintain Technologically advanced machines (for which we don't have to run much, but use our core skill- BRAINS).
FTP
With a reply like that, you'd barely make the grade for the Pioneer Corps.
I take it you are fat and break into a sweat at the thought of walking across the hangar?
You might find that the non-RAF blokes posting on here are either RM, RN or Army pilots or technicians. Stick that in your Ginsters and eat it lardy.
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A little harsh on our brown brethren I feel tonks old chap, basically illustrates the problem, we are not brown, they are not blue, and jumping up and down and demanding 'we're all infantry now' will only get backs up. when/if they can do our jobs perhaps we should consider meeting them half way?
To answer WGs question, A4 G5 Z5 undertaking business for HM, so no, no longer mil - must stop saying 'we' but after 22 years its a hard habit to break
To answer WGs question, A4 G5 Z5 undertaking business for HM, so no, no longer mil - must stop saying 'we' but after 22 years its a hard habit to break
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Quite right, SouthBound.
Fair one Maple but some members of the RAF seem to forget they are servicemen and think that screaming they will get their own way. Didn't think thats how it works in the services?
Some in the AAC are I agree. The AAC has a lot to learn about aids to retention.
The RAF may be able to lose a few pounds but judging by the comments on here, I doubt it will be with minimum fuss.
Fair one Maple but some members of the RAF seem to forget they are servicemen and think that screaming they will get their own way. Didn't think thats how it works in the services?
No Wg,
Seems to me we are all being asked to lose a few pounds, us light blue types can manage that quite easily with a few shuttle runs where as you guys are facing a major lifestyle change.................
Now just run it by me who's got it right and who's got it wrong
Seems to me we are all being asked to lose a few pounds, us light blue types can manage that quite easily with a few shuttle runs where as you guys are facing a major lifestyle change.................
Now just run it by me who's got it right and who's got it wrong
Some in the AAC are I agree. The AAC has a lot to learn about aids to retention.
The RAF may be able to lose a few pounds but judging by the comments on here, I doubt it will be with minimum fuss.
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Mine is not in the loft and my early 60's version has a XBX plan as well for the women.
Funny old thing, but 40 years ago the RCAF realised women were different.
Wonder if anyone else has noticed?
OCCWMF - I'm old enough to remember (and have a copy in the loft) of the RCAF 5BX publication:
Funny old thing, but 40 years ago the RCAF realised women were different.
Wonder if anyone else has noticed?
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Apache is just a WMIK isn't it?
But a Puma is obviously a hi tech, cutting edge piece of aviation hardware.......
Come on, do your comparisons on a level playing field!
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I have never seen a dumb-F**K Squaddie let loose fixing multi-million pound aircraft so where is the JOINTERY pay back?
I have an idea. We can all bring something too this forum, why don't you clowns work go dig a hole and add SILENCE.
(for which we don't have to run much, but use our core skill- BRAINS).
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Once again, priceless!
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well a Tornado is, as is a Typhoon, as is a C-130 etc - but hey! no need for serious proper maint, we can send all the lads off for phys instead - wg says its OK
Come on, do your comparisons on a level playing field!
Come on, do your comparisons on a level playing field!
WIG13 Dummy; As it happens I a do like a Ginsters (in preference to the Fodder given in Pack-ups mainly OOA), I am not overweight and I am medically incapable of sweating. Oh, and I have never failed an RAF FT at the current requirements. I merely do not associate why we are AGAIN having to raise our levels on the FT?
We are busy people (and I realise we are not alone). However, 99% of the RAF (excluding the medically downgraded) are quite capable of FULLY performing their respective duties. They are therefore, FIT FOR PURPOSE.
Where do you stop raising the bar too? The RM's do 28 Miles in 8 Hours or something equivacal, as a final test. Under the perscribed 'WORST CASE SITUATION', should all Military Personnel be able to do that in case they find themselves deployed with Marines?
Hell, just post an SAS PT instructor to every Service unit and encompass us all into the SF mantle.
There is often more to it than just PEd.
1. Fitness will never prevail while the messes (like the one at which I am foced to pay for) are contracted to provide 7000 calories per day.
Granted I don't eat there, you get fed up of chips, hash browns, waffles, croquettes, with pies or burgers every day, but not everyone wants to pay over £100 per month for food of that quality.
2. Apathy of PEd staff's. Working at a small unit with no PEd flight of our own, It is a 2 hour drive each way to use the RAF Gym, that means a full workking day to attend the fitness test. We have a small gym here, but the PEd staff refuse to come here to run the tests as it is not a good use of their time (although it is OK for the 40 staff here to have to spend a day out of the office to go to them)
3. Is the beep test a fair measure? I know of some people who can complete the London Marathon, yet cannot pass the test because they slow down too much on the turns.
4. The Navy are probably laughing anyway, as they have a right to 2 hours PEd per week during the working day (at least according to a big poster on a Navy base I occaisionally visit,) and who cares what the Army think, after all they weren't recruited for their intellectual capacity anyway
1. Fitness will never prevail while the messes (like the one at which I am foced to pay for) are contracted to provide 7000 calories per day.
Granted I don't eat there, you get fed up of chips, hash browns, waffles, croquettes, with pies or burgers every day, but not everyone wants to pay over £100 per month for food of that quality.
2. Apathy of PEd staff's. Working at a small unit with no PEd flight of our own, It is a 2 hour drive each way to use the RAF Gym, that means a full workking day to attend the fitness test. We have a small gym here, but the PEd staff refuse to come here to run the tests as it is not a good use of their time (although it is OK for the 40 staff here to have to spend a day out of the office to go to them)
3. Is the beep test a fair measure? I know of some people who can complete the London Marathon, yet cannot pass the test because they slow down too much on the turns.
4. The Navy are probably laughing anyway, as they have a right to 2 hours PEd per week during the working day (at least according to a big poster on a Navy base I occaisionally visit,) and who cares what the Army think, after all they weren't recruited for their intellectual capacity anyway
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Hell, just post an SAS PT instructor to every Service unit
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Seems that how the 3 times per week is implemented will be down to individual units. Some might opt for 3 formal sessions, some might opt for one formal session and two voluntary.
The latter at least has to advantage of flexibility albeit difficult to monitor except on trust. The formal session also offers advantages as the fitness test will include press ups and sit ups. Formal gymwork will ensure that these are improved gradually and avoid the overweight/back-back problems endemic in sudden semi-annual testing.
The '50-minutes' may also be flexible. One unit may opt for a 50 minute sweat session - you need 20 minutes before you enter a weigh loss regime. Another may aim to have PE down time limited to 50 min including travel, changing and showering.
I would almost guess that units without facilities would Swan it
The latter at least has to advantage of flexibility albeit difficult to monitor except on trust. The formal session also offers advantages as the fitness test will include press ups and sit ups. Formal gymwork will ensure that these are improved gradually and avoid the overweight/back-back problems endemic in sudden semi-annual testing.
The '50-minutes' may also be flexible. One unit may opt for a 50 minute sweat session - you need 20 minutes before you enter a weigh loss regime. Another may aim to have PE down time limited to 50 min including travel, changing and showering.
I would almost guess that units without facilities would Swan it
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No worries, just tell us which airframe you don't want tomorrow for CAS/transport etc, oh hang-on, silly me, I expect a bit of a private life, should have know we'd all transfered to the inf
Lets face it, our levels aren't exactly hard. Just look at the requirement by comparison:
Army Aged 29 or under:
Male MSFT level 10.2, 44 Press ups, 50 sit ups
Female MSFT level 8.1, 21 Press ups, 50 sit ups
Navy Aged 29 or under:
Male MSFT level 9.03
Female MSFT level 6.07
RAF Aged 29 or under:
Male MSFT level 9.10, some press ups and sit ups
Female MSFT level 7.02, some press ups and sit ups
I wouldn't be suprised if the Navy requirement goes up soon.
Techies usually manage a quick 'break' of 10 mins, whilst drinking coffee and filling in paperwork, which is not quite enough time to run down the gym and back.
Depending where you are in the techie food chain, others have to work harder to cover those on leave, or you find yourself catching up when you get back, because there is no-one else available to do your job.
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The answer for a lot of units is YES, ask how much leave is being carried forward, and why!
Techies usually manage a quick 'break' of 10 mins, whilst drinking coffee and filling in paperwork, which is not quite enough time to run down the gym and back.
Depending where you are in the techie food chain,
Techies usually manage a quick 'break' of 10 mins, whilst drinking coffee and filling in paperwork, which is not quite enough time to run down the gym and back.
Depending where you are in the techie food chain,
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The answer for a lot of units is YES, ask how much leave is being carried forward, and why!
Techies usually manage a quick 'break' of 10 mins, whilst drinking coffee and filling in paperwork, which is not quite enough time to run down the gym and back.
Depending where you are in the techie food chain,
Techies usually manage a quick 'break' of 10 mins, whilst drinking coffee and filling in paperwork, which is not quite enough time to run down the gym and back.
Depending where you are in the techie food chain,
Having said that, studies have shown that people who take regular exercise and generally healthing in body and mind and able to cope with stress etc so there might not be any change in output as people wrok better?
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I hope the RAF do bring in this new reigime and stick to their guns about sacking fatties.
Just another reason to dispand the crabs.
'Utterly, utterly useless'.
You lot would whine at anything that made you work out of your comfort zone. The rest of the Armed Forces call those types civvies.
Just another reason to dispand the crabs.
'Utterly, utterly useless'.
You lot would whine at anything that made you work out of your comfort zone. The rest of the Armed Forces call those types civvies.
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Wg,
As I previously briefed fella visit here if you want to see some real whining and bleating................bunch of girls and not one of them prepared to stand up and be counted..........waste of bandwidth and should be pulled immediately
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=267172
As I previously briefed fella visit here if you want to see some real whining and bleating................bunch of girls and not one of them prepared to stand up and be counted..........waste of bandwidth and should be pulled immediately
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=267172