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Old 11th Jan 2007, 20:16
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Aaand breath.

It's not the end of the world. No major threads have gone. And we are all happy that ABIW has manageable LFTs !

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Old 11th Jan 2007, 20:25
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I am a little confused. As this thread has absolutely no relevance to the "military aircrew" ethos why is it not closed
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 20:38
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For those who have chucked the Teddies out of the cot, assuming they are still lurking (or have re-registered under another name ... ) you may wish to try here, here, here, here or here. Not forgetting our green brothers here or indeed our dark blue friends here (although I'm not sure how much longer this last one has before it needs to go into the Historical section! . I'm sure they would all welcome your inputs.

Of course, you could always swallow your pride, accept the rules of the owners of the forum/site, stop acting like Premiership footballers who have been told they've got to sell their Range Rovers / Baby Bentleys etc and keep contributing here!

Just a thought. There's been some good stuff in this forum. Obviously some real tosh as well. Perhaps we should start again, vote on the threads we want to keep and ditch the rest. Personally, I would like to see some form of formal moderation and perhaps a restricted access side to the Military forum (although I know we have been round these buoys several times before and have decided against it).

Bottom line, and has been said many times before. Like the RAF, if you don't like the way its being run vote with your feet. At least you won't lose your flying pay / pension by leaving PPRuNe!
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 20:45
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This is possibly the most entertaining thread I've ever read on PPRuNe.
Rob, you are a star.
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 21:08
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Moderation here is fine.
Some people need to learn a lttle a little restecp for the board owners.

Can't believe the childish behaviour of the whiners.
Like spoilt 3 yr olds.
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 21:33
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If you think the moderation on this website is tough, you should see what it is like here

Watch out for The Gannet, he doesn't like non Trident lovers.
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 21:42
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The Vulcan thread alone deserves a

Who says civvies can't banter! Fog again toaday at Heathrow?

But who is paying for it. Does this mean we can lock this thread and get back to routine business?
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 22:11
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Originally Posted by PPRuNe Towers View Post
Tigs,
We don't give a stuff regarding advertisers. No sales people - none. We got suckered into that sales thing a couple of years ago and ended up with the site being run to pay the sales people. I've very glad to say we fired them a year ago. Advertisers now come to us under our terms. No pay by the click. No forum targeting. No one on commission. We set a price - they pay it or the ad doesn't appear. Just in case you can't read between the lines we don't like ads - they are a pain in the arse. Get the site back down to 10,000 users and we can do without ads like we used to.
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Hmm. Something I should have picked up on last night.

If what you say above is true, i.e. you don't give a stuff about advertisers, why is it that there are several house advertisements (i.e. PPRuNe ads inviting people to advertise, and extolling the benefits of advertising on PPRuNe) currently running on the site?

E.g. http://www.pprune.org/advert.php

Just asking out of idle curiosity like
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 22:13
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'Tis not so much the moderation itself that has been objected to, but the manner in which perfectly reasonable questions, posed by some posters, have been responded to. Yes, this board DOES belong to Danny, and he, through his appointed moderators, may run it as he sees fit - I don't think anybody is trying to deny that.

Many here are also starting to suspect what Rob's motives may be for (a) removing certain posts, and (b) the tirade of abuse that has followed what, IMHO, was a legitimate enquiry as to the reason for (a).
Comments such as:
Pontificating post pubescent politicos who'd argue with their own toenails. The Google gobshites and the 'I could have been a policy wonksters'.
...are clearly abusive and, coupled with the (not even disguised) use of profane language, clearly violate the rules of posting on these forums that Danny and his moderators have promulgated and seek to enforce. How can you expect forum users to abide by the rules you set when you do not yourself?

PPRuNe may well be
As of this week the 12th busiest bulletin board in the world
...but much of that is down to the users of THIS forum - aside from JetBlast, Mil is your biggest forum by a considerable margin, not just in terms of post numbers, but in terms of numbers of members / guests reading it. Perhaps that is the REAL reson for the cull - getting 'too big for our boots'? If the story about server space / capacity overloading, requiring some pruning, is true, then perhaps JetBlast wouldn't be a bad place to start? Almost THREE TIMES the number of posts in there as in here, and a great majority of it genuinely IS irrelevant twaddle, generated largely by a relatively small number of very active posters, that has nothing to do with aviation. Trying instead to reduce the scope of the Mil forum will only leave PPRuNe a poorer place, IMHO - this forum has been so successful precisely because it gives us Mil types, and those with an interest in Mil aviation, the opportunity to discuss issues that ARE relevant to US. Take that away, and you will be cutting off your nose to spite your face. A very large proportion of your traffic, and the subsequent ad revenue, is down to the users of this forum.

But, as has already been stated, this is YOUR site. You may remove, lock, delete or moderate as you see fit. With that in mind, may I make 3 requests?

1. If you decide to remove / lock a post / topic, can you at least be clear and honest about your reasons why? If it is simply because a topic or poster has pissed you off, then say so.

2. If so many posters are transgressing the rules of a specific forum, then it may be the case that those rules are not as clear as they should be. It would be in everybody's interests if it were clearly stated just what IS and ISN'T acceptable in the Mil forum. If you wish to impose rules in THIS forum that differ to those of the other forums, it would be helpful to us all if they were sticky'd at the forum head. We can then have the opportunity to review these rules and choose to go elsewhere if we disagree, rather than waste YOUR time arguing it out in threads such as this one.

3. Everyone accepts that you may do as you wish here. However, we, almost without exception, would not take an arrogant, high-handed tone with the moderators, or hurl childish abuse at them. I would request that you do us, your users, the same courtesy.
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 22:49
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Been laughing about this one for a while..........then interest rates went up again and spoilt what has been a most entertaining days reading.

Their trainset, so wait 'till the world goes by, and grab on.

More mil aviation threads plse......and no more dross.
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 22:52
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Been laughing about this one for a while..........then interest rates went up again and spoilt what has been a most entertaining days reading.

Their trainset, so wait 'till the world goes by, and grab on.

More mil aviation threads plse......and no more dross.
I am still laughing as I have a fixed rate mortgage.
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 23:06
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it just gets better

this could be a watershed.

rob, while you're at it, would you please PLEASE edit over-use of
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 23:09
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Also the overuse of CAPS LOCK.
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 23:13
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My sides are aching! I don't have a mortgage.
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 23:23
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You wouldn't have a mortgage on your housing association pad......
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 23:27
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Ratfink:

B'stard!

Oooops, thread creep........
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 23:29
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Ratty fair cop but in fairness I used the shift key.

I have a savings account
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Old 11th Jan 2007, 23:45
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I wouldn't dream of selling my house to any Association. It's mine, I tell you; mine!

Correcting Thread drift; now, now, now.
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Old 12th Jan 2007, 01:44
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Oh dear, it seems the message is not getting through to the hard of reading.
Exactly! Scroggs, Danny and Rob read the following again....

If you want to change direction, it would be nice to be told. Speak to your users. Be civil with them. Treat them as adults. We'll do whatever you want probably! We'll understand! Tell us, what exactly is the problem? What is the difference between what YOU want, and what WE seem to want? What would we need to do to help you get what WE ALL want? A moderator? Some forum rules? Help us out here! In words of 1 syllable! Help us understand!
I appreciate the Mod/Owners view, but that doesn't stop Rob coming across as an arrogant sod in the way he has sold it.
....and a quote from Rob

Danny and I are a disrespectful, rude pair of tossers
I guess that comment is typical of the chav attitude to IT. Hate to see what your CRM skills are
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Old 12th Jan 2007, 02:08
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Just please don't bin the use of ".....................(bold print)" or I am in trouble as my use of grammar and proper sentence construction failed Miss Hazel's best efforts to correct my shortcomings.
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