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Old 10th Jan 2007, 19:21
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nice one!

30 minutes and Cooouuunting!

(to be read in a really bad James Bondish movie Russian accent)

29 minutes and Cooouuunting!
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 19:22
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Gobsmacked...
Just want to thank all the contributors to the Herc thread. Over 100,000 hits. At its peak when I was talking to journos, they already knew the story cos they had read it here first. An amazingly useful tool, carefully moderated by the likes of Scroggs. When I met AOC 2Gp, he had pages of the thread copied and he quoted me back from what I had written here. Rob, I suggest you sleep on it and see how you feel tomorrow.
Cheers,
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 19:24
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Rob,
For the sake of all concerned I hope your Ill considered response to our reasoned requests does not result in a loss of revenue to Prune. Somehow your attitude reminds me of Day and Wratten.........they thought they owned the train set as well, and whilst you may, the bad taste remains in the throat.
Scroggs,
Give the boy some lessons.
 
Old 10th Jan 2007, 19:33
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18 minutes and coooounting
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 19:35
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Originally Posted by Always_broken_in_wilts View Post
18 minutes and coooounting
Oh thanks, It's nice to see the countdown to being banned so publicly highlighted
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 19:39
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Sorry would of posted a bit earlier but I was busy reading all the ad's, I wonder if there is much money coming in from them
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 19:40
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17 Minutes and cooouunting!
Now if PPRuNe still had the facility to do polls (that was really good that was!) we could have a poll on should CS stay
CS think you could get an overwhelming yes actually.
16 minu........................................


ABIW
There definitly is, but no one gives a s**t! maybe if they dont want it, they could give it to us, no me!
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 19:44
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Tigs you always were a greedy barsteward, wot about 60/40?
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 19:48
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[QUOTE=Tigs2;3061448]17 Minutes and cooouunting!
Now if PPRuNe still had the facility to do polls (that was really good that was!) we could have a poll on should CS stay
CS think you could get an overwhelming yes actually.
16 minu........................................
QUOTE]

Depends if you factor in that I gave Danny the correct home address for one N. Robertson, at which he was subsequently arrested (for those of you with long memories)
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 19:49
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Short memory, please embelish your last post
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 19:49
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Need to include CS mate so 30/30/30 and 10% to the 'global campaign for Free Speech'
Amazing update. I just see i have now become a Probationary PPRuNEr dating back at least a year, cant be bothered to go back further. I Knew i shouldnt have mentioned Free Speech

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Old 10th Jan 2007, 20:05
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it's unlikely that Mil Aircrew is at any risk!
Beg to differ, Scroggs me old! If Rob continues to display such breathtaking arrogance as seen here, I suspect there will be ALOT of Mil PPRuNers taking their online interests elsewhere - time for a dedicated "MilPRuNe" site anyone?

International politics is a subject that is inextricably intertwined with what we do in the Military, hence it will always end up being discussed here - something I'm geniunely surprised that Rob does not recognise.

I appreciate fully the issues you guys have with server capacity, and we ALL appreciate the unpaid time you guys put into running this site, but the rather childish "Let Them Eat Cake" rant from a senior moderator (who wouldn't hesitate to remove another member's post for displaying similar attitudes) doesn't serve anybody's purposes. Yes, it IS your train set - but taking it home in a huff so no-one else can play is not the kind of attitude one would expect from an 'aviation professional'.

Rob, as Nige has already said, I strongly suggest you sleep on it and consider carefully what you have said here.
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 20:33
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Of course the laughable thing about this whole sorry debate is that this site is named after a fictional military pilot.
This being the case shouldn't the civvies be jumping through hoops to keep us service types happy?
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 22:01
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I fully support the view of the owners and providers of the website. I have also personally fallen foul of the moderator and had stuff deleted in toto without so much as a "how'syerfather" from time to time, but hey, it's not the end of the world, just a bend in the ego here and there.
The site was originally started as a bulletin board by DF as a hobby, about twelve years ago, using only his PC, IIRC. Each day, the "post" was sent to members as a collective email message, there were only about sixty or seventy of us when I first joined in 1995.
There were no thread groupings, it was all lumped in together. It grew like Topsy and things went from strength to strength, taking up a huge amount of Danny's time. Due to his other "day job" commitments, we didn't always get our daily fix of emails (Danny was down route).
Danny eventually came to us cap in hand and asked for voluntary contributions to go towards buying a proper server and software for a proper website front end; many of us did so (I couldn't read all the rapidly growing number of emails anyway) and I must have been fairly close to the front of the queue. Members were asked to become moderators around this time. I was asked twice to moderate one particular forum, but each time I have politely declined; I didn't want the responsibility. I fully support those that DO moderate; it's their show.
In those days Danny occasionally posted to ask us to review our threads to cut down on site clutter. As this was the way I was brought up, I still do delete my old threads on occasions when I think they have served their purpose for whatever reason, rather than letting them lie on the server as excess baggage. I have been taken to task on this a couple of times by members who joined later and were not aware of the history of the website, but that's just the way things are. I received a pm from someone who obviously saw a large number of replies to a thread as a personal "badge of honour" as he was horrified that I could delete my own thread with such a large number of replies. I come here to learn a little (and hopefully give a little where I can), to exchange ideas, to entertain and to enjoy.
Despite having paid a little cash, I'm only here at the leave and license of the owner of the site. If I overstep the mark, I expect to take the rap. If Danny or one of his moderators decides to pull the plug on something I begin, so be it, I'm playing fotball in their garden. If I break a window, I'm out. No questions, no backchat - Endex.
Those who haven't even paid to go through the gate and yet expect reserved space for their personal soapbox can expect no sympathy.
Do bear in mind that this is now certainly one of, if not THE the premier aviation website in the world. If an individual doesn't wish to be a part of it, it's a free world to set up an alternative website, so "Bye"!
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 22:07
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Originally Posted by Always_broken_in_wilts View Post
Scroggs,
Thanks for the balanced and very polite response to this thorny issue. I fully agree with you when you say trimming archives etc will free up server space but what we have seen lately is the unannounced closing of some of the liveliest threads that are voicing opinions that are completely in place within this aircrew forum.
I notice there are still 3 pages on the Mil Aircrew forum so maybe some of the old stuff should be removed/culled before the newer stuff which would help alleviate the suspicions that it's plain old censorship at work here........just my humble thoughts.
I've not been following the threads you refer to, but it's been noticeable that this forum has rather too often been straying from its remit of Military Aviation. Discussions of non-aviation topics will generally not be appropriate here, however interesting they may be - even if they are of direct military relevance. Many topics in here are no such thing, and are thus prime targets for pruning (sorry!).

would it help alleviate some of the server issues if the site could only be perused by registered users, rather than currently, capacity being taken up by unregistered users. Some other web forums use this system.
I'm not sure how much load the non-registered users cause to the system, but I think they rarely make up more than a third of the total. I'm pretty sure they can't use any of the stuff that loads the server severely - search and so on. In any case, if the place was only readable by registered users (and I'm not sure that's possible), we'd never get any new blood in.

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Old 10th Jan 2007, 22:13
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I've not been following the threads you refer to, but it's been noticeable that this forum has rather too often been straying from its remit of Military Aviation.
Would that include the threads such as the Netjets and British Airways thread currently on the Military Forum?
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 23:11
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Scroggs, it seems that you're joining your co-mod Rob and losing the plot.
we'd never get any new blood in.
I thought that that was what Rob was advocating.
Get the site back down to 10,000 users
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As for your interpretation as to what is an acceptable mil aviation topic you might just as well put a warning at the top of the page saying that all topics are subject to "our" approval and censorship. This, of course, is your perogative and indeed is how the system works, but please don't try to justify why some subject matter is OK , other is not. It comes over as sanctomonious claptrap.
It's all a shame... it's been fun, but I guess you've just grown too big.
 
Old 10th Jan 2007, 23:14
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Cargo sales and the other err, commercially minded experts.

We've run the site in our way for over 10 years now. First time you lot on Mil have been publicly coshed but it's happened many times over the years as those who inhabit other parts of the site will confirm.

It is our choice what appears on any given part of the site. We will be condemed to hell for cocking it up but it is our choice.

This is insane, it is outrageous and it is arrogant. Obviously the site will collapse in on itself with such arrant, wilful behaviour. We don't moderate, we close and delete. We don't soften the blow with 'love you long time' notes. We simply wade in. Editors not moderators.

For the last few weeks we've had a little coterie of pundits who had their arses kicked over on Jetblast since last February playing games here. The once in a blue moon non mil political thread got turned into having 2 or 3 running at any one time. A few other potherbs who love the sound of their own keyboards think it's good sport as well.

Some of you, apparently with goldfish memories, think this is SOP. It ain't - the search engine and archive.org is your friend and you can check for yourselves. The constant charity appeals are binned, blocked or barred as are the non mil aviation threads. Especially the non mil diatribes.

Aviation website, mil aviation forum. Does what it say on the tin. Danny and I are a disrespectful, rude pair of tossers and because of that the site is a deserted wasteland. As of this week the 12th busiest bulletin board in the world. 49,000 unique users in a single day and we say bollocks to the experts and the professionals who have and still do tell us how a website should be run. We run the site with chewing gum and string from a series of hotel rooms around the world. No offices. No company cars. No suits. We don't play kissy kissy with the users and we don't have any truck with so called professionals in the industry.

So let's say it loud and proud. If you are doing a charity run fantastic but this is an aviation forum. If you want to discuss middle eastern power politics from a herring's point of view go elsewhere. If you fancy yourself as a political satirist regarding the governments warm and helpful interest in the armed services fill your boots.

Here's a final clue. Aeroplanes and the politics of aeroplanes good. We like that we do.

Rob
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Old 10th Jan 2007, 23:22
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Danny and I are a disrespectful, rude pair of tossers
I've met Danny a couple of times and I wouldn't have described him in those terms! But perhaps, you know him better!

However, it's true that some fora have been closed over the years; Question Time and Agony Aunt to name two. We get over it and it's no big deal in the end.

Rob, most of us here are prepared to abide by any house rules but, like unruly schoolboys, we need to have those rules clarified otherwise we cannot learn.

Cheers

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Old 10th Jan 2007, 23:26
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Interesting to note that almost without exception, the complainers here haven't been willing to put their hand in their pockets....
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