Nimrod crash in Afghanistan Tech/Info/Discussion (NOT condolences)
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Er no actually we don't as our knowledge of known reportage gives us a healthy mistrust of both media and politicians.
<<because you understand the subject being talked about.>> And distrust news where we don't.
<<because most people in this country believe everything they are told>> This, OTOH may be truer.
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Parachutes on Military Aircraft
"Doors open inward. No chutes. You would need a shute like the KC135/E3 otherwise the wing, engines and tail rather get in the way."
Pontius,
Please forgive me, as I am not having a go, merely pointing out a technicality for the benefit of accuracy.
The E3 does have a shoot, however on the RAF version this has been locked up ( or so I am reliably informed ).
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Pontius,
Please forgive me, as I am not having a go, merely pointing out a technicality for the benefit of accuracy.
The E3 does have a shoot, however on the RAF version this has been locked up ( or so I am reliably informed ).
Clear Right, Pressures Good!
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[QUOTE=Clear Right,Px Good!;2822446]"Doors open inward. No chutes. You would need a shute like the KC135/E3 otherwise the wing, engines and tail rather get in the way."
Er I think I said that. Sorry for mis-spelling CHUTE.
It is probably as well the chute escape on the E3D is locked as they do not carry parachutes.
Er I think I said that. Sorry for mis-spelling CHUTE.
It is probably as well the chute escape on the E3D is locked as they do not carry parachutes.
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Well, the media circus (or vultures, whatever) are slowly dwindling away from the ISK main gate.
On a technical note, the problem that caused 666 to ditch in '95 was fixed shortly after the incident, the other crashes were birdstrike (1980) and pilot error (1995). The St Mawgan incident mentioned earlier in this thread made it back to the runway, as I believe.
I can't imagine what the guys at their operating base are feeling right now.....
On a technical note, the problem that caused 666 to ditch in '95 was fixed shortly after the incident, the other crashes were birdstrike (1980) and pilot error (1995). The St Mawgan incident mentioned earlier in this thread made it back to the runway, as I believe.
I can't imagine what the guys at their operating base are feeling right now.....
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Now that the list of names has been released the pundits will be able to write a few more paper-selling pages in their quest for the truth.
Sorry, I meant sales. Let's not feed them any lines.
Sorry, I meant sales. Let's not feed them any lines.
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Green Granite wrote: "had the MOD told the media that it was a Nimrod aircraft and then asked the media not to release that info until the next of kin had been informed, then the media would not have needed to speculate and would have just quoted the request."
No, the media would have immediately reported everything the MOD told them (claiming afterwords that "If we hadn't someone else would have") and then started asking "what are they trying to hide by asking us to withhold this info"!!!!!!!!!!!
No, the media would have immediately reported everything the MOD told them (claiming afterwords that "If we hadn't someone else would have") and then started asking "what are they trying to hide by asking us to withhold this info"!!!!!!!!!!!
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Emergency Diversion
According to one BBC report the aircraft was operating from Oman and at high level when the pilot made an emergency transmission. Another report quoted a local tribal chief that flares were being fired shortly before the accident. Mr Browne says it was a technical cause. The Taliban claim to have shot it down. Was the aircraft on emergency diversion to Kandahar following technical problems - if so did it have MWS, DAS and CMDS fitted? It is easy to generate a scenario where all the reports (other than the despicable inaccurate quoting of aircraft type) are correct! Speculation, including mine, is not good for anyone so let us hope that MOD comes up with a satisfactory explanation as quickly as possible - we are after all still waiting for the Hercules story!
Wrong thread, but my deepest condolences to all the families including the non-RAF members of the crew.
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Wrong thread, but my deepest condolences to all the families including the non-RAF members of the crew.
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Your FoI request possibly falls under the scope of journalism so they might not be able to disclose any documents to you.
You might like to try contacting the BBC Editors' Blog (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/) which lets you comment on current stories and reporting styles, and perhaps allows for some response. Many of the editors often write some pretty insightful commentaries revealing decisions that go on behind-the-scenes.
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Watched the Press Conference on the BBC website. My god, what the temptation to tell the journos to p*ss off with their ignorant questions must have been! Couldn't take the hint when the Staish said he wasn't going to talk about ops could they.
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What is also slightly worrying is that we've noted all the complete b!"£$%ks that's been written about this.
So, presumably what hese worms and their colleagues write on all sorts of topics is equally accurate...?
So, presumably what hese worms and their colleagues write on all sorts of topics is equally accurate...?
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No, the media would have immediately reported everything the MOD told them (claiming afterwords that "If we hadn't someone else would have") and then started asking "what are they trying to hide by asking us to withhold this info"!!!!!!!!!!!
Possible Cause
Possible theory based on some information, is that the aircraft developed a fire shortly after AAR, then diverted to Kandahar, crashing 15 miles from it. again, only speculation based on a few things I've heard from various people.
Either way, it has to something major due to the aircraft's incredible redundancy.
on the topic of other crashes, XV231 had a controlled landing at St MOrgan when one main U/C failed to lock down. Leg collapsed on landing, but aircraft repaired and still dlying today, albeit with a note in the book that the leg in question doesn't completely fit right.
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Either way, it has to something major due to the aircraft's incredible redundancy.
on the topic of other crashes, XV231 had a controlled landing at St MOrgan when one main U/C failed to lock down. Leg collapsed on landing, but aircraft repaired and still dlying today, albeit with a note in the book that the leg in question doesn't completely fit right.
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There was something of a frenzy about the scramble for information yesterday. When the dust has settled a little after this terrible event the media will still have a very useful role to play. It is important that the Govt comes under scrutiny for the war in Afghanistan. Because it is a war, it is being reported that RoE have just changed. When the deployment was first presented to Parliament one of the roles for British troops was defensive counter insurgency. It was clearly stated that our troops would not be involved in offensive ops. Well the Op in which this brave crew were involved in was most definitely offensive in nature. Furthermore there has been a significant increase in poppy production in Afg. Has the Govt now reined back from overseeing crop eradication? If so, what the hell is this Operation all about? Neither the press nor the MoD have handled the intial reporting of this tragedy in a satisfactory manner. But it should be noted that the free press in the UK have been more impressive challenging Govt policy than the official opposition.
The MoD should immediately clear up the circumstances of this tragedy. We have all had enough spin to last a lifetime, furnish us with facts otherwise further speculation about this accident will be difficult to prevent.
The MoD should immediately clear up the circumstances of this tragedy. We have all had enough spin to last a lifetime, furnish us with facts otherwise further speculation about this accident will be difficult to prevent.
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Sky news - contradiction in terms rather like British Intelligence, are reporting tonight that the whole Nimrod Fleet is grounded TFN. Does any one know if this is true or have they made it up?
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