Nimrod crash in Afghanistan Tech/Info/Discussion (NOT condolences)
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Complain to Sky also.
I was listening to Sky earler on today, when a 'Defence Expert' said 'of course it is possible it could be a Lynx like the one that crashed earlier in the year etc etc' . Am i missing something? A defence expert, Lynx, 14 people?? So there was another lot of families put through the wringer. The news channels really call in some toss**s. (Sky also mentioned the Herc, Chinook options)
Complain to Sky also.
I was listening to Sky earler on today, when a 'Defence Expert' said 'of course it is possible it could be a Lynx like the one that crashed earlier in the year etc etc' . Am i missing something? A defence expert, Lynx, 14 people?? So there was another lot of families put through the wringer. The news channels really call in some toss**s. (Sky also mentioned the Herc, Chinook options)
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I imagine, but don't know for sure, that Nimrod also has versions in electronic intel gathering service.
I can also imagine that IF a stinger hit the engines, the way they are within the wing, might have had a huge impact on everything.
Unlike pod mounted engines. (This is NOT to be thought of as a slight on this design.)
I can also imagine that IF a stinger hit the engines, the way they are within the wing, might have had a huge impact on everything.
Unlike pod mounted engines. (This is NOT to be thought of as a slight on this design.)
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But H-S, that's my point. This stuff will get back to Blighty a damn sight faster than the glacial like response of the MoD, so get the relevant information out before the news Johnnie’s start their rampant speculation, which they will anyway. Not being as responsive as the news organizations is simply unacceptable. The old arguments about infonok needing to be accurate are specious when some leech of a newshound is already at the front door asking their usual battery of sensitive questions.
Last year when I was out in Iraq the theatre was without contact to the UK for 6 days because the family of a killed solider where away on holiday and uncontactable and even though some folk moaned most understood why the procedures where in place.
Its about time either the embedded media were censored more throughly or altogether made non-embedded. They have the luxury of protection from many bad people who wouldn't care if they are press or not and would kill/kidnap them all the same, perhaps they should remember their privileged position.
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So typical of todays media circus. Are there no real journalists/correspondents who report witrh care and compassion left. Typical sensationalism regardless of who it hurts. Scum all of them!!
As for the so called experts and retired military types - they are beyond contempt.
As for the so called experts and retired military types - they are beyond contempt.
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BBC?
The ones that we on the Ark Royal switched off during GW'03 in preference for SkyTV following their biased reporting, outright lies and inability to roll out a defence specialist who could differentiate between an Aircraft Carrier and Type 42, and which was reported gleefully in the UK by rival media outlets. We were ordered to retune the receiver to BBC.
We also had the most jumped up piece of reporter scum on board who was seen, twice, in tears/foot stamping tantrums because he wasn't being taken seriously enough (as an ex-CBBC man....Matthew Price, what a cock!).
It's the media, do we expect anything else? If you want a more balanced view, use Fox TV!
The ones that we on the Ark Royal switched off during GW'03 in preference for SkyTV following their biased reporting, outright lies and inability to roll out a defence specialist who could differentiate between an Aircraft Carrier and Type 42, and which was reported gleefully in the UK by rival media outlets. We were ordered to retune the receiver to BBC.
We also had the most jumped up piece of reporter scum on board who was seen, twice, in tears/foot stamping tantrums because he wasn't being taken seriously enough (as an ex-CBBC man....Matthew Price, what a cock!).
It's the media, do we expect anything else? If you want a more balanced view, use Fox TV!
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Complaint lodged.
Did you read the abhorrent comments by Simon Petrovich from Cambridge.
See here:
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thre...610&#paginator
Did you read the abhorrent comments by Simon Petrovich from Cambridge.
See here:
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thre...610&#paginator
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To BBC Complaints
Sir,
HM Armed Forces today suffered a devastating loss of life when an RAF Nimrod crashed in Afghanistan with the loss of 14 personnel. This is a difficult and upsetting time for any of us who have friends, family or colleagues serving with NATO in Afghanistan.
Your news outlets compounded that upset by recklessly speculating on which aircraft type might have crashed, going so far as to claim "reliable sources" had told you it was a Chinook, then a Hercules. Familes with personnel serving on both of those types will have been put through hell. As a reputable public-funded news organisation you have a responsibility to your audience; although speculation may be appropriate in some stories, it is plainly insensitive that you failed to wait for confirmation of the aircraft type. By this action you have brought misery and fear to hundreds of people who, it turns out, have not lost their loved ones at all.
It sickens me that the BBC has cheapened itself by confusing speculation with news. It is poor journalism and, worse, it has probably caused considerable distress to many people in the UK. I strongly urge you to make a public apology to those who have been upset by what amounts to idle rumour-mongering, or at least to acknowledge the fact that many of your viewers have been shocked by this outrageous performance.
Sincerely,
tablet_eraser
HM Armed Forces today suffered a devastating loss of life when an RAF Nimrod crashed in Afghanistan with the loss of 14 personnel. This is a difficult and upsetting time for any of us who have friends, family or colleagues serving with NATO in Afghanistan.
Your news outlets compounded that upset by recklessly speculating on which aircraft type might have crashed, going so far as to claim "reliable sources" had told you it was a Chinook, then a Hercules. Familes with personnel serving on both of those types will have been put through hell. As a reputable public-funded news organisation you have a responsibility to your audience; although speculation may be appropriate in some stories, it is plainly insensitive that you failed to wait for confirmation of the aircraft type. By this action you have brought misery and fear to hundreds of people who, it turns out, have not lost their loved ones at all.
It sickens me that the BBC has cheapened itself by confusing speculation with news. It is poor journalism and, worse, it has probably caused considerable distress to many people in the UK. I strongly urge you to make a public apology to those who have been upset by what amounts to idle rumour-mongering, or at least to acknowledge the fact that many of your viewers have been shocked by this outrageous performance.
Sincerely,
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Complaint logged, I just really wish that it would make a difference. The media giant that the BBC is becoming (become??) seems to have lost all respect for the values that I SHOULD associate with Auntie... Honest and integrity are no longer even on the radar.
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The BBC coverage and support for our troops has been awful. Natasha Kaplinski or whatever she is called, was incredibly biased during the last gulf war. However, on this occasion I go against the grain and put PART of the blame on the MOD. We all know that journos will speculate like this, putting families through hell. But on this occasion, the MOD put families through hell by delaying naming the type. Every family of every aircrew member would have been going out of their minds with worry. By holding back, SOMETIMES makes it as bad as speculation. If you dont want this to happen, then dont embed journos with our troops. If they had to look after themselves, they would face the wrath of the enemy and maybe back away a little. If things go public and speculation starts, maybe we should just front the information. Many odiham and lyneham families might have had a less stressful day, waiting for a knock at the door. Dont get me wrong, I hate them with a passion, real hate, but we know what they are like and should be prepared for this behaviour. Sorry if I upset people, but democracy and all that.....
I must confess to feeling severe anguish for all those involved and my heart felt sympathies go out to all involved in this difficult time.
I also understand that the BBC/ Sky et al should not speculate and cause un-necessary angst for other RAF communities by alluding to un-known facts.
I can however see from the MoD point of view, that the naming on a/c type straight away, could have untold SY implications by alerting all and sundry to the crash site of a sensitive asset.
This still does not excuse the Media for speculating , but, as has been said before, we must not appear hypocritical by slating the very organizations that alerted us to the terrible news in the first place.
Secondly, remember the Op focus and the need for a certain amount of secrecy in the first instant?
I also understand that the BBC/ Sky et al should not speculate and cause un-necessary angst for other RAF communities by alluding to un-known facts.
I can however see from the MoD point of view, that the naming on a/c type straight away, could have untold SY implications by alerting all and sundry to the crash site of a sensitive asset.
This still does not excuse the Media for speculating , but, as has been said before, we must not appear hypocritical by slating the very organizations that alerted us to the terrible news in the first place.
Secondly, remember the Op focus and the need for a certain amount of secrecy in the first instant?
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I just wanted to say that I'm glad people are complaining to the BBC and other broadcasters on their reporting of this tragic accident, specifically regarding the unwarranted and insensitive speculation on the a/c type.
Speaking as someone who has bitten through 10 nails whilst waiting to hear if it was a Chinook or not I can only wish that I could be face to face to the person that first propounded this theory as I would like them to see just what terrible anxiety and stress this can cause.
My heart goes out to the families that are grieving tonight, and it's with mixed feelings that I count my blessings that I'm not one of them.
RIP all those brave servicemen, and sincere condolences to their families, friends and colleagues.
LDaS
Speaking as someone who has bitten through 10 nails whilst waiting to hear if it was a Chinook or not I can only wish that I could be face to face to the person that first propounded this theory as I would like them to see just what terrible anxiety and stress this can cause.
My heart goes out to the families that are grieving tonight, and it's with mixed feelings that I count my blessings that I'm not one of them.
RIP all those brave servicemen, and sincere condolences to their families, friends and colleagues.
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I've added my complaint- if we all take a few moments to do it, maybe we can stop all of the undue heartache that must have been going on needlessly in the Herc and Chinny worlds.
My deepest condolences to the families involved. I hope that there is no booze left in the ISK bar this evening. Please raise one to them all- heroes to the end.
Mr and Mrs SMT.
My deepest condolences to the families involved. I hope that there is no booze left in the ISK bar this evening. Please raise one to them all- heroes to the end.
Mr and Mrs SMT.
Added my complaint too.
Bl**dy journos, they just don't care. Ruin some lives and then hop onto the next scoop.
They are as contemtable as politicians, I just wish I knew which was the lowest!
Doc C
Bl**dy journos, they just don't care. Ruin some lives and then hop onto the next scoop.
They are as contemtable as politicians, I just wish I knew which was the lowest!
Doc C
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I got off the phone to another brother of mine about an hour ago and luckily for us my half-brother was not flying tonight. Of course he knew all 12 RAF crewmembers and is in a pretty bad way at the mo, as I'm sure are many at Kinloss, not least the relations of those who have died.
Apparently the RAF had called within an hour of the accident to inform them he was ok.
I shall compile my thoughts and write a complaint tomorrow.
Apparently the RAF had called within an hour of the accident to inform them he was ok.
I shall compile my thoughts and write a complaint tomorrow.