Lebanon Operations, Strikes, and Evacuation Discussions (Merged)
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Originally Posted by movadinkampa747
So do you really think the Lebanese people are really concerned witht the CPS?
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The transcript when the mic was left on.....if you weren't worried before, you should be now.
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Blair/Bush exchange: transcript
Bush: Yo, Blair. How are you doing?
Blair: I’m just...
Bush: You’re leaving?
Blair: No, no, no not yet. On this trade thingy...[INAUDIBLE]
Bush: Yeah, I told that to the man.
Blair: Are you planning to say that here or not?
Bush: If you want me to.
Blair: Well, it’s just that if the discussion arises...
Bush: I just want some movement.
Blair: Yeah.
Bush: Yesterday we didn’t see much movement.
Blair: No, no, it may be that it’s not, it may be that it’s impossible.
Bush: I am prepared to say it.
Blair: But it’s just I think what we need to be an opposition...
Bush: Who is introducing the trade?
Blair: Angela [Merkel, the German Chancellor].
Bush: Tell her to call ’em.
Blair: Yes.
Bush: Tell her to put him on, them on the spot. Thanks for [INAUDIBLE] it’s awfully thoughtful of you.
Blair: It’s a pleasure.
Bush: I know you picked it out yourself.
Blair: Oh, absolutely, in fact [INAUDIBLE].
Bush: What about Kofi? [INAUDIBLE] His attitude to ceasefire and everything else ... happens.
Blair: Yeah, no I think the [INAUDIBLE] is really difficult. We can’t stop this unless you get this international business agreed.
Bush: Yeah.
Blair: I don’t know what you guys have talked about, but as I say I am perfectly happy to try and see what the lie of the land is, but you need that done quickly because otherwise it will spiral.
Bush: I think Condi is going to go pretty soon.
Blair: But that’s, that’s, that’s all that matters. But if you... you see it will take some time to get that together.
Bush: Yeah, yeah.
Blair: But at least it gives people...
Bush: It’s a process, I agree. I told her your offer to...
Blair: Well...it’s only if I mean... you know. If she’s got a..., or if she needs the ground prepared as it were... Because obviously if she goes out, she’s got to succeed, if it were, whereas I can go out and just talk.
Bush: You see, the ... thing is what they need to do is to get Syria, to get Hezbollah to stop doing this **** and it’s over.
Blair: [INAUDIBLE]
Bush: [INADUBILE]
Blair: Syria.
Bush: Why?
Blair: Because I think this is all part of the same thing.
Bush: Yeah.
Blair: What does he think? He thinks if Lebanon turns out fine, if we get a solution in Israel and Palestine, Iraq goes in the right way...
Bush: Yeah, yeah, he is sweet.
Blair: He is honey. And that’s what the whole thing is about. It’s the same with Iraq.
Bush: I felt like telling Kofi to call, to get on the phone to Assad and make something happen.
Blair: Yeah.
Bush: [INAUDIBLE]
Blair:[INAUDIBLE]
Bush: We are not blaming the Lebanese government.
Blair: Is this...? (at this point Blair taps the microphone in front of him and the sound is cut.)
Marvel at Bush's lapdog as he does somersaults to keep his master happy.
Be astounded at the "hip" language they use.
Be horrified at the simplified view that they have of problems.
Be stunned as you realise that these people have the ability to control your destiny.
Honey?
Blair/Bush exchange: transcript
Bush: Yo, Blair. How are you doing?
Blair: I’m just...
Bush: You’re leaving?
Blair: No, no, no not yet. On this trade thingy...[INAUDIBLE]
Bush: Yeah, I told that to the man.
Blair: Are you planning to say that here or not?
Bush: If you want me to.
Blair: Well, it’s just that if the discussion arises...
Bush: I just want some movement.
Blair: Yeah.
Bush: Yesterday we didn’t see much movement.
Blair: No, no, it may be that it’s not, it may be that it’s impossible.
Bush: I am prepared to say it.
Blair: But it’s just I think what we need to be an opposition...
Bush: Who is introducing the trade?
Blair: Angela [Merkel, the German Chancellor].
Bush: Tell her to call ’em.
Blair: Yes.
Bush: Tell her to put him on, them on the spot. Thanks for [INAUDIBLE] it’s awfully thoughtful of you.
Blair: It’s a pleasure.
Bush: I know you picked it out yourself.
Blair: Oh, absolutely, in fact [INAUDIBLE].
Bush: What about Kofi? [INAUDIBLE] His attitude to ceasefire and everything else ... happens.
Blair: Yeah, no I think the [INAUDIBLE] is really difficult. We can’t stop this unless you get this international business agreed.
Bush: Yeah.
Blair: I don’t know what you guys have talked about, but as I say I am perfectly happy to try and see what the lie of the land is, but you need that done quickly because otherwise it will spiral.
Bush: I think Condi is going to go pretty soon.
Blair: But that’s, that’s, that’s all that matters. But if you... you see it will take some time to get that together.
Bush: Yeah, yeah.
Blair: But at least it gives people...
Bush: It’s a process, I agree. I told her your offer to...
Blair: Well...it’s only if I mean... you know. If she’s got a..., or if she needs the ground prepared as it were... Because obviously if she goes out, she’s got to succeed, if it were, whereas I can go out and just talk.
Bush: You see, the ... thing is what they need to do is to get Syria, to get Hezbollah to stop doing this **** and it’s over.
Blair: [INAUDIBLE]
Bush: [INADUBILE]
Blair: Syria.
Bush: Why?
Blair: Because I think this is all part of the same thing.
Bush: Yeah.
Blair: What does he think? He thinks if Lebanon turns out fine, if we get a solution in Israel and Palestine, Iraq goes in the right way...
Bush: Yeah, yeah, he is sweet.
Blair: He is honey. And that’s what the whole thing is about. It’s the same with Iraq.
Bush: I felt like telling Kofi to call, to get on the phone to Assad and make something happen.
Blair: Yeah.
Bush: [INAUDIBLE]
Blair:[INAUDIBLE]
Bush: We are not blaming the Lebanese government.
Blair: Is this...? (at this point Blair taps the microphone in front of him and the sound is cut.)
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Originally Posted by Deliverance
Pompey,
Saying the BBC is pro-Israeli is like saying Joseph Goebbels was pro UK.
Saying the BBC is pro-Israeli is like saying Joseph Goebbels was pro UK.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...174641,00.html
Joe is such a nice English name after all.....
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Originally Posted by SASless
Perhaps one should study up on the concept of "state supported terrorism" a bit before holding forth on logistical systems for Terrorists such as the Hizboes and Hamas organizations.
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Originally Posted by airborne_artist
Playing the Devil's Advicate here -
Presumeably all UK nationals in Lebanon, bar those in the FO, are there by choice (and who'd take a holiday there?) as ex-pats. They took a decision to go to a place with a very rocky past, and potentially a rocky future. They probably are not, for the present, paying Gordon.
Why then should our Service-people risk their own lives to go and bail them out of the sh!t? The RAC don't come and rescue my car just because I was a member for 20 years, but stopped paying the membership.
Companies such as Control Risks will provide such a service, at a cost. Does HMG recover costs from the evacuees?
Presumeably all UK nationals in Lebanon, bar those in the FO, are there by choice (and who'd take a holiday there?) as ex-pats. They took a decision to go to a place with a very rocky past, and potentially a rocky future. They probably are not, for the present, paying Gordon.
Why then should our Service-people risk their own lives to go and bail them out of the sh!t? The RAC don't come and rescue my car just because I was a member for 20 years, but stopped paying the membership.
Companies such as Control Risks will provide such a service, at a cost. Does HMG recover costs from the evacuees?
Taxpayers some of which are stranded in a bad place
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Originally Posted by lukeylad
Just heard on the news that 4 more royal navy ships are on there way.
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Originally Posted by PompeySailor
That's the news catching up. There were already other ships on, or near, station, it's just that the media gets more excited about big ships like the CVS. Always been frustrating to be on task with a CVS and only ever seeing their name mentioned.
Ah right i see dont we already have a frigate for destroyer in the med with the standing NATO force.
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Originally Posted by lukeylad
Ah right i see dont we already have a frigate for destroyer in the med with the standing NATO force.
Just waiting for the diplomatic posturing to fail before we embark on what the FCO are calling "the biggest evacuation since Dunkirk."
Medals before teatime!
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Originally Posted by PompeySailor
Yep - ILLUSTRIOUS and BULWARK have escorts, plus RFA assets allocated. There are other ships in the Med, part of UK TGs and multinationals.
Just waiting for the diplomatic posturing to fail before we embark on what the FCO are calling "the biggest evacuation since Dunkirk."
Medals before teatime!
Just waiting for the diplomatic posturing to fail before we embark on what the FCO are calling "the biggest evacuation since Dunkirk."
Medals before teatime!
Is the ocean out there at the moment ?
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At least UK has assets to put there. Canada has 20+k citizens in Leb and we're chartering two commercial ships 
Seven Canadian citizens have already been killed last I heard.
The problem with NATO assets is that UK is unlikely to be the only ones looking to use them to extract their people.
Wouldn't a fleet of RAF Airbus A330s come in handy right about now, deployed to LCA?
As for UNIFIL - it's way too small to do anything and always has been. I don't think there's many Irish personnel left there (there used to be a battalion but since the 2000 agreement the Irish UN commitment has been primarily to African theatres)
The French general in charge needs to ask his boss for some reinforcements (the same boss that's currently ripping Israel for storing up six years of response to attacks across its borders and unloading it all at once).
Seven Canadian citizens have already been killed last I heard.The problem with NATO assets is that UK is unlikely to be the only ones looking to use them to extract their people.
Wouldn't a fleet of RAF Airbus A330s come in handy right about now, deployed to LCA?
As for UNIFIL - it's way too small to do anything and always has been. I don't think there's many Irish personnel left there (there used to be a battalion but since the 2000 agreement the Irish UN commitment has been primarily to African theatres)
The French general in charge needs to ask his boss for some reinforcements (the same boss that's currently ripping Israel for storing up six years of response to attacks across its borders and unloading it all at once).
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Who do you think ultimately pays HMG's salaries and buys all those toys.
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Dunkirk?
Just waiting for the diplomatic posturing to fail before we embark on what the FCO are calling "the biggest evacuation since Dunkirk."
I suggest this ain't a Dunkirk by any stretch of the imagination!
How many hundreds of ships and boats made the trip between Dover and Dunkirk?
How many dozen squadrons provided CAP?
Over 300,000 combat troops being chased off the continent by several Armies of German troops was it?
That was a real feat.....this is just another pax move.
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Footage on the news a few hours ago of an aircraft going down over Lebanon. Speculation as to what it was ranged from jet, uav to helo. Difficult to tell from the video - rapidly rotating with flame.
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Footage on the news a few hours ago of an aircraft going down over Lebanon. Speculation as to what it was ranged from jet, uav to helo. Difficult to tell from the video - rapidly rotating with flame.
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from the bbc:
HMS St Albans, HMS Illustrious, HMS Bulwark and Royal Fleet Auxiliary Fort Victoria Are on there way to the area and the type 42 destroyers HMS Gloucester and HMS York are already there.
HMS St Albans, HMS Illustrious, HMS Bulwark and Royal Fleet Auxiliary Fort Victoria Are on there way to the area and the type 42 destroyers HMS Gloucester and HMS York are already there.
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Ship Defence
I hope that they are all up to date on their Silkworm and related missile tactics - I received this from an Israeli colleague today:
The missile fired on the Israeli Corvette is the most advanced in China, North Korea and Iran (It could be that the Iranians have developed a better version with IR and SAR Recognition at the last phase of the Homing and that they wanted also to test this in a real scenario...). Anyhow this C820 missile has also a Ground to Ground Version which could reach 70 miles and beyond with a GPS guidance.
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The missile fired on the Israeli Corvette is the most advanced in China, North Korea and Iran (It could be that the Iranians have developed a better version with IR and SAR Recognition at the last phase of the Homing and that they wanted also to test this in a real scenario...). Anyhow this C820 missile has also a Ground to Ground Version which could reach 70 miles and beyond with a GPS guidance.
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By Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondent, Haaretz Service and Agencies
"French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin on Monday joined British Prime Minister Tony Blair and United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan in calling for the deployment of an international force in southern Lebanon, in order to end the spiraling conflict between Israel and Hezbollah."
Is Tony volunteering more overstretch?
"French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin on Monday joined British Prime Minister Tony Blair and United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan in calling for the deployment of an international force in southern Lebanon, in order to end the spiraling conflict between Israel and Hezbollah."
Is Tony volunteering more overstretch?
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Originally Posted by Radar Muppet
Chinny
Don't be a ****. Identifying units on current ops is plain stupid. Please erase your post.
Thanks.
RM
Don't be a ****. Identifying units on current ops is plain stupid. Please erase your post.
Thanks.
RM
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