Lebanon Operations, Strikes, and Evacuation Discussions (Merged)
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Originally Posted by 7gcbc
and you assume the scared youth is non-Israeli ? such is your agility of thought.
Scared? The Israeli trooper might be, probably would be (I would). Ill-trained, poorly disciplined, don't think that would describe the IDF very well. So, I have no problem with standing by my post regarding your scenario.
"Agility of thought" is not a term to describe me, more B-52-ish than F-16-ish, but
for the drive-by cheap shot......well done for missing "pendant" for "pennant," however!
I would argue WWIII is upon us....it started with the onset of Islamic Fundamentalist attacks on Western Society. War is sometimes described as the attack upon another nation with the intent to take land and resources or to subjugate another nation's citizens.
Is that exactly what we are confronted with currently? Islamofascists intent upon destroying us and replacing our concepts of freedom and democracy with their own form of government and beliefs?
The question to me is when are we going to mobilize and form an alliance to defeat this meanace?
Is that exactly what we are confronted with currently? Islamofascists intent upon destroying us and replacing our concepts of freedom and democracy with their own form of government and beliefs?
The question to me is when are we going to mobilize and form an alliance to defeat this meanace?
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Now my geography and biblical knowledge may be a bit off, been a while since bible, geography and history classes.
The valley plain called Megiddo or Armageddon as it is described in Relevations is quite close to the area of concern at the moment?
Maybe St John got it right after all?
Also I believe there was some significant action there during the WW1 General Allenby I think.
The valley plain called Megiddo or Armageddon as it is described in Relevations is quite close to the area of concern at the moment?
Maybe St John got it right after all?
Also I believe there was some significant action there during the WW1 General Allenby I think.
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Originally Posted by SASless
The question to me is when are we going to mobilize and form an alliance to defeat this meanace?
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SASLess- you're spot on. The Western (mainly European) Demo 'crass' ies have grown weak and hide under the blanket of appeasement. The only saving grace is that it won't continue... Inshallah!
God protect those servicemen of all uniforms who assist in the speedy evac. of the innocents in this debarcle.
With the lack of international support for Hezbollah, no UN or G8 call for an un-conditional ceasefire & an unusually silent Arab League, methinks the end of Hezbollah is nigh... for now.
God protect those servicemen of all uniforms who assist in the speedy evac. of the innocents in this debarcle.
With the lack of international support for Hezbollah, no UN or G8 call for an un-conditional ceasefire & an unusually silent Arab League, methinks the end of Hezbollah is nigh... for now.
Mova,
I am talking a real alliance....all of Europe, the Moderate Arab countries, China, Asian countries...all of us. If we put on a uniform front, the extremists would quickly find themselves isolated.
The goal is to break out the Coca Cola bottles one day and have a sing song...."I would like to teach the world to sing in Harmony" kind of thing.
Well it's thought anyway!
I am talking a real alliance....all of Europe, the Moderate Arab countries, China, Asian countries...all of us. If we put on a uniform front, the extremists would quickly find themselves isolated.
The goal is to break out the Coca Cola bottles one day and have a sing song...."I would like to teach the world to sing in Harmony" kind of thing.
Well it's thought anyway!
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Originally Posted by SASless
Mova,
I am talking a real alliance....all of Europe, the Moderate Arab countries, China, Asian countries...all of us. If we put on a uniform front, the extremists would quickly find themselves isolated.
The goal is to break out the Coca Cola bottles one day and have a sing song...."I would like to teach the world to sing in Harmony" kind of thing.
Well it's thought anyway!
I am talking a real alliance....all of Europe, the Moderate Arab countries, China, Asian countries...all of us. If we put on a uniform front, the extremists would quickly find themselves isolated.
The goal is to break out the Coca Cola bottles one day and have a sing song...."I would like to teach the world to sing in Harmony" kind of thing.
Well it's thought anyway!
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Originally Posted by Roadster280
I don't have any Israeli stamps, (on account of the Arabic ones), though I've been there many times. Israel is a ****hole. Just my observation, having seen all sides of the fences around that area. The odd lighthouse of civilisation (read Marriott or similar hotel) in a sea of trouble. I stayed in the Intercontinental, one of the best hotels I have ever been in, absolutely fantastic. Right across the road from the scene of a nightclub bombing.
I'm neither for or against Lebanon, Israel, Arabs or Jews. I'm just sick to the back teeth of losing people over a ****hole. Let's get "our" people out of there, and leave those that wish to fight to get on with it. May the best man win. Bollox to a UN "peacekeeping" force. It has not been managed for the last 50 years, so why would a few blue hats and white trucks make a difference now? Been there, got that beret, painted the trucks green again at the end of it.
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Originally Posted by CSilvera
I guess slightly OT, but I've traveled throughout Israel (as well as some in Jordan, Egypt, Mexico, much of Europe) and I would hardly describe it as a "****hole." What neighborhoods did you visit?
http://www.forumsci.co.il/HPLC/Israel_page_Virtual.html
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Deplorable dilatoriness ?
Deplorable dilatoriness over Beirut evacuation
Shields up Scotty!!
The Ministry of Defence expressed concern about the vulnerability of its ships to attack, and the risk that the proximity of an aircraft carrier to the Lebanese coast could be seen as an aggressive posture.
If, nearly six years after the American destroyer Cole was holed in the confines of Aden harbour, a British carrier group on the open sea is inhibited from carrying out urgent business by the possibility of suicide attacks, then one wonders what purpose the Royal Navy serves.
If, nearly six years after the American destroyer Cole was holed in the confines of Aden harbour, a British carrier group on the open sea is inhibited from carrying out urgent business by the possibility of suicide attacks, then one wonders what purpose the Royal Navy serves.
Shields up Scotty!!
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one wonders what purpose the Royal Navy serves
Diplomacy young man, Diplomacy.
Its all very well the press bleating that France and Greece got their people off earlier......
France and Greece are 1000 nms closer. (give or take a fathom or 2)
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Originally Posted by LFFC
Anyway, the US should be a little nervous - they only need to look back 40 years to the USS Liberty incident to realise that perhaps you shouldn't turn your back on someone you think is an ally - and to accept that the pro-Israeli power in the government may be stronger than they think.
Visit Jordan....lovely place full of history and more than a few Palestinian Refugee camps. You can spot them by the shine off the tin roofs of the huts.
New York Times reports Israeli ship hit by the improved Silkworm missile did not have its anti-missile defence system operating when hit. The report notes the presence of such weapons in Lebanon were a surprise to the Israeli's.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/19/wo...gewanted=print
New York Times reports Israeli ship hit by the improved Silkworm missile did not have its anti-missile defence system operating when hit. The report notes the presence of such weapons in Lebanon were a surprise to the Israeli's.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/19/wo...gewanted=print
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Originally Posted by lukeylad
H.M.S York is just docking in beruit.
Hopefully they will concentrate away from the whiners (who all seem to have middle-eastern names but a British passport) and concentrate on the people who are doing another job which tests the overstretch and lean manning concepts.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
No, I believe the idea is just to take them one way... 
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Originally Posted by lukeylad
haha what i meant is are the destroyers just going to be doing that till the carrier arrives?