Lebanon Operations, Strikes, and Evacuation Discussions (Merged)

[Tigs2]

Lebanon Must Comply With UN Resolution

But
Did you know in 1967
The UN passed a resolution number 242 that Israel MUST withdraw from the occupied territories. To this date they have never done so, yet they expect the Lebenon to comply with their UN resolutions.
I expect this thread to last for 12 hours max. UN 242 still remains in uncompliance. WHY! WHY!
Tigs

[Always a Sapper]

It would be start towards peace if a certain beligerant country actually complied with UN resolutions for a change...

What about their terror acts on the brits? St Davids Hotel for starters? plus others... all convenietly forgotten about...

And dont mention nukes either...

[BigBusDriver]

Sorry if this is off-topic, but whatever happened to THEL? Last I heard it was doing a pretty good job of dealing with Katyusha-type rockets back around 2001. Seems like a handy bit of kit for Israel to have these days.

[Blacksheep]

...yet they expect the..

Nobody, least of all any UN delegates, expects anyone to comply with a UN resolution. UN resolutions are no more than feel-good expressions of indignation.

Would Britain leave the Falklands (aka Los Malvinas) if there was a UN resolution? Of course not. If sovereignty over the islands was in question previously, that's no longer the case.

Did the USA - or more correctly "The Coalition" - take any notice of the UN over Iraq? Of course not. "Might is Right" and one would expect military aircrew to be only too well aware of that, for power projection is what they're all about. Its the way the world works; it always was so and it always will be.

Its long past the time for the Palestinians to recognize the reality on the ground. Israel exists. Every time there's a war, the Palestinians take a beating and Israel gets a bit more land.

While I sympathise with the plight of the Palestinians, their own leadership has dragged them into this mire. Since the 1920s Palestinian leaders have sold their people down the river for their own personal profit. Indeed, without their collaboration the State of Israel could never have come to pass.

Time to stop all the stupid pinpricks of home made rockets and suicide bombs, face the reality and talk. Properly. Self flagellation loses its impact after forty years.

[eagle 86]

I say again - the UN is a travelling cocktail party - a sinkhole for huge amounts of money - no real power - no real capability - and never will have. Purely designed to give certain people a warm, touchy/feely sense that they have some say in world affairs.
Israel exists and will continue to exist - the Arabs better get used to this.
GAGS
E86

[West Coast]

"Self flagellation loses its impact after forty years"

I like that. Aptly explains a lot in a little.

"Israel exists and will continue to exist - the Arabs better get used to this"

I like this as well.

[CSilvera]

Originally Posted by Always a Sapper

It would be start towards peace if a certain beligerant country actually complied with UN resolutions for a change...
What about their terror acts on the brits? St Davids Hotel for starters? plus others... all convenietly forgotten about...
And dont mention nukes either...

It was the King David hotel, which was the British military HQ. The British were warned it would be bombed, but most of the British choose to ignore the warning. In any case that happened before the country of Israel was established. The hotel still stands, btw. I suppose when the UNIFIL (the UN forces stationed on the Israeli-Lebanon border) start doing their job. . nah last I checked, they were responsible for assisting in the kidnapping of an Israeli officer a few years ago. Also, with which UN resolution has Israel not complied?

[Maple 01]

Tigs either doesn’t know, or chooses not to mention that there are two kinds of UNSCR resolutions, those that are mandatory (such as UNSCR 687 - the disarming of Iraq) and have powers of enforcement, and those where the UN passes censure and says how they (UN) expect countries to behave, they are not binding and all of the UNSCRs against Israel are this type.

You can’t drive Israel into the sea – and they don’t take crap from anyone – long may it remain so

[The Helpful Stacker]

Bottom line on why Israel doesn't comply with UN resolution 242; The US is the biggest player at the UN, the US is run by rich, powerful Jewish people, rich and powerful Jewish people don't want Israel to 'concede' occupied lands.

Of course no doubt my comments will be seen as anti-semitic, the easiest stone to throw when talking about Israel and its US funded state-sponsored terrorism. Of course the US wouldn't understand that though as terrorism only happens when a plane flies into one of their buildings.

Good to see Israel using a like for like method of retailation. I'm not sure if using an Apache to stop a vehicle in a crowded marketplace is covered by our ROE's though.

[eagle 86]

I actually thought that, in recent times, Israel had given back some occupied land. I'm afraid that I do not see that Israel is at fault in the present conflict.
GAGS
E86

[FormerFlake]

Harks back to the British 'Gun Boat' diplomacy of the 1800s. It used to work back then to. If we had not stopped doing it we may never have had WW2.

[microlight AV8R]

Agree with Tigs, Israel has no choice. The Arabs hate Israel and will only be satisfied with the total destruction of Israel. You can't negotiate with people who have such clear intent, they are indoctrinated from birth.

Hizbollah are manipulated by Iran, a country with nuclear ambitions and a president who says Israel should be wiped off the map

It's terrible to see Lebanon in such a mess again, but they have allowed attacks on Israel to be undertaken from their territory. UN is the usual toothless tiger.

I expect the arab nations may hit back at the west with oil prices/supplies as they have done since the 1973 war.

There will be no end to this, just the occasional pause.

[vecvechookattack]

News from the BBC

UN calls for Lebanon peace force


UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair have called for an international force to be sent to Lebanon to stop attacks on Israel.
Mr Blair said the force could "stop the bombardment coming over into Israel and therefore gives Israel a reason to stop its attacks on Hezbollah". Israel launched its offensive last week following the capture of two of its soldiers by Lebanese guerrillas. Hezbollah has been firing hundreds of missiles into northern Israel.

[Maple 01]

Israel launched its offensive last week following the capture of two of its soldiers by Lebanese guerrillas.

I see the BBC is still having a problem with the 'T' word, for the benefit of the BBC I will translate,

'Israel launched its offensive last week following kidnap of two of its soldiers by Hezbollah terrorists and numerous cross border attacks from Lebanon- Israel has invoked the legitimate right of self defence under Art. 51 of the UN Charter'

[PompeySailor]

Originally Posted by vecvechookattack

News from the BBC

What do you think that the prat Tony Blair has in mind? A huge tennis racket or a big net to catch the missiles? What makes them think that a toothless UN, constrained by ROE and watched by Human Rights sharks will be able to prevent this going on? The Arabs want the Jews removed from the face of the map, the Jews will defend their territory and people, and all we can honestly do is let them get on with it. Why should we side with the Israelis, who have no concept of proportionate response, or with the Arabs who started this problem (this time) with their cross-border snatch squad?

Not happy with the way the BBC continues with their pro-Israeli slant - they seem to miss the "hundreds of missiles" the Israelis have been lobbing back into Lebanon!

[Moe Syzlak]

I suppose if you steal a country you should expect to take a few hits. As for the "unacceptable" kidnapping of soldiers- the Hagena took 2 brits in '48, tortured them, murdered them, boobytrapped their bodies and left them festering in the sun tied to trees. I'm glad I don't live there.

[lukeylad]

Originally Posted by Pontious

Whilst routing up from Sharm el Sheik to El Arish in Egypt last thursday at FL330 I noticed a ship in the Red Sea. It was heading north, small aircraft carrier or helicopter carrier size. Didn't have much of a wake behind it or smoke stack and it didn't seem to be in much of a hurry. Anybody know if the French or Americans have anything in the area. It didn't seem to have an escort but was definately large, grey, flat decked with markings visible through bino's from 5.5 miles up.

Could be the IWO Jima american assult carrier shes heading for the area. Or maybe that French helicopter carrier jean de arc i think.

[7gcbc]

Tonys' Brief needs to take a long holiday, the UN already has a peacekeeping operation in that zone under the UNIFIL mandate.

from the Unifil website:

Strength (30 April 2006)
1,991 troops, assisted by some 50 military observers of UNTSO; and supported by 95 international civilian personnel and 295 local civilian staff

Contributors of Military Personnel China, France, Ghana, India, Ireland, Italy and Poland.

[PompeySailor]

Originally Posted by 7gcbc

Tonys' Brief needs to take a long holiday, the UN already has a peacekeeping operation in that zone under the UNIFIL mandate.

from the Unifil website:

Strength (30 April 2006)
1,991 troops, assisted by some 50 military observers of UNTSO; and supported by 95 international civilian personnel and 295 local civilian staff

Contributors of Military Personnel China, France, Ghana, India, Ireland, Italy and Poland.

Their official mandate is:


According to Security Council resolutions 425 (1978) and 426 (1978) of 19 March 1978, UNIFIL was established to:

• Confirm the withdrawal of Israeli forces from southern Lebanon;
• Restore international peace and security;
• Assist the Government of Lebanon in ensuring the return of its effective authority in the area.

Most recently the mandate of UNIFIL was extended until 31 July 2006 by Security Council resolution 1655 (2006) of 31 January 2006.

Mission assessed as incomplete then?

[7gcbc]

either way tony's brief missed it, bet there's a job going at #1 Whitehall by tomorrow ?