Why Nobody Likes RAF Police
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Laar,
In 13 years service I was never charged, in civvy life I have no criminal convictions so I wont be asking the about rights "the next time I am in the clink" .. there has not been a first.
And as a 18 year old LAC who had been in just about a year I would have thought me knowing my rights in an unfamiliar situation like that would be secondary to the RAFP Cpl's following the proper proceedures but I take your point.
In fairness I met some good RAFP's who acted reasonably and were decent guys, unfortunately I found then too few and far between.
And after that experience I never trusted another one again.
In 13 years service I was never charged, in civvy life I have no criminal convictions so I wont be asking the about rights "the next time I am in the clink" .. there has not been a first.
And as a 18 year old LAC who had been in just about a year I would have thought me knowing my rights in an unfamiliar situation like that would be secondary to the RAFP Cpl's following the proper proceedures but I take your point.
In fairness I met some good RAFP's who acted reasonably and were decent guys, unfortunately I found then too few and far between.
And after that experience I never trusted another one again.
Originally Posted by Jopsy
Laar,
I take your point.
In fairness I met some good RAFP's who acted reasonably and were decent guys, unfortunately I found then too few and far between.
And after that experience I never trusted another one again.
I take your point.
In fairness I met some good RAFP's who acted reasonably and were decent guys, unfortunately I found then too few and far between.
And after that experience I never trusted another one again.
You might like to know that the terms of the PACE (Police and Criminal Evidence Act) 1984 specify certain rights that a policeman has to point out in writing to an arrested person. These apply to Service Police too!
If you are not arrested, it doesn't apply and you are free to go at any time.
Remember that Service Police are generally good guys who joined wanting to help you out. We are changing all the time towards specialist Police branches. Slag us off (banter I believe we have to call it!) by all means, it's part of the RAF life. But think twice about posting rubbish. It helps no-one.
Take care guys.
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Originally Posted by Laarbruch72
Fair enough Jopsy.
You might like to know that the terms of the PACE (Police and Criminal Evidence Act) 1984 specify certain rights that a policeman has to point out in writing to an arrested person. These apply to Service Police too!
If you are not arrested, it doesn't apply and you are free to go at any time.
Remember that Service Police are generally good guys who joined wanting to help you out. We are changing all the time towards specialist Police branches.
You might like to know that the terms of the PACE (Police and Criminal Evidence Act) 1984 specify certain rights that a policeman has to point out in writing to an arrested person. These apply to Service Police too!
If you are not arrested, it doesn't apply and you are free to go at any time.
Remember that Service Police are generally good guys who joined wanting to help you out. We are changing all the time towards specialist Police branches.
Umpteenth threads on this subject suggest it's not the case.
Slag us off (banter I believe we have to call it!) by all means, it's part of the RAF life. But think twice about posting rubbish. It helps no-one.
[quote=wg13_dummy]Your rigerous training quote]
And your "rigerous" training qualifies you for this thread does it?
Stop posting rubbish. It embarrasses you.
Post something new, and I might be interested.
If not, take a leaf out of Pontius' and Tombstones' book, and try making some sense.
Take part in the debate, and don't just post as a f*ckwitt. It might do you some credit. Mate, you really do single yourself out as a true w*nker.
Mind how you go,
Laar.
And your "rigerous" training qualifies you for this thread does it?
Stop posting rubbish. It embarrasses you.
Post something new, and I might be interested.
If not, take a leaf out of Pontius' and Tombstones' book, and try making some sense.
Take part in the debate, and don't just post as a f*ckwitt. It might do you some credit. Mate, you really do single yourself out as a true w*nker.
Mind how you go,
Laar.
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Originally Posted by Laarbruch72
And your "rigerous" training qualifies you for this thread does it?
Stop posting rubbish. It embarrasses you.
Post something new, and I might be interested.
If not, take a leaf out of Pontius' and Tombstones' book, and try making some sense.
Take part in the debate, and don't just post as a f*ckwitt. It might do you some credit. Mate, you really do single yourself out as a true w*nker.
Mind how you go,
Laar.
It's not a case of 'qualifying' for a thread you dick. It's about understanding when you are been talked about and not spoken to.
Debate? There is no debate. RAFP are tits. When you realise that, you'll be a happier chap. The thread title is 'Why no one likes the RAFP' you moron. If you want a debate, poke off to the kennels. I'm sure you'll be out matched by the residents.
(Each time a copper tries to defend himself or his 'trade' on these threads, they embarrass themselves as they clearly haven't understood the question).
Evenin' all.
Jopsy i remember that bloke, he was the Richard Cranium who kept banning people from camp for weeks at a time for motoring offenses.
I worked in the tower and he was the same pratt who rang up and demanded to know why a mighty hunter was "speeding" down the taxiway.
Without thinking I replied its the SAR aircraft, they do tend to move a bit quicker. He spluttered something ridiculous about rules but I was to busy and gave him a Basil Fawlty "Goodbye"
Silly fecker raced up to the tower demanding an explanation....
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Not a good idea when your Airfield Driving Permit has run out!!
Did I enjoy banning him from the airfield - you bet!!
One of his other tricks was to hide with the portly ginger haired henchman he had, and catch the foot patrol nipping in for breakfast. He really was that sad! Funnily enough once the SWO found out he and his lads had time to "steak out" the mess (pardon the pun) the practice stopped. I guess the idea they might have to do foot patrol did not appeal
I worked in the tower and he was the same pratt who rang up and demanded to know why a mighty hunter was "speeding" down the taxiway.
Without thinking I replied its the SAR aircraft, they do tend to move a bit quicker. He spluttered something ridiculous about rules but I was to busy and gave him a Basil Fawlty "Goodbye"
Silly fecker raced up to the tower demanding an explanation....
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Not a good idea when your Airfield Driving Permit has run out!!
Did I enjoy banning him from the airfield - you bet!!
One of his other tricks was to hide with the portly ginger haired henchman he had, and catch the foot patrol nipping in for breakfast. He really was that sad! Funnily enough once the SWO found out he and his lads had time to "steak out" the mess (pardon the pun) the practice stopped. I guess the idea they might have to do foot patrol did not appeal
Originally Posted by Skeleton
I worked in the tower and he was the same pratt who rang up and demanded to know why a mighty hunter was "speeding" down the taxiway.
Mind you.... a certain C130 pilot in Kabul recently complained to the International Military Police about the speed of vehicles on the main southern taxiway. He said (quite rightly) that it was a FS hazard and needed policing, and why didn't we get on with our jobs etc.......
Same crew were stopped 2 days later on radar zipping along at 70kph (In a 40) on the taxiway. Excuse? "Haven't you got anything better to do?" etc etc etc.
The usual boring set of excuses!
We really can't do any good, we're never in the right are we??
Think before you post..
Laar.
Originally Posted by wg13_dummy
Sounds like a bite.
Debate? There is no debate. RAFP are tits. When you realise that, you'll be a happier chap. The thread title is 'Why no one likes the RAFP' you moron. If you want a debate, poke off to the kennels. I'm sure you'll be out matched by the residents.
(Each time a copper tries to defend himself or his 'trade' on these threads, they embarrass themselves as they clearly haven't understood the question).
Evenin' all.
Debate? There is no debate. RAFP are tits. When you realise that, you'll be a happier chap. The thread title is 'Why no one likes the RAFP' you moron. If you want a debate, poke off to the kennels. I'm sure you'll be out matched by the residents.
(Each time a copper tries to defend himself or his 'trade' on these threads, they embarrass themselves as they clearly haven't understood the question).
Evenin' all.
You clearly cannot see the wood from the trees. You only embarrass YOURSELF, as this thread is dying out and you are one of the 3 who will not let it lie. And THAT my friend is sad.
I've understood the question only too well.... As you yourself pointed out.... This thread was why NOBODY likes the RAF Police.
So far I only see 3 or 4 sad sacks replying.
Where are the other 57,000?
Keep it up dummy. You're only making yourself look stupid.
Laar.
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Oh Dear, Laarbruch.
Why NOBODY likes RAF Police
You, my friend, have answered this question yourself, in the tone and content of the vast majority of your posts over the last few pages, far more demonstrably and unequivocably than any of the rest of us could ever have hoped to do.
I would like to withdraw my previous demand for you to shut the f**k up - please continue to throb, and answer the question for us - we wouldn't have to post at all then, with you doing all our work for us here!
Only £30k? Bless! I wouldn't get out of bed for that amount of money. Double it, and I'd think about getting out of bed....
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Why NOBODY likes RAF Police
You, my friend, have answered this question yourself, in the tone and content of the vast majority of your posts over the last few pages, far more demonstrably and unequivocably than any of the rest of us could ever have hoped to do.
I would like to withdraw my previous demand for you to shut the f**k up - please continue to throb, and answer the question for us - we wouldn't have to post at all then, with you doing all our work for us here!
Only £30k? Bless! I wouldn't get out of bed for that amount of money. Double it, and I'd think about getting out of bed....
16B
Im not often rude to people- but in this case!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Laarbruch72
Wow, another unfounded and completely rubbish post! I really can't think of a colleague of mine who would complain about speeding on a taxiway!
How dare you question my honesty you arrogant little man. I can live with the rubbish bit, we all have different opinions, but what gives you the right to completely dismiss my post as "unfounded"
You really are a copper, you just proved it! You're rude, you're dismissive , and if you don't believe something's true, you post the kind of abusive answer above. Anyone else I would provide with a reasoned answer as to why its true, but you come across as such a sanctimonious tit, you don't deserve one. Your damn right you can't think, you certainly did not before you posted the above pearl of wisdom.
By the way your colleague was not the first to complain about "speeding" aircraft, he was just the thicko that headed onto the airfield without the correct paperwork, now that shows he also did not think, therefore he was also a real fed. Of course if you had been there the whole incident would not have occurred would it? Your breed was good at sweeping things under the carpet - when it suited them.
I have said before I met some ruddy good coppers - Its just a pity that the bad ones like you let the side down so badly. Every trade has its bad apples, but get a bad copper and the nature of his job means a lot of people are going to come across him given time.
Spleen vented time for work - Reasons i left the mob part 234 - Tossers like you.
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Originally Posted by Laarbruch72
Ah, THAT policeman? If that's the one I know then this never happened. (As befits the stature of this thread, never let truth get in the way of a good lie!)
So the bottom line is (Just for you Comp Charlie) if you don't like speed enforcement on your camp, speak to Harry about it.
Mind how you go.
Laar.
So the bottom line is (Just for you Comp Charlie) if you don't like speed enforcement on your camp, speak to Harry about it.
Mind how you go.
Laar.
Mr Laar, you have just proven beyond all reasonable doubt that RAFP not only suffer from selective hearing, you also suffer from selective reading...
Please point out any post from me that relates to speeding on camp and/or radar guns?
I think you'll find my particular post was about a block party attended by an invited RAFP who then proceeded to bubble us for said party as he hadn't managed to pull.
Nothing whatsoever to do with speeding.
Also:
You imply I am LYING about said incident and make it sound like it is an 'old chestnut' of a story. Well, it DID happen, and I can conclude one of either two things:
1. This particular incident in 1993 has become folklore in the RAFP trade as even other RAFP can see the guy was being a tool.
2. This kind of thing happens regularly - RAFP being invited to block parties, only then to stitch the boys up.
Either way it lends more credence to this discussion that Coppers are nobs.
So, I shall wait with baited breath for not one but TWO apologies from your good self (surely you are man enough to admit you made a mistake?).
I did not lie about the Block Party incident, and I did not mention speeding once in any of my posts.
An apology from a scuffer...I can't wait...
Don't think I'll hold my breath though...I might die...
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So then LaarButch (IQ)72
If this thread is dying, why do you feel the need to post nearly 50% of the last page (31). 8 out of 17 if schoolbioy maths still works!!!
Give it a rest.
Go check a combo or something!!
More LAter;
'J' Bloke!!
If this thread is dying, why do you feel the need to post nearly 50% of the last page (31). 8 out of 17 if schoolbioy maths still works!!!
Give it a rest.
Go check a combo or something!!
More LAter;
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Oh dear, Laar. You are making a bit of a prat of yourself aren't you.
The thread would have probably died if you hadn't bothered replying. I'll bet your police work is as top notch as your replies on here. We are all doomed!
The thread would have probably died if you hadn't bothered replying. I'll bet your police work is as top notch as your replies on here. We are all doomed!
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I am currently a serving RAF copper. I have got to say that I welcome the stories (good or bad) about my 'colleagues'. I have heard most of them before, but it still makes me laugh. I have been guilty, in my younger days of service, of being 'over enthusiastic' but have since grown out of it.
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Laarbruch72 has made a total of 69 posts, of which 66 are on the subject of the RAFP in this forum and in the last week.
Come on lads, surely if he does any plodding at all and you keep quiet, he will go away and find somebody else to bother.
Come on lads, surely if he does any plodding at all and you keep quiet, he will go away and find somebody else to bother.
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Originally Posted by Laarbruch72
Don't mind the humour one bit Jopsy. That's actually a fairly funny joke, keep them coming by all means.
What disturbs me is the incident you mention. Can you not be more specific about the said incident? If not then fair enough, but I can hardly reply to that with any credence can I?
Interview against the rules? Do you not know that you have rights? (And every copper has to show you a paper copy every time you are interviewed? It's the law. Ask next time you're in the clink, although you should have been informed of your rights anyway!)
And contary to belief, there are no such thing as stats. We don't get extra pay / promotion / up the pecking order etc from doing people for no good reason. There are stats yes. But only on crime figures on each station so we can best see how to target resources.
I was specifically talking about the dreaded (and much vaulted) radar gun. I was just trying to defend the poor young guys who, under Harrys' orders have to go out and cop all the **** for Harrys' own policies.
As I said guys. It's easy to blast the 18 year old LAC/A/Cpl for being a **** or whatever, but try asking Gp Capt Harry why he sends those same guys out. I somehow doubt that you would.
Mind how you go,
Laar.
What disturbs me is the incident you mention. Can you not be more specific about the said incident? If not then fair enough, but I can hardly reply to that with any credence can I?
Interview against the rules? Do you not know that you have rights? (And every copper has to show you a paper copy every time you are interviewed? It's the law. Ask next time you're in the clink, although you should have been informed of your rights anyway!)
And contary to belief, there are no such thing as stats. We don't get extra pay / promotion / up the pecking order etc from doing people for no good reason. There are stats yes. But only on crime figures on each station so we can best see how to target resources.
I was specifically talking about the dreaded (and much vaulted) radar gun. I was just trying to defend the poor young guys who, under Harrys' orders have to go out and cop all the **** for Harrys' own policies.
As I said guys. It's easy to blast the 18 year old LAC/A/Cpl for being a **** or whatever, but try asking Gp Capt Harry why he sends those same guys out. I somehow doubt that you would.
Mind how you go,
Laar.
We have a different system in that our guys cannot join as Police, they have to transfer after a few years in. As for interviews, I have been in a couple where the correct procedure has not been followed, and I have had a couple of our Police (that I actually get on fairly well with, having worked with SIB on some specialist cases) admit that if they think they can put the pressure on before enlightening the guilty bastard (sorry, suspect), they will.
Originally Posted by PompeySailor
Interesting Laar. The RN Police, when undergoing training at Whale Island, used to be given quotas to fill each day as part of the training regime. They would be bussed down to the dockyard and told to collect a certain amount of names and offences. They don't do the same when they are qualified.
We have a different system in that our guys cannot join as Police, they have to transfer after a few years in. As for interviews, I have been in a couple where the correct procedure has not been followed, and I have had a couple of our Police (that I actually get on fairly well with, having worked with SIB on some specialist cases) admit that if they think they can put the pressure on before enlightening the guilty bastard (sorry, suspect), they will.
We have a different system in that our guys cannot join as Police, they have to transfer after a few years in. As for interviews, I have been in a couple where the correct procedure has not been followed, and I have had a couple of our Police (that I actually get on fairly well with, having worked with SIB on some specialist cases) admit that if they think they can put the pressure on before enlightening the guilty bastard (sorry, suspect), they will.
I've worked with the RN Police also, and I'm aware that they don't join as Police. (Probably a better system I admit). Yes, as you said, I'm sure there are some who will "apply pressure" in an interview, but it's not my area so I can't say with any authority as to what extent that goes on.
As you said though, a long time back, good and bad in all.
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Originally Posted by Doobs
I am currently a serving RAF copper. I have got to say that I welcome the stories (good or bad) about my 'colleagues'. I have heard most of them before, but it still makes me laugh. I have been guilty, in my younger days of service, of being 'over enthusiastic' but have since grown out of it.
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If you cant laugh at yourself then who can you laugh at ??
Love us, hate us......Who cares !!
Enjoy
As my name implies I was in the RAF Police (12 years). I met loads of good people (from all trades - including aircrew and RAFP) and a fair number of complete wasters (again from all trades - including aircrew and RAFP)! That's just life.
Having said that, Laar - don't know where you get your gen from mate regarding the (non-existant) air threat in Iraq/Afghanistan. There is a threat to aircraft operating there - quite a strong threat as well! How do I know? Lots of reasons - but the one that can be posted here is the article in Solider magazine a few months ago which described the VC-10 moves into and from Basrah. Aircraft has to take off and land at night, all passengers wear body armour and helmets during landing, no lights on etc. Sounds like a reasonable air threat to me! You could argue that there's a greater threat to troops on the ground - given the number of solider deaths there have been I would agree with that line. But I don't believe you can dismiss the air threat because of the lack of an opposing Air Force!!!
Personally speaking I've got a lot of respect for the aircrew boys and girls. If their aircraft is going down and they have got a choice between bailing out and watch the aircraft crash into a village or stay in the aircraft, miss the village and die themselves...they all chose the latter. Major respect in my book
However, do some aircrew chaps have an attitude problem? Course they do! Just like RAFP, RAF Regt, Chefs, drivers etc. etc. etc. Like I said - part of life.
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Ah-ha...I see a post from Mr Laarbruch, handily ignoring the request for an apology on the previous page (page 31) for sullying my good name and reputation.
Luckily 'Doobs' and 'Iwasacopper' are going someway to proving that at least some RAFP are human are can talk sense.
I shall add to the selective hearing and selective reading comments, the new category of 'inability to ever admit making a mistake'.
Although I should give the benefit of the doubt, maybe you didn't read the previous page, an allowable oversight - think of this topic as like a coppers notebook, just pick and choose the bits that show you in a good light and disregard the inaccuracies in your work...that's how it works isn't it?
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Luckily 'Doobs' and 'Iwasacopper' are going someway to proving that at least some RAFP are human are can talk sense.
I shall add to the selective hearing and selective reading comments, the new category of 'inability to ever admit making a mistake'.
Although I should give the benefit of the doubt, maybe you didn't read the previous page, an allowable oversight - think of this topic as like a coppers notebook, just pick and choose the bits that show you in a good light and disregard the inaccuracies in your work...that's how it works isn't it?
CC