RAF JPA Rollout

[PompeySailor]

Dark Blue update - we have seen the way to keep manpower (slyly). We have taken the responsibility for recording discipline data away from the RN Policemen, and given it to Leading Writers - which means that the Pay Office gets to retain some more subject specialists! Signal came out today asking us to cancel all SNCO Police courses and rebook with Leading Writers "recognising that it may require more than one person per unit." Result for us, I think.

Sad thing is that even at this late stage we are still specifying who requires which role within a unit.

[ident80enter]

CEA

Just been trying to claim CEA, obviously it doesn't work and just freezes/times out after pressing submit. Anyone else having problems?

[BlahBlah25]

In order for CEA to work correctly your HR Admin are required to record your mobility certficate in two different places within the HR Admin role, this could possibly be what is causing the system to freeze (or is it just because it is crap!!). Also if you are claiming SENA that needs to be recorded by HR Admin as well.

A tip on submitting CEA, if you override the screen you claim wll first go to the JPAC to autorise before it goes to your local approver. Also JPAC say they are going to do pay runs on a weekly basis to pay CEA so the earlier you get it in teh sooner it gets paid and if you put it into a high interest account you will get something out of the system.. However, wether or not these weekly pay runs will ecer occur is another matter altogether......

[ZOFO]

Well that is it I have looked at this thread for some time now and the QR1001 went in today, So Ill just have to wait out now and see what happens, who knows this time next week I could be NCO IC Commcen Saxa Vord or permenantly peeling spuds in the cookhouse. It is true what some people have said about redress of complaint etc... It does take a bit of ba!!s but after 21 years in the job it saddens me to do this but it seems the only course to take as we all are just getting nowhere fast, and as has been said "Up to date there have been no official complaints". Well heres mine and I hope others will take heart from this and follow suit... I will of course keep readers updated when i receive further information. (Maybe live from Colchester eh!!)

Heres Hoping

[PompeySailor]

Originally Posted by ZOFO

Well that is it I have looked at this thread for some time now and the QR1001 went in today, So Ill just have to wait out now and see what happens, who knows this time next week I could be NCO IC Commcen Saxa Vord or permenantly peeling spuds in the cookhouse. It is true what some people have said about redress of complaint etc... It does take a bit of ba!!s but after 21 years in the job it saddens me to do this but it seems the only course to take as we all are just getting nowhere fast, and as has been said "Up to date there have been no official complaints". Well heres mine and I hope others will take heart from this and follow suit... I will of course keep readers updated when i receive further information. (Maybe live from Colchester eh!!)

Heres Hoping

I don't understand the fear involved in raising a complaint. There is nothing they can do to you if you stick to facts and follow procedures. You should find that your CoC back you all the way (they are not immune to this problem), and you have a full audit trail of the complaint. If you think you are being disadvantaged because of the action you are taking, mention this to the Equal Ops Liaison person - it would count as harassment and discrimination, something the Forces can't afford to let bite them.

Good luck (if you get to MCTC, let me know and I will arrange for the Staff to let you have internet access.....)

[tgarden]

Readers of this thread may be interested in the replies I have received from Lord Drayson, the MoD Minister, about JPA. I asked:

Which targeted allowances for the Armed Forces are expected to generate savings with the introduction of the joint personnel administration system so that the changes are broadly cost neutral.

It also explains the process of consultation. The Hansard link is here.

[SirToppamHat]

CEA TIP

We were notified a week ago that the HR actions referred to by BB25 were about to be undertaken by our Unit Staff. I believe this has now been completed. However, another part of the nonsense is that if you apply now, you will only get the 2005/6 rate. The advice is to wait until after 1 Aug 06 (if memory serves) so that you get the full rate. The way boarding school fees are going at the moment, this may be a significant difference, especially for those of us whose kids cost more than 110% of the maximum allowance.

We seem to be very lucky because the Chief Clerk has been involved in the Project. However, I believe there are already 2 redresses sitting in the CO's tray - and no, he doesn't mind a bit! Bring them on!

STH

Edited for bod spillin

[LFFC]

Originally Posted by tgarden

Readers of this thread may be interested in the replies I have received from Lord Drayson, the MoD Minister, about JPA. I asked:
It also explains the process of consultation. The Hansard link is here.

Thank you for asking such well designed and searching questions. We now know that the MOD expected to make savings in each of the following allowances:

• Female Clothing Grants
  
• Civilian Clothing Grants (Hot Posts)
  
• Compensation for Lost and Damaged Effects
  
• Local Overseas Allowance
  
• Get You Home (Overseas)
  
• Get You Home (Islands)
  
• Northern Ireland Journeys
  
• Northern Ireland Resident's Supplement
  
• Recruitment and Retention Allowance (London)
  
• Disturbance Allowance
  
• Removal Expenses
  
• Separation Allowances
  
• Get You Home (Early Years)
  
• Get You Home (Seagoers)
  
• Subsistence Allowances
  
• Missed Meal Payments
  
• Special Messing Allowance
  
• Northern Ireland Compensatory Food Allowance
  
• Home to Duty Travel (Public) and (Private)

However, they do say that they have "generated [these] savings to offset increased provision in other areas and so ensure that the overall allowance package is broadly cost neutral."

Personally, the list above seems to have captured just about every allowance that I've ever claimed! So, it would be very interesting to know just where the increased provision is being made. I wonder if it is the provision of the JPA service itself?

[dallas]

Originally Posted by LFFC

Personally, the list above seems to have captured just about every allowance that I've ever claimed! So, it would be very interesting to know just where the increased provision is being made. I wonder if it is the provision of the JPA service itself?

Got to agree with you there LFFC. It's not going to be cost neutral if the savings from the main allowances package - and let's not mince words: the cut in allowances for the majority, stealthily brought in under the cover of JPA, is to be redirected to the lesbian submarine aircrew transexual's petticoat allowance increase.

[vecvechookattack]

Quite rightly so. For far, far too long, Lesbian Submarine aircrew transexuals have been deemed second class citizens and have not been given adequate allowances. At last they will be given an allowance to purchase much needed petticoats

[BellEndBob]

Our Chief Clerk sent out an e-mail this morning asking for anyone with complaints to send them to him by e-mail and he would pass them on at an 'informal' briefing with the JPA team next week.
I replied that he should be reminding personnel of the FORMAL complaints procedure.
A very hostile response suggesting that the formal method is not necessary and just 'trouble making' for no good reason.
Get those complaints in NOW!

[PompeySailor]

Originally Posted by BellEndBob

Our Chief Clerk sent out an e-mail this morning asking for anyone with complaints to send them to him by e-mail and he would pass them on at an 'informal' briefing with the JPA team next week.
I replied that he should be reminding personnel of the FORMAL complaints procedure.
A very hostile response suggesting that the formal method is not necessary and just 'trouble making' for no good reason.
Get those complaints in NOW!

I have heard that units are being encouraged to follow this "unofficial" procedure in the hope that complaints are not made formal - and therefore cannot be used in official figures.

It's dangerous when you are being earmarked as a "trouble maker" for simply following the rules and regulations!

[500days2do]

Resettlement

Just a thought...

Just completed my resettlement training course and decided to 'pop' into the wonderful ladies at our 'training centre' to claim my 20% and my SLC. Two minutes completing the form...job done ! I commented to them that my 'JPA enhanced' advance of accom and subsistance had taken 38 days from acknowledgement to payment!!! They said I should recieve my cash next week...

And as my advance had taken so long to appear...I wonder if the system will pay my Visa charges and interest? Well...if the wonderful chief cash counter is anything to go by...a big fat no. He didnt think I deserved the cash from the start...

5d2d

[PerArdua]

July's Pay Statement is in!

Well it has taken them 4 months of hard work in JPA Towers and they have finally done it! They have managed to mess up my pay so I now join the majority and can now phone up and have nothing done for the next month.
PA

[Spotting Bad Guys]

It's not 'GPD Taxable', is it?

Just spoken to JPAC EC having had the same issue for 3 consecutive payslips - they referred to an e-mail from the 'back office' stating that the GPD Taxable was a known problem affecting "lots of people" (their words not mine) and that a 'bulk fix' was going to be applied on the AUGUST pay run i.e end of Aug. They had also been instructed not to raise any SRs against the issue.



Good luck

BG

[SubdiFuge]

SBG

I've just got my June, yes that's right, June payslip and noticed this GPD Taxable debt in the bottom right hand corner. The amount was £733, so being a bit concerned I called the JPAC helpdesk and asked what it was. They gave me the same explanation that you have posted, i.e. loads of people in a similar position and you will get repaid end of August. Not good enough I said, there's 10 days to sort it out - we'll get back to you!! Not holding my breath, but I will be registering a formal complaint - and anybody outh there should do the same!

SDF

[Now a 'J' Bloke!!]

Hi Gang;

I have been lucky so far with the JPA pay debacle....until now!!!

Last thing before stack today, I went and had a peek at the payroll pages to see how much I'm getting at the end of July, and was pleased to see that my LSSA outstanding from January has finally been paid.

However, and this may affect loads of peeps....my increment due date....nicely annotated on the old payslips has come and gone with no increase in the basic pay. Easy to spot now as we get the standard 30.xx days pay per month. Now it only amounts to about £38 gross per month and after tax will only be worth the price odf a shabby haircut.... but the JPAC music station will be getting a call on Monday morning....

Unless I'm in Cyprus!!!!

More LAter;
'J' Bloke!!

[Always_broken_in_wilts]

Some would say your only paid what your worth

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

[lampeterexile]

Originally Posted by Now a 'J' Bloke!!

Hi Gang;
I have been lucky so far with the JPA pay debacle....until now!!!
Last thing before stack today, I went and had a peek at the payroll pages to see how much I'm getting at the end of July, and was pleased to see that my LSSA outstanding from January has finally been paid.
However, and this may affect loads of peeps....my increment due date....nicely annotated on the old payslips has come and gone with no increase in the basic pay. Easy to spot now as we get the standard 30.xx days pay per month. Now it only amounts to about £38 gross per month and after tax will only be worth the price odf a shabby haircut.... but the JPAC music station will be getting a call on Monday morning....
Unless I'm in Cyprus!!!!
More LAter;
'J' Bloke!!

Same as me on the increment front. Another thing can someone explain what NPD means. Up to now they have taken nothing. However in the next statement they have taken it out of my pay

Ex J bloke

[Climebear]

Originally Posted by lampeterexile

Same as me on the increment front. Another thing can someone explain what NPD means. Up to now they have taken nothing. However in the next statement they have taken it out of my pay
Ex J bloke

I rang the JPAC on this today, mine had a NPD deduction followed by an NPD credit for the same amount. The nice people explained that it was a computer glich (on JPA, who has ver heard of such a thing!!) and that they are trying to sort it out

On the plus side - my increment was paid and so was 4 months worth of Home to Duty that stopped when JPA came online.