RAF JPA Rollout
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From: Far from the madding crowd
Originally Posted by dallas
Oh for God's sake airborne_artist, since when has it mattered whether your project works or is any good, compared to what you make influential people think?
If the RAF did all that it claimed, we'd be fcuking deadly!
If the RAF did all that it claimed, we'd be fcuking deadly!
If it looks good I'll get the promotion/Honours etc...!!
All the lower echelons have been forced into the change culture, about time. Lets apply it Air Force wide and LEAN the upper echelons too, I'd like to see how they stand under the scrutiny.
Koalas the lot of them.
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From: Salisbury Plain
Other Buggers Effort
Originally Posted by PompeySailor
"prepared the Help Desk..." - I assume this means that she was i/c mouse mat procurement rather than staff selection, training, etc?
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From: Far from the madding crowd
Ah good old JPA, I have recieved an extra £40ish this month for GYH?????
Intresting amount/allowance seeing as I have never claimed it, wanted nor needed it.
Can't wait to see the next months pay packet....lol minus £400 for over issue of GYH
Intresting amount/allowance seeing as I have never claimed it, wanted nor needed it.
Can't wait to see the next months pay packet....lol minus £400 for over issue of GYH
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From: Several miles SSW of Watford Gap
Originally Posted by Almost_done
Ah good old JPA, I have recieved an extra £40ish this month for GYH?????
Intresting amount/allowance seeing as I have never claimed it, wanted nor needed it.
Can't wait to see the next months pay packet....lol minus £400 for over issue of GYH
Intresting amount/allowance seeing as I have never claimed it, wanted nor needed it.
Can't wait to see the next months pay packet....lol minus £400 for over issue of GYH
That'll be mine - mine stopped in Apr (when we switched to JPA) and the Help Desk hasn't been much help! They keep referring me back to the unit clerks - those will be the unit clerks we cut to be able to pay for JPA and the JPAC help desk then!
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From: Lake District
This month I (so far) have no online pay packet. My colleagues do which is a bit worrying. After my daily chat with JPAC the chap finally decided that having an SR open for almost 2 months ref missing pay was too much...then admitted he had no idea what else I could do as his supervisor had been 'engaged' for most of the day.
I've put in over 80 hours effort this past week (ground tour..busy undermanned desk) and I just want paid...Redress is being bandied about at the moment...I have some faith in this process to acheive success but what of the aftermath? I'm not really a fan of hanging my testalia out to dry! Writing to any MP seems to be just a waste of printer ink...Senior officers admit they are out of the loop and that official avenues should be investigated i.e. JPAC.
Anyone got any fresh ideas??
I've put in over 80 hours effort this past week (ground tour..busy undermanned desk) and I just want paid...Redress is being bandied about at the moment...I have some faith in this process to acheive success but what of the aftermath? I'm not really a fan of hanging my testalia out to dry! Writing to any MP seems to be just a waste of printer ink...Senior officers admit they are out of the loop and that official avenues should be investigated i.e. JPAC.
Anyone got any fresh ideas??
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From: SCOTLAND
Vim_Fuego,
try this, write direct to the chairperson of the Armed Forces Pay Review Board (her name is in the first few pages of the AFPRB 06-07 and send it c/o house of Lords). I did this a couple of years ago regarding the payment of FRI's. Both myself and PSF couldn't get any answers through the offical channels, didn't want to redress, so I wrote direct. Within 7 days I had OC PSF on the phone telling me I shouldn't have writen the letter but also giving me the answers to the questions I had been waiting for, for the last 15months.
try this, write direct to the chairperson of the Armed Forces Pay Review Board (her name is in the first few pages of the AFPRB 06-07 and send it c/o house of Lords). I did this a couple of years ago regarding the payment of FRI's. Both myself and PSF couldn't get any answers through the offical channels, didn't want to redress, so I wrote direct. Within 7 days I had OC PSF on the phone telling me I shouldn't have writen the letter but also giving me the answers to the questions I had been waiting for, for the last 15months.
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From: Lake District
Thanks for your efforts...
Kev Nurse...That is my next step as soon as I see I have not been paid correctly again.
For all NCA who's flying pay wrong...if you are on the upper level but are only getting the middle band check the NEW JPA rules for paying the upper level....Shocking!
Kev Nurse...That is my next step as soon as I see I have not been paid correctly again.
For all NCA who's flying pay wrong...if you are on the upper level but are only getting the middle band check the NEW JPA rules for paying the upper level....Shocking!
Last edited by Vim_Fuego; 24th June 2006 at 11:02. Reason: Poor syntax!!
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From: Lake District
Originally Posted by Just This Once...
Go on Vim, spill the beans. Not all NCA are in work this Saturday to check!
This obviously affects the many re-treads that follow this career path. I'm told that if you were getting the upper rate they will eventually honour it...
If you were about to get it and don't fit the new criteria then you'll have to wait that bit longer....
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From: Way up high
High rate.
Vim and other interested parties. I qualify for high rate although most of my career to date, spent as a groundie. Lost some money in the high rate - middle rate faff last month, but have been assured that it will return this month. Simply the fact that JPA does not recognise 18 years as the higher rate start point!
I'll wait until the re-payment is in the bank until I am a believer!!
I'll wait until the re-payment is in the bank until I am a believer!!
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From: Shrops
Well, the Sunday Express has got a hold of this today (25 June) and its their front page headline
ANGER AS OUR BOYS GO UNPAID.
The storyline tells of log-in woes, messed up pay, problems getting access, and a bunch of soundbite quotes taken from (ahem) internet forums
There's even the tale of a girly recruit at RTS Halton who wasn't paid and didn't have the £2 neeeded to get her kit washed (bless).
And from the offcial reply...
"Blah, new system, a few minor problems blah, areas that could be better, no greater problems than we had previously"
Rather predictable really.
Mind you, seeing as the Express group of papers seems hell bent on making a complete arse of itself as 90% of it other headlines relate to the death of Princess Diana, I'm not sure that having them onside regarding JPA is a help or a hindernace.
ANGER AS OUR BOYS GO UNPAID.
The storyline tells of log-in woes, messed up pay, problems getting access, and a bunch of soundbite quotes taken from (ahem) internet forums
There's even the tale of a girly recruit at RTS Halton who wasn't paid and didn't have the £2 neeeded to get her kit washed (bless).
And from the offcial reply...
"Blah, new system, a few minor problems blah, areas that could be better, no greater problems than we had previously"
Rather predictable really.
Mind you, seeing as the Express group of papers seems hell bent on making a complete arse of itself as 90% of it other headlines relate to the death of Princess Diana, I'm not sure that having them onside regarding JPA is a help or a hindernace.
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From: UK
Had a slightly puzzling experience on Friday afternoon with JPA...
Midway through last month, not long after the b____y system started being accessible, the second thing I did on it was to fill out my posting preferences; looked at them since and all was OK. Checked them on Friday, as a mate only found out his posting (on promotion) when he stumbled across his employment location, and noticed the difference. (PSF didn't even know apparently!) Anyway, on checking my preferences, I found that the whole section had been completely erased, and certainly not by me.
Could anyone with a bit of knowledge suggest why, or has anyone else seen this? Bit of a bugger as I'm waiting on the results of a promotion board, and assuming I would be successful, that lack of data could have seen me go anywhere! (probably would have done anyway!)
JG
Midway through last month, not long after the b____y system started being accessible, the second thing I did on it was to fill out my posting preferences; looked at them since and all was OK. Checked them on Friday, as a mate only found out his posting (on promotion) when he stumbled across his employment location, and noticed the difference. (PSF didn't even know apparently!) Anyway, on checking my preferences, I found that the whole section had been completely erased, and certainly not by me.
Could anyone with a bit of knowledge suggest why, or has anyone else seen this? Bit of a bugger as I'm waiting on the results of a promotion board, and assuming I would be successful, that lack of data could have seen me go anywhere! (probably would have done anyway!)
JG
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From: Wiltshire
Spin, no real answer, deceit or lies?
In the piece in the Sunday Express, the MOD spokesman, a serving senior officer, rather than just saying that there were on-going problems and that the system was working hard to sort them out asap came up with dross.
"disgruntled people out there because it is a change" People are disgruntled because they have not been paid properly and there is no guarantee or timescale in which it will be sorted.
"It has not been as smooth as perhaps we would have liked but it has only been three months" Nothing to do with as we would have liked - Why not as well as we had expected and tried to ensure - Beta testing with salaries is inexcusable.
Äs far as I am aware, we are not incurring any greater problems with pay than we had previously" Really!!!!! Is this spin or based on a bit of homework? Prove it with stats. In three decades I have known individuals to have the occassional problem with allowances but very rarely with basic salary.
These are the sort of quotes I have come to expect from spin doctors not leaders. It's time leaders of this sort reviewed where their duties lie.
In the piece in the Sunday Express, the MOD spokesman, a serving senior officer, rather than just saying that there were on-going problems and that the system was working hard to sort them out asap came up with dross.
"disgruntled people out there because it is a change" People are disgruntled because they have not been paid properly and there is no guarantee or timescale in which it will be sorted.
"It has not been as smooth as perhaps we would have liked but it has only been three months" Nothing to do with as we would have liked - Why not as well as we had expected and tried to ensure - Beta testing with salaries is inexcusable.
Äs far as I am aware, we are not incurring any greater problems with pay than we had previously" Really!!!!! Is this spin or based on a bit of homework? Prove it with stats. In three decades I have known individuals to have the occassional problem with allowances but very rarely with basic salary.
These are the sort of quotes I have come to expect from spin doctors not leaders. It's time leaders of this sort reviewed where their duties lie.
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From: UK
Originally Posted by oldfella
These are the sort of quotes I have come to expect from spin doctors not leaders. It's time leaders of this sort reviewed where their duties lie.
k that up as well!
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From: UK
This is the conversation that should have happened at media control central:
"You want me to say what to the papers? I think not Sir, I'll ring my poster on Monday."
Not:
"Absolutely sir, the Microsoft defence will work every time - blame the users for not knowing how to use an already flawed and under performing system. I'm sure no-one will worry about me calling them imbeciles and luddites. Promotion sir? I'd be delighted."
It's called integrity, something this particular Senior Officer clearly has little of.
Then again CAS thinks JPA is a good example of NEC in non-operational systems - if that's the case God help us when we get NEC in operational systems.
"You want me to say what to the papers? I think not Sir, I'll ring my poster on Monday."
Not:
"Absolutely sir, the Microsoft defence will work every time - blame the users for not knowing how to use an already flawed and under performing system. I'm sure no-one will worry about me calling them imbeciles and luddites. Promotion sir? I'd be delighted."
It's called integrity, something this particular Senior Officer clearly has little of.
Then again CAS thinks JPA is a good example of NEC in non-operational systems - if that's the case God help us when we get NEC in operational systems.
