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Having just seen this months pay statement on JPA (at least the computers seem to have been working quite quickly) and yet again for the third month no flying pay. I am banging my head against a brick wall speaking to the JPA line - I am being told that it is being sorted, but now I am nearly 2000 GBP out of pocket.
I am not able to spend much time chasing this at the moment due to work rate on a course. What is the official complaints procedure mentioned? I was given an address to write to , but is there an e-mail address I can write to? The complaints procedure does not seem to be well advertised.
Maybe redress is the only way forward??
I am not able to spend much time chasing this at the moment due to work rate on a course. What is the official complaints procedure mentioned? I was given an address to write to , but is there an e-mail address I can write to? The complaints procedure does not seem to be well advertised.
Maybe redress is the only way forward??
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Like everyone on this thread I have again checked the Jul pay roll and yet again since Feb this year I have not been paid my due daily rate of pay. Had a nice talk with my Flt Cmdr today about my 1001, along the lines of "Let me talk to OC PSF tonight" Well it has now got beyond that I like everyone on this thread want what is owed to us all pompey Sailer, thanks for your advice, the 1001 is still winging its way to Harry the Staish now as it is Jul and 5 Months is quite enough. Oh yes it may seem like teaching you all to suck eggs, but don't forget when you finally receive your much deserved back pay for flying pay etc.. dont forget to Gen App for the interest that it would have gathered if you had placed it in another (High Interest) account... I am 
you are quite within your rights to do this... As Pompey Sailor said before, I think those in JPA Towers are now at loss, and we are all about to fall by the way side in favour of getting the kit together for our other service people, Ah well Could be worse, I could be an Israeli Conscript 
Bet they never brought into JPA
you are quite within your rights to do this... As Pompey Sailor said before, I think those in JPA Towers are now at loss, and we are all about to fall by the way side in favour of getting the kit together for our other service people, Ah well Could be worse, I could be an Israeli Conscript Bet they never brought into JPA
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saw pay chit online, have changed over to PAS this month, but still getting flying pay and have no idea how they worked out the basic pay. Also doesnt tell you what level they have inserted you at, so I guess more time on the phone on monday. Wouldnt be so bad, but spoke to them a few weeks ago trying to prevent this all happening, still good to see the Group Captain responsible for JPA got an OBE, at everyone else's expense. I really do think the way the pay chit is presented is very poor with minuses and pluses all on the deductions side. Leaves me wondering whats been taken off and what hasn't until i get the calculator out and try to make it fit the total deductions. Anyone else think its presented poorly?
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Mine has never been anything less than two chits long...I end up sat at my desk staring at it for an hour or so until most of it makes sense.
My pay came in correct last month and I was paid some back pay/money owed...trouble is I've no idea what is right anymore. I'm could well be owed more but the pay chits are so coded.
My pay came in correct last month and I was paid some back pay/money owed...trouble is I've no idea what is right anymore. I'm could well be owed more but the pay chits are so coded.
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Be intersting to see what they are planning to pay someone who is degree-level educated to be a Payroll Technical/Functional Specialist.
Perhaps from that we can assess whether the applicants are more likely to have a first in maths/computer science from Cambridge, or a 3rd in Aircraft Modelling from the local super-duper-academy-technical-specialist-college that New Labour opened to keep people in educayshun and therefore youth unemployment figures down.
Be intersting to see what they are planning to pay someone who is degree-level educated to be a Payroll Technical/Functional Specialist.
Perhaps from that we can assess whether the applicants are more likely to have a first in maths/computer science from Cambridge, or a 3rd in Aircraft Modelling from the local super-duper-academy-technical-specialist-college that New Labour opened to keep people in educayshun and therefore youth unemployment figures down.
I'm deployed OOA for 6 months to a location where we have no access to JPA. This is my first month away, so will I get LOA and LSSA that's due? When (if) I get paid, because I can't get to JPA, I will have no idea whether the pay is right or not. For some reason, I got 800 gbp paid into my account by HMG this month - I have no idea why; I rang back to my home unit to ask, and of course they can't access my JPA account so couldn't tell me. Will the error (I suspect it is an error!) be deducted this month? God knows...
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Originally Posted by Vim_Fuego
Mine has never been anything less than two chits long...I end up sat at my desk staring at it for an hour or so until most of it makes sense.
My pay came in correct last month and I was paid some back pay/money owed...trouble is I've no idea what is right anymore. I'm could well be owed more but the pay chits are so coded.
My pay came in correct last month and I was paid some back pay/money owed...trouble is I've no idea what is right anymore. I'm could well be owed more but the pay chits are so coded.
Just to say that all the problems that occurred over the past 3 months, that they paid up for in Junes pay packet, are now back in July's pay packet...
I also hear on the grapevine that they are not going to rectify it until Augusts pay packet....
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JPA - Reducing operational output
4 Hours! That's the amount of time I have spent submitting one claim today when I have a proper job to do, actually it's 3 jobs due to gapping and deployment, but I spent 4 hours either typing and clicking through the myriad of options, on the phone to PSF - sorry HR - or swearing through sheer frustration. Advice from HR was to try it later after normal working hours, or to come in early tomorow. Add to this that 2 other officers in my office have spent a similar amount of time submitting claims, or helping each other with understanding the admin maze that is JPA, that's about 12 hours' work that hasn't been done. Do I tell them not to try and submit claims when there's work to be done? There is operational output, but there are the needs of the individual too.Hopefully someone might take notice of the immense frustration. We are supposed to be warfighters, but when you say 'warfighters' you don't get an image of our modern-day gladiators stuck at a very slow computer screen trying to work out what gobbledygook claim they should submit.
Bring back the F1171 so that we can write the claim and then get on with our core work whilst it is processed.
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I can certainly mirror your feeling and problems. My days are numbered but even so trying to work my way through claims is a nightmare. No one is interested or even bothered...!!! But hey...what the hell, in days im a civvy and the backlash from taking 'those in authority' to court will be negligable for me. I wonder how many Chief clerks and OC A'S will end up with 'credit rating' problems after court judgements are made against them. Just a thought.
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I wonder how many Chief clerks and OC A'S will end up with 'credit rating' problems after court judgements are made against them.
That said, it would be fun to use www.moneyclaim.gov.uk to get what is owed to you
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I do believe 'crown' immunity was removed some years back, so the faceless answer of its the 'MOD' fault will not wear.In fact that answer is all to common amongst senior position holders and as such is a get out clause which allows them to duck the responsibilty of their decisions. In a way it will be interesting to see who they pass the court summons too...maybe it will be a catalyst for change when every unit has their OC A and Chief Clerk attending court on the same day.
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Actually, I am not bothered about the court aspects, I just want our office to be able to concentrate on our important job whilst the admin task runs alongside, not to the detriment of all else.
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I wonder how many units are listing JPA amongst the 'things affecting operational output' on the brief to their AOCs prior to the AFVs? I've seen a few recently that have - and I gather people on the ground are being fairly frank when asked for comment. Tell it like it is - this is the worst blow to quality of life for personnel since....... (thinks hard, beads of sweat on brow.....) DCS15 screwed up our medical services. 
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JPA - Overseas Payments to Bank
Just been advised that payments for those serving in Europe, no payments have been made to the overseas bank account ...................
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Flight Safety - its everyones responsibility
My apologies if this subject has been covered before but I think it needs saying and putting in the public domain.
How long will it be before an airman, say on frontline Sqn, with his pay all messed up causing them some distress because he has mortgage and children etc, makes a mistake causing a flight safety incident or god forbid we lose an aircraft?
It would never happen in the old days - If there was a mess up in pay the Chief Clerk could authorise cash in hand immediately to cover short fall and help Johnny airman feed his children - they cant anymore.
Human factors are an important part of our management culture now and therefore this JPA debacle needs addressing. It causes hours away from the primary task when we are breaking point and the stress will affect flight safety be it from a maintainer’s perspective or aircrew. I accept we are all professional - but we are also human!
How long will it be before an airman, say on frontline Sqn, with his pay all messed up causing them some distress because he has mortgage and children etc, makes a mistake causing a flight safety incident or god forbid we lose an aircraft?
It would never happen in the old days - If there was a mess up in pay the Chief Clerk could authorise cash in hand immediately to cover short fall and help Johnny airman feed his children - they cant anymore.
Human factors are an important part of our management culture now and therefore this JPA debacle needs addressing. It causes hours away from the primary task when we are breaking point and the stress will affect flight safety be it from a maintainer’s perspective or aircrew. I accept we are all professional - but we are also human!
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Yep, just heard from a mate serving in Germany that NOBODY has been paid this month.
What a crock of sh1t this is
I've just returned from Op Highbrow (Beirut Airlift) which was my first time on a JPA-Run Flight Sub Imprest.
What an abortion. Those who have the isfortune of running said imprests nowadays have my deepest sympathies.
This particular TL had 17 people on his FSI which must be nothing short of a nightmare.
I remember the old days of FSI which seemed fine to me, then the abortion of 'actuals' (anyone remember Gander during Purple Star in '96 and the amount of Combination Platters on the bar in 'Reflections'?
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This new system is a joke, as is everything and anything to do with JPA that I personally have had the misfortune to have seen (over 700 quid owed to me in claims - sorry, expenses) since April. The first few hundred quid has filtered into my bank account so I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.
When will it be admitted the system is flawed, peoples lives are being adversely affected, and eat humble pie and admit mistakes were made, apologies made, and lets get back to the (not quite now in retrospect) bad old days...
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What a crock of sh1t this is
I've just returned from Op Highbrow (Beirut Airlift) which was my first time on a JPA-Run Flight Sub Imprest.
What an abortion. Those who have the isfortune of running said imprests nowadays have my deepest sympathies.
This particular TL had 17 people on his FSI which must be nothing short of a nightmare.
I remember the old days of FSI which seemed fine to me, then the abortion of 'actuals' (anyone remember Gander during Purple Star in '96 and the amount of Combination Platters on the bar in 'Reflections'?
)This new system is a joke, as is everything and anything to do with JPA that I personally have had the misfortune to have seen (over 700 quid owed to me in claims - sorry, expenses) since April. The first few hundred quid has filtered into my bank account so I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.
When will it be admitted the system is flawed, peoples lives are being adversely affected, and eat humble pie and admit mistakes were made, apologies made, and lets get back to the (not quite now in retrospect) bad old days...
CC
Which makes things a bit of a mockery for anyone who has PVR'd and still has a RAFResO commitment.
You are supposed to give your details to Binnsworth if you change your address. But if they faff with JPA and 'lose you', then trying to call-out reservist officers when Blair has another war in some far flung $hithole is going to be...............difficult.
As ye sow, so shall ye reap, dickheads of JPA!
You are supposed to give your details to Binnsworth if you change your address. But if they faff with JPA and 'lose you', then trying to call-out reservist officers when Blair has another war in some far flung $hithole is going to be...............difficult.
As ye sow, so shall ye reap, dickheads of JPA!
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Originally Posted by BEagle
Which makes things a bit of a mockery for anyone who has PVR'd and still has a RAFResO commitment.
You are supposed to give your details to Binnsworth if you change your address. But if they faff with JPA and 'lose you', then trying to call-out reservist officers when Blair has another war in some far flung $hithole is going to be...............difficult.
As ye sow, so shall ye reap, dickheads of JPA!
You are supposed to give your details to Binnsworth if you change your address. But if they faff with JPA and 'lose you', then trying to call-out reservist officers when Blair has another war in some far flung $hithole is going to be...............difficult.
As ye sow, so shall ye reap, dickheads of JPA!