JSF to Lossie, MR4A to Kinloss
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Runway too short for STOVL? Exactly how long are these carriers going to be?!
[....oh for a hook and some 
wires......dumdedumdedum]
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Jacko - you can't sell off Wittering - it's loaned to the Air Ministry by the Duke of Rutland or somesuch and the agreement says "IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RETURNED TO IT'S ORIGINAL CONDITION" (i.e. Arable Farmland) if the requirement for the loan finished. One suspects that would be *just* a little pricey
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It probably matters not where the bases are, PMA will probably continue to post us 'Porage Wogs' to deepest Englandshire while the Sassunachs bump their gums at ISL and ISK.
Yours
Angus Porage-Wog
Jockistan
Mmmmmm Tasty! 
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"Runway too short for STOVL? Exactly how long are these carriers going to be?!"
Or does it suggest which F-35 variant, and thus which carrier configuration, the UK will be getting...............
"Runway too short for STOVL? Exactly how long are these carriers going to be?!"
Or does it suggest which F-35 variant, and thus which carrier configuration, the UK will be getting...............
The paragraphs below are quoted from one of my posts on the Sea Jet thread. No, this is not a hijack - honest!
There are many reasons for low morale in a unit. I put it to you that within 801, the fact that the squadron is soon to be disbanded and the move to Cott/Witt probably has a lot to do with it.
Hmm. Interesting. When the SDR was announced in '98, and the Sea Harrier force came under RAF control, I feared that the Navy's needs (such as air defence and anti ship strike) would be forgotten.
When the decision to move the Sea Jet force to Cott/Witt was announced, I suspected that the WAFUs wouldn't like it and PVR etc. My suspicions were confirmed both in the media and by personal contacts. I took the extreme step of writing to my MP over it. Adam Ingram MP, however, was adament that there was no such issue. This letter arrived less than a week before the decision to retire the Sea Harrier was taken, yet it gave no clues.
Can't help thinking I was right on both counts!
Not so many years ago there was an article in Navy News tht confidently predicted that the Sea Harrier would remain at Yeovilton until 2012 ish, then the JSF would be based there. And then along came the politicians.
RNAS Yeovilton - Potential severe noise impact/short runway/too far from training areas.
Noise impact? Bollox!
Short Runway? For a V/STOL aircraft? And it's not that short is it?
Too far from training areas? Apart from the air to air training areas over the South West and the Bristol Channel...
A Government spokesperson said "We only care about ourselves and out majority...."
There are many reasons for low morale in a unit. I put it to you that within 801, the fact that the squadron is soon to be disbanded and the move to Cott/Witt probably has a lot to do with it.
Hmm. Interesting. When the SDR was announced in '98, and the Sea Harrier force came under RAF control, I feared that the Navy's needs (such as air defence and anti ship strike) would be forgotten.
When the decision to move the Sea Jet force to Cott/Witt was announced, I suspected that the WAFUs wouldn't like it and PVR etc. My suspicions were confirmed both in the media and by personal contacts. I took the extreme step of writing to my MP over it. Adam Ingram MP, however, was adament that there was no such issue. This letter arrived less than a week before the decision to retire the Sea Harrier was taken, yet it gave no clues.
Can't help thinking I was right on both counts!
Not so many years ago there was an article in Navy News tht confidently predicted that the Sea Harrier would remain at Yeovilton until 2012 ish, then the JSF would be based there. And then along came the politicians.
RNAS Yeovilton - Potential severe noise impact/short runway/too far from training areas.
Noise impact? Bollox!
Short Runway? For a V/STOL aircraft? And it's not that short is it?
Too far from training areas? Apart from the air to air training areas over the South West and the Bristol Channel...
A Government spokesperson said "We only care about ourselves and out majority...."
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God can you not help but mention the SHAR!
God can you not help but mention the SHAR!
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Step away from the Sea Harrier WEBF, its over. Let it go.
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Was Lossie not previously RNAS?
Why is it, in todays changing environment, essential to keep the Nimrod at ISK and fighters at Leuchars? Apparently the threat from round the corner has gone! So for once, apply common sense and base the new aircraft at locations that suit the tasking.
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Why is it that people(Washington) continue to knock Scotland?Lossie is a beautiful part of the world and some,if not the best low flying available,is on the doorstep.Add to that the best range in the country nearby,quality of life,clean air,great whisky,what more could a guy ask for.
How long is it since you visited this part of the country,a bloody long time ago from the sounds of things!!40 mins drive to Inverness which is or certainly was the fastest growing city in the UK ,a fine albeit small airport with links to all the major London airports.A great shopping centre with 24hr supermarkets.
And then there is always the numerous fine golf courses,for those that way inclined,great fishing,Aviemore for the skiing,when snow permits and the new resort there is coming along very nicely.
I was posted up here in the late 80's and have settled here permanently.Negative comments,whether in jest or not,don't help alleviate the worries a lot will have about possible relocation in the future.
I am just thankfull that Scotland has finally won something and that we aint as short sighted up here.Yes I am sad for the bases that have lost out down south but their loss is Scotlands gain.
Rant over.
PS.I'm English!!
How long is it since you visited this part of the country,a bloody long time ago from the sounds of things!!40 mins drive to Inverness which is or certainly was the fastest growing city in the UK ,a fine albeit small airport with links to all the major London airports.A great shopping centre with 24hr supermarkets.
And then there is always the numerous fine golf courses,for those that way inclined,great fishing,Aviemore for the skiing,when snow permits and the new resort there is coming along very nicely.
I was posted up here in the late 80's and have settled here permanently.Negative comments,whether in jest or not,don't help alleviate the worries a lot will have about possible relocation in the future.
I am just thankfull that Scotland has finally won something and that we aint as short sighted up here.Yes I am sad for the bases that have lost out down south but their loss is Scotlands gain.
Rant over.
PS.I'm English!!
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Rhetorical mode on:
So where will CVF be based? Portsmouth!
Distance from Lossie to Pompey = 600 miles give or take.
Rhetorical mode off:
Does this mean that to deploy to the carriers JCA/JSF will need to tank?
Rant mode on:
I see the scottish mafia have torpedoed the MOD once again, yeh wunt teh fight a wur lads? Aye ok jest soo lung as we keep oor arses wipt by teh Labour paarrteh.
One of these days the powers will be will want help out of the cack and there will be no one left.
A decision to rival any by General Melchett, baah!
Words fail me
So where will CVF be based? Portsmouth!
Distance from Lossie to Pompey = 600 miles give or take.
Rhetorical mode off:
Does this mean that to deploy to the carriers JCA/JSF will need to tank?
Rant mode on:
I see the scottish mafia have torpedoed the MOD once again, yeh wunt teh fight a wur lads? Aye ok jest soo lung as we keep oor arses wipt by teh Labour paarrteh.
One of these days the powers will be will want help out of the cack and there will be no one left.
A decision to rival any by General Melchett, baah!
Words fail me
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Ranger,
If the song is to be believed, the four and twenty virgins have long since departed Inverness for Southern climes, so what is the point of the place now apart from it being a convenient 11 hr train ride away from London? It's not as if commerical air travel is the most convenient form of transport. As for golf, I don't own a set of career sticks since I never had the patience and lets be honest, it's not as if the Home Counties lack such facilities.
(EDIT) So, in your opinion an 86 mile round trip is an acceptable distance for a trip to Tesco? Fair enough mate, whatever floats your boat.
If the song is to be believed, the four and twenty virgins have long since departed Inverness for Southern climes, so what is the point of the place now apart from it being a convenient 11 hr train ride away from London? It's not as if commerical air travel is the most convenient form of transport. As for golf, I don't own a set of career sticks since I never had the patience and lets be honest, it's not as if the Home Counties lack such facilities.
(EDIT) So, in your opinion an 86 mile round trip is an acceptable distance for a trip to Tesco? Fair enough mate, whatever floats your boat.
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Trains are way to expensive when you can fly to London for £100 return,a lot cheaper if you book in advance.I got a flight not long ago with BMI for £42 return and that was to Heathrow.If you want to get somewhere in a decent time,there are always ways and means.11hrs by train!!not me,only took me 8hrs to fly back from Bosnia routing through Austria and London.
Elgin has a perfectly good Tesco and Asda for that matter,was referring only to 24hr shopping as stated.
Everyone has their opinions,was just stating my own unbiased view.Really can't see what all the bad vibes are about.Inverness BTW has some top totty,a fair few pubs open till 3am(during the week as well),a cracking nightclub and try telling the thousands of southerners who have already relocated that there is no point to Inverness.Maybe your a smog and grime man?
Elgin has a perfectly good Tesco and Asda for that matter,was referring only to 24hr shopping as stated.
Everyone has their opinions,was just stating my own unbiased view.Really can't see what all the bad vibes are about.Inverness BTW has some top totty,a fair few pubs open till 3am(during the week as well),a cracking nightclub and try telling the thousands of southerners who have already relocated that there is no point to Inverness.Maybe your a smog and grime man?
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The distance from a base to the carriers home port is irrelevant. As you may be aware the carrier sometimes leaves port and goes elsewhere, so it doesn't matter a jot if Lossie isn't near Pompey if the boat is somewhere in the Indian Ocean.
It seems as though this is turning into a bit of an anti-Scotland thread rather than discussing the original point. Fair play, if you don't want to live there then that's fine, but there are plenty of people who don't want to live in Lincs or E Anglia. Why the bitterness about 3 bases in Scotland staying open? I'm rather more disappointed about the ones that we are losing.
It could be a lot worse....
It seems as though this is turning into a bit of an anti-Scotland thread rather than discussing the original point. Fair play, if you don't want to live there then that's fine, but there are plenty of people who don't want to live in Lincs or E Anglia. Why the bitterness about 3 bases in Scotland staying open? I'm rather more disappointed about the ones that we are losing.
It could be a lot worse....
So, JCA to Lossiemouth, where are all the Tonkas going to go then? Isn't the place chokka block with them and Marham stuffed full of folk doing Tonka Depth work, using all 5 hangars if RAF News propaganda rag is to be believed..................
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"When, exactly, did the primary purpose of HM Forces become being a subsidy and de facto jobs programme for rural backwaters whose only notable assets are lots of big rocks and thousands of sheep?"
Since the labour government got in, it seems to me.
Since the labour government got in, it seems to me.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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Pr00ne: So, JCA to Lossiemouth, where are all the Tonkas going to go then?
Just down the road:
At a press conference at RAF Lossiemouth, Group Captain Russ Torbet, Station Commander at RAF Lossiemouth said....that as RAF Lossiemouth began to build up the Joint Combat Aircraft they would relocate at least some of the base’s Tornado GR4s based at the station to RAF Kinloss from around 2013.
Just down the road:
At a press conference at RAF Lossiemouth, Group Captain Russ Torbet, Station Commander at RAF Lossiemouth said....that as RAF Lossiemouth began to build up the Joint Combat Aircraft they would relocate at least some of the base’s Tornado GR4s based at the station to RAF Kinloss from around 2013.