US Army Warrants
Echo.....seems there was at least one back in 1776 or so...unless you put it down to the Germans in the form of the Hessians.
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SASless,
After a huge plateful of pork & leek & mash washed down with a rather pleasant Californian white I am quite prepared to thank you for the banter and call it a draw.
1776 ? Couldn't have been New World so must have been French. Never mind eh !!
After a huge plateful of pork & leek & mash washed down with a rather pleasant Californian white I am quite prepared to thank you for the banter and call it a draw.
1776 ? Couldn't have been New World so must have been French. Never mind eh !!
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5. Crop rotation in the 14th century was particularly widespread after.....?
But there again you'd expect me to know that!
btw it's considerably more not particularly
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NEIL: [Reading from the notebook] "Prick is a wonker. Signed, the rest of the class."
RICK: Ah, yes, now, that was a sort of "in joke" that we had in my form. Actually, I was incredibly popular and everyone thought I was great.
NEIL: "...I agree with the rest of the class. Signed, Teacher."
RICK: Just test me on the stuff, will you? [Indicating a different page] There!
NEIL: Alright, alright, don't get uncool and heavy. "Crop rotation in the 14th century..."
RICK: Right. [reciting] "Crop rotation in the 14th century was much more widespread..."
NEIL: "Considerably".
RICK: What?
NEIL: It's "considerably more widespread", not "much more".
RICK: Well?
NEIL: Well, you said, "do it properly."
RICK: Well, not that much, you stupid bloody hippie!
NEIL: You said, "do it properly and don't skip bits!" How was I to know that wasn't important?
RICK: Well it wasn't important, alright? Shall we just get on and stop wasting time like this? Right. "Crop rotation in the 14th century was _considerably_ more widespread...after..." God, I know this...don't tell me..."after 1172." [Neil is s ilent] Well, was I right?
NEIL: No, but I didn't think it was important.
RICK: Well, what was it, then?
NEIL: You just said not to tell you.
RICK: I bloody well did not!
NEIL: Yes you did! You said, "Don't tell me" just before you said, "1172."
RICK: But I only meant for a minute!
NEIL: What, a minute from now, or a minute from then?
RICK: Look, just shut up and tell me the answer!
NEIL: Shut up AND tell you the answer?
RICK: JUST TELL ME THE ANSWER!
NEIL: John.
RICK: Thank you..."John"?
NEIL: Yeah, "John" is the answer.
RICK: "Crop rotation in the 14th century was considerably more widespread after John?
NEIL: "...Lloyd invented the patent crop rotator."
RICK: Oh, yes, I knew it, I bloody knew it!
NEIL: You didn't, you didn't, you said "1172"! That's not a bit like "John".
RICK: [hysterical] You spiteful bastard, Neil! Just because you've done loads and loads of work for this, just because you're a creepy little swot you've done about 15 million tons of work for this, like a girl, and I'm so hard and street and cool that I've done absolutely bugger all, and you've done loads, look at it, loads and loads, loads and loads... [he starts making a mess of Neil's papers]
NEIL: Stop it, Rick! It's only University Challenge, Rick, it's only University Challenge!
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New_WO1
Have a look here
And keep on pulling pud; it makes you go blind. In that state, you won't be able to see who salutes you - if indeed any one does. End of problem. Hallelujah!
Have a look here
And keep on pulling pud; it makes you go blind. In that state, you won't be able to see who salutes you - if indeed any one does. End of problem. Hallelujah!
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Damn abd blast
Thanks Toxteth O'Grady
Attention to detail was always a problem of mine
Anyway, I thought I had formally closed this thread having declared a glorious victory over those people who think warrant officers should be saluted?
Attention to detail was always a problem of mine
Anyway, I thought I had formally closed this thread having declared a glorious victory over those people who think warrant officers should be saluted?
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New WO1 - I note your failure to answer my subsidiary question but hope that you're not going to be holding your breath while waiting for a salute from other warrant officers.
In reality, this debate is not really down to any fault on your part - the US seems to have invented a rank/position that is at odds with common practice among the rest of the world. I'm reminded of a classic seaside postcard that depicts a proud mother watching her son in a march-past and declaring to her husband "Oh look George, our Billy is the only one in-step"........ If Leichtenstein suddenly declared that its Corporal rank was, in their eyes, higher than the lowest officer rank of any other nation, would you be willing to salute that ethos? If so, then what about the N. Korean or Iranian military? In my view, some of the pro-New WO1 advocates on this thread typify the arrogance that loses an otherwise great nation a lot of respect among the world community - and there lies the root of most of our current problems (but is that another thread?).
DD - not smiling anymore 'cos the "banter" stinks.....
In reality, this debate is not really down to any fault on your part - the US seems to have invented a rank/position that is at odds with common practice among the rest of the world. I'm reminded of a classic seaside postcard that depicts a proud mother watching her son in a march-past and declaring to her husband "Oh look George, our Billy is the only one in-step"........ If Leichtenstein suddenly declared that its Corporal rank was, in their eyes, higher than the lowest officer rank of any other nation, would you be willing to salute that ethos? If so, then what about the N. Korean or Iranian military? In my view, some of the pro-New WO1 advocates on this thread typify the arrogance that loses an otherwise great nation a lot of respect among the world community - and there lies the root of most of our current problems (but is that another thread?).
DD - not smiling anymore 'cos the "banter" stinks.....
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DD
Yes, it might not be common practice amongst the rest of us but the counter might be that they have more WOs than the rest of us have of any other equivalent ranks put together.
I have a number of friends who hold WO rank (1 - 5) and all of them have my respect.
New_WO1
Don't push it, mate.
In reality, this debate is not really down to any fault on your part - the US seems to have invented a rank/position that is at odds with common practice among the rest of the world.
I have a number of friends who hold WO rank (1 - 5) and all of them have my respect.
New_WO1
Do you expect to be saluted by non-US Warrant Officers?
If they are enlisted then yes.
If they are enlisted then yes.
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DuaneDibley,
" DD - not smiling anymore 'cos the "banter" stinks....."
Some of us have tried to lighten up the banter because we recognise what an egotistical git this New_WO1 really is. If he isn't a Troll then he is something akin and the only way to deal with it is to ignore him. Every time someone replies to one of his posts only goes to dignify his existance. It should stop now.
" DD - not smiling anymore 'cos the "banter" stinks....."
Some of us have tried to lighten up the banter because we recognise what an egotistical git this New_WO1 really is. If he isn't a Troll then he is something akin and the only way to deal with it is to ignore him. Every time someone replies to one of his posts only goes to dignify his existance. It should stop now.
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A little off thread I know, but would the British Armed Forces allow a British WO to have a relationship with a US WO??
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New WO1,
An interesting thread. As an ex British Army Warrant Officer, I can tell you that despite serving with the US Forces many times and spending some time at Fort Lewis in Washington State, I have never saluted a US Army Warrant Officer of any grade.
I have never been subject to the US Military Code of Conduct, I was at all times subject to Queens Regulations for the Army (if interested, you can download it on the net from our MOD website).
For your information, I will post here exactly what that says in respect to paying compliments (saluting):
I think that is quite clear. Just to put things in perspective, most of the gentlemen you have been trolling on here, as UK commisioned officers, would have earnt a salute from myself by right - you would not. Had one of them told me to salute you, I would have questioned his/her sanity, but carried out their order.
Our RAF and RN have their own versions of Queens Regulations, they will say basically the same thing as the Army version. So it's plainly down to local commanders, had my CO at the time required compliments to be paid, they would have. Perhaps this is why people are not paying you compliments ???
An interesting thread. As an ex British Army Warrant Officer, I can tell you that despite serving with the US Forces many times and spending some time at Fort Lewis in Washington State, I have never saluted a US Army Warrant Officer of any grade.
I have never been subject to the US Military Code of Conduct, I was at all times subject to Queens Regulations for the Army (if interested, you can download it on the net from our MOD website).
For your information, I will post here exactly what that says in respect to paying compliments (saluting):
THE QUEEN'S REGULATIONS FOR THE ARMY 1975, Chapter 8, PART 3 - HONOURS, SALUTES AND COMPLIMENTS:
8.057.
a. Warrant officers, NCOs and soldiers are to salute all commissioned officers who they know to be such, whether in uniform or not, including officers of the Royal Navy, Royal Marines and Royal Air Force, Warrant officers, NCOs and soldiers are to salute with the right hand. Where from physical incapacity a right hand salute is impossible, the salute is to be given with the left hand.
b. NCOs and soldiers are to address warrant officers in the same manner as for officers, but are not to salute them.
8.057.
a. Warrant officers, NCOs and soldiers are to salute all commissioned officers who they know to be such, whether in uniform or not, including officers of the Royal Navy, Royal Marines and Royal Air Force, Warrant officers, NCOs and soldiers are to salute with the right hand. Where from physical incapacity a right hand salute is impossible, the salute is to be given with the left hand.
b. NCOs and soldiers are to address warrant officers in the same manner as for officers, but are not to salute them.
Our RAF and RN have their own versions of Queens Regulations, they will say basically the same thing as the Army version. So it's plainly down to local commanders, had my CO at the time required compliments to be paid, they would have. Perhaps this is why people are not paying you compliments ???
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So you wouldn't regard a US Warrant Officer as an Officer even though the US Government does?
'Officer ranks in the United States military consist of commissioned officers and warrant officers.
Warrant officers hold warrants from their service secretary and are specialists and experts in certain military technologies or capabilities. The lowest ranking warrant officers serve under a warrant, but they receive commissions from the president upon promotion to chief warrant officer 2. These commissioned warrant officers are direct representatives of the president of the United States. They derive their authority from the same source as commissioned officers but remain specialists, in contrast to commissioned officers, who are generalists. '
And you wouldn't salute a Chief Warrant Officer even though he holds a commission from the US President?
So you wouldn't regard a US Warrant Officer as an Officer even though the US Government does?
'Officer ranks in the United States military consist of commissioned officers and warrant officers.
Warrant officers hold warrants from their service secretary and are specialists and experts in certain military technologies or capabilities. The lowest ranking warrant officers serve under a warrant, but they receive commissions from the president upon promotion to chief warrant officer 2. These commissioned warrant officers are direct representatives of the president of the United States. They derive their authority from the same source as commissioned officers but remain specialists, in contrast to commissioned officers, who are generalists. '
And you wouldn't salute a Chief Warrant Officer even though he holds a commission from the US President?
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"And you wouldn't salute a Chief Warrant Officer even though he holds a commission from the US President?"
Considering there are hardly any rational thinking folks on the planet, including a huge swathe of your own country men who don't think your Commander in Chief is a complete fe@kin bufoon, why does it come as a great surprise to you that the "Mickey Mouse" rank he has given you is not getting the respect you had obviously dreamed of from this side of the Atlantic
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
"And you wouldn't salute a Chief Warrant Officer even though he holds a commission from the US President?"
Considering there are hardly any rational thinking folks on the planet, including a huge swathe of your own country men who don't think your Commander in Chief is a complete fe@kin bufoon, why does it come as a great surprise to you that the "Mickey Mouse" rank he has given you is not getting the respect you had obviously dreamed of from this side of the Atlantic
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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New WO1,
The fact that your uniform code requires your enlisted men to pay you a compliment is a requirement of your code. I've explained to you that British servicemen are not subject to your code, they are subject to the Queens Regulations that appertain to their service - nothing else. It is quite clear in those regulations that we do not salute Warrant Officers.
If anybody in the British armed forces is required to salute you, it will be as a result of a local British commander agreeing to that.
The NATO Status of Forces agreement between the British & U.S. Governments did not require me, or any other British serviceman at the time to salute you. This was 10 years ago, but the copy of Queens Regulations I have quoted you, that you can download yourself if you wish, has not changed.
If someone has misled you to think otherwise, then perhaps you should go back to that person for an explanation; I think it's quite clear from this thread that apart from the banter, no British commissioned officer agrees with you - these are the men that would have to enforce it.
The fact that your uniform code requires your enlisted men to pay you a compliment is a requirement of your code. I've explained to you that British servicemen are not subject to your code, they are subject to the Queens Regulations that appertain to their service - nothing else. It is quite clear in those regulations that we do not salute Warrant Officers.
If anybody in the British armed forces is required to salute you, it will be as a result of a local British commander agreeing to that.
The NATO Status of Forces agreement between the British & U.S. Governments did not require me, or any other British serviceman at the time to salute you. This was 10 years ago, but the copy of Queens Regulations I have quoted you, that you can download yourself if you wish, has not changed.
If someone has misled you to think otherwise, then perhaps you should go back to that person for an explanation; I think it's quite clear from this thread that apart from the banter, no British commissioned officer agrees with you - these are the men that would have to enforce it.