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Oh for gods sake,
Is this what you call banter?
As for MM, why dont you read your last post and then read my repy (get someone to help you with the long words).
This all started becasue I dared to ask a couple of questions about flying pay which seems to have been interpreted as questioning the size of your man-hood (please tourist/16B tell me about your TVR again). Does banter always turn to abuse when threatened???
Since I'm gettting nowhere here, you win I'll leave you to tell each other how good you all are. See you in the crew room.
Is this what you call banter?
As for MM, why dont you read your last post and then read my repy (get someone to help you with the long words).
This all started becasue I dared to ask a couple of questions about flying pay which seems to have been interpreted as questioning the size of your man-hood (please tourist/16B tell me about your TVR again). Does banter always turn to abuse when threatened???
Since I'm gettting nowhere here, you win I'll leave you to tell each other how good you all are. See you in the crew room.
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Since I'm gettting nowhere here, you win I'll leave you to tell each other how good you all are.
please tourist/16B tell me about your TVR again
16B
Are you a Pompey fan...? I am, and a season ticket holder to boot... I bought one, yes you've guessed it, with a small portion of flying pay...!
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16 Blades,
Still pi$$ing myself laughing - well worth your gold star (at this rate hangar Pilot will offer you the Golden Rivet as well!)! Normally it is the Fisheads that get a huge bite from the Crabs after some well timed banter, but you have done a superb job 16 B - especially over such a triv thread that really isn't going to change anything.
As to the thread- whatever -I would certainly not begrudge, question or make issue out of someone elses gain.
Still pi$$ing myself laughing - well worth your gold star (at this rate hangar Pilot will offer you the Golden Rivet as well!)! Normally it is the Fisheads that get a huge bite from the Crabs after some well timed banter, but you have done a superb job 16 B - especially over such a triv thread that really isn't going to change anything.
As to the thread- whatever -I would certainly not begrudge, question or make issue out of someone elses gain.
This all started becasue I dared to ask a couple of questions about flying pay which seems to have been interpreted as questioning the size of your man-hood (please tourist/16B tell me about your TVR again).
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Alan907,
you wrote Sir.............
'Earlier in the piece I wrote that I was the MOD staff officer responsible for writing the revised Airmen Aircrew pay structure in 1989, and got nothing for my trouble than some unintelligent low life spilling his invective onto the computer screen'
Well you poor old soul, how childish and awfully 'un-officer like' calling me a low life. What a typical wet responce from a typical wet staff officer. Did you run off and tell your 1* what the nasty man said about you? Grow up man.
you also wrote.........
'Flying pay ought to be paid for as long as the recipient is available and willing to fill a flying appointment. Flying pay should cease when the individual no longer wishes to fly and does everything on God's earth to escape a flying tour (such as the Master AEOp at ISK who had not flown for something like 30 years). That is an abuse of the system'
Well you are quite right there Sir, it is an absolute abuse and I couldn't agree more with you. But I notice how you pick up on the MAEOp. What about the hundreds of knackered old V-bomber crews, who havn't flown for God knows how long? What about the old Flt Lt at Waddo, whose last flying tour was on Twin Pins? They still receive flying pay - most of them spec aircrew flying pay of £100+ per day. I notice how you carefully skipped over that and concentrated on slagging off NCO aircrew. Shame on you Sir, it clearly shows what you think about them, and probably why you were responsible in shafting them a few years back.
Your right, I don't like blunties, infact I'de go so far as to say that virtually all of them are an utter waste of space! And oh Sir, you talk some carp about being 'part of the team' God help the team, thats all I can say! Most blunties are responsible for destroying 'the team' along with the team spirit.
BEags' I hope you are taking note of this fool old boy, 'cos if your not, he's going to 'tell teach' and get you (and me) and damned good thrashing I fear!! (I'll get caruthers to get the Grouse ready!!)
Finally Alan, now that you have arisen to the dizzy heights of what, PPL? firstly, very well done. Secondly, just remember that when your little 'Pop Pop' engine conks out over the ogin, or your stuck up a mountain or whatever, the little grunt that decends from the big yellow egg whisk, will undoubtebly be an NCO. Try being nice to him, theres a good chap. You might just need him one day, so don't tell him about your past!
Switches safe, and back to bed now,
Kind regards to all (even the odd bluntie!)
TSM
you wrote Sir.............
'Earlier in the piece I wrote that I was the MOD staff officer responsible for writing the revised Airmen Aircrew pay structure in 1989, and got nothing for my trouble than some unintelligent low life spilling his invective onto the computer screen'
Well you poor old soul, how childish and awfully 'un-officer like' calling me a low life. What a typical wet responce from a typical wet staff officer. Did you run off and tell your 1* what the nasty man said about you? Grow up man.
you also wrote.........
'Flying pay ought to be paid for as long as the recipient is available and willing to fill a flying appointment. Flying pay should cease when the individual no longer wishes to fly and does everything on God's earth to escape a flying tour (such as the Master AEOp at ISK who had not flown for something like 30 years). That is an abuse of the system'
Well you are quite right there Sir, it is an absolute abuse and I couldn't agree more with you. But I notice how you pick up on the MAEOp. What about the hundreds of knackered old V-bomber crews, who havn't flown for God knows how long? What about the old Flt Lt at Waddo, whose last flying tour was on Twin Pins? They still receive flying pay - most of them spec aircrew flying pay of £100+ per day. I notice how you carefully skipped over that and concentrated on slagging off NCO aircrew. Shame on you Sir, it clearly shows what you think about them, and probably why you were responsible in shafting them a few years back.
Your right, I don't like blunties, infact I'de go so far as to say that virtually all of them are an utter waste of space! And oh Sir, you talk some carp about being 'part of the team' God help the team, thats all I can say! Most blunties are responsible for destroying 'the team' along with the team spirit.
BEags' I hope you are taking note of this fool old boy, 'cos if your not, he's going to 'tell teach' and get you (and me) and damned good thrashing I fear!! (I'll get caruthers to get the Grouse ready!!)
Finally Alan, now that you have arisen to the dizzy heights of what, PPL? firstly, very well done. Secondly, just remember that when your little 'Pop Pop' engine conks out over the ogin, or your stuck up a mountain or whatever, the little grunt that decends from the big yellow egg whisk, will undoubtebly be an NCO. Try being nice to him, theres a good chap. You might just need him one day, so don't tell him about your past!
Switches safe, and back to bed now,
Kind regards to all (even the odd bluntie!)
TSM
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Filth,
Sorry old chap but it seems like you are royally screwed. Handbrake House has traditionally been unhelpful in matters of flying pay (cos they don't get it), and I believe the answer you've already had that went something like "It's additional pay, therefore we can do what the fu{k we like with it" is pretty much official policy. You might want to address it to the herein self-identified architect of your impending reaming.
Other than that, I agree with comments that this thread is going nowhere. This bleating about "You get paid more than me, whinge whinge whinge" tends to repeat itself here about every 6 months, and always gets nowhere, apart from some good bluntie-baiting banter opportunities.
And I also agree that there are more important things to occupy our minds at this juncture. I therefore apologise if any of my frivolities have offended sensibilities.
16B
Sorry old chap but it seems like you are royally screwed. Handbrake House has traditionally been unhelpful in matters of flying pay (cos they don't get it), and I believe the answer you've already had that went something like "It's additional pay, therefore we can do what the fu{k we like with it" is pretty much official policy. You might want to address it to the herein self-identified architect of your impending reaming.
Other than that, I agree with comments that this thread is going nowhere. This bleating about "You get paid more than me, whinge whinge whinge" tends to repeat itself here about every 6 months, and always gets nowhere, apart from some good bluntie-baiting banter opportunities.
And I also agree that there are more important things to occupy our minds at this juncture. I therefore apologise if any of my frivolities have offended sensibilities.
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Justification Shmustification
I love flying pay. Have done since I first got it.
But, I didn't join for the pay. I joined because Cessnas are boring, and so are 747s. I would have joined up to fly for food and beer, and I suspect most young mil pilots are the same.
Of course, once you get a life / Ducati / yacht / wife / mortgage, the extra pay comes in very handy...
So, who are the senior executive decision makers in the Air Force? Pilots. Old ones, with mortgages, wives, children in boarding school and golf club memberships.
The 'justification' is neither here nor there. Flying pay is here to stay, because the blokes signing the briefs to the Minister get it. Junior pilots will join up anyway because it's cool to be a pilot, and by the time they care, they'll have a lifestyle commensurate with their extra pay. Circle complete.
I think it's great.
But, I didn't join for the pay. I joined because Cessnas are boring, and so are 747s. I would have joined up to fly for food and beer, and I suspect most young mil pilots are the same.
Of course, once you get a life / Ducati / yacht / wife / mortgage, the extra pay comes in very handy...
So, who are the senior executive decision makers in the Air Force? Pilots. Old ones, with mortgages, wives, children in boarding school and golf club memberships.
The 'justification' is neither here nor there. Flying pay is here to stay, because the blokes signing the briefs to the Minister get it. Junior pilots will join up anyway because it's cool to be a pilot, and by the time they care, they'll have a lifestyle commensurate with their extra pay. Circle complete.
I think it's great.
emergov, I'm with you and I don't get flying pay, not since getting my FRI and joining the PA spine anyway.............
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I think it's great too. Especially when u + FRI.
Don't understand why the fish-heads won't talk about it in the bar :-)
Q Why did flying pay exist when there were no problems with recruiting?
Don't understand why the fish-heads won't talk about it in the bar :-)
Q Why did flying pay exist when there were no problems with recruiting?
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16B,
I wonder how effective it is, though. Aircrew walk out the door every day, flying pay or no - sometimes to worse paying jobs.
I'll say it again, I think flying pay is a GREAT idea, but even I am not sure it represents good value for money. It is difficult to quantify what percentage of mil pilots remain for the flying pay, or more importantly, how many more years they stay - but isn't that what a return of service obligation is for?
Loads of guys leave the services the minute they can, and no amount of experience-based flying pay increases will stop them.
Maybe the answer is to double flying pay, and count the resignations in the next 6 months. Then at least we'll have some solid data. Actually, we could double flying pay every 6 months until pilots stop leaving....
Of course one or two guys would still have to leave every now and then to provoke a further flying pay increase, but the idea has merit.
I wonder how effective it is, though. Aircrew walk out the door every day, flying pay or no - sometimes to worse paying jobs.
I'll say it again, I think flying pay is a GREAT idea, but even I am not sure it represents good value for money. It is difficult to quantify what percentage of mil pilots remain for the flying pay, or more importantly, how many more years they stay - but isn't that what a return of service obligation is for?
Loads of guys leave the services the minute they can, and no amount of experience-based flying pay increases will stop them.
Maybe the answer is to double flying pay, and count the resignations in the next 6 months. Then at least we'll have some solid data. Actually, we could double flying pay every 6 months until pilots stop leaving....
Of course one or two guys would still have to leave every now and then to provoke a further flying pay increase, but the idea has merit.