Flying Pay
 

Chaps,

Today I have had some news from PMA that will effect ALL Airmen Aircrew that have commissioned in to Officer Flying Branches. On commissioning I understood that the length of time in receipt of NCA Flg Pay was overlayed on the Officer scale and you started on that rate. Indeed that is what happened to myself in 1999.

In Apr 03 the bean counters in town noticed that in fact this method was in correct and that ALL should start at the Officer Intial rate 0 Years. They decided to draw a line in the sand and all before Apr 03 would be able to continue on the current scheme (Although a mistake had been made) after this date they would be placed on the initial rate.

On the 12 of this month I should have progressed onto a higher rate but as they are reviewing the policy they have not done so because they believe a change in policy will be coming in the next two-weeks.

The current rules state that I am entitled to the next rate having been in receipt of the current rate for 4 years although there is no rule (at the moment) stopping this can they withold this until the new rules come into force?

PMA have stated that "a mistake had been made and a decision was made to limit the extent of this (Apr 03) however this decision is now under review and it may be that it is reversed. This would result in a number of Commissioned Airmen Aircrew in various branches being placed on the correct band of flying pay".

When questioned whether they could reduce the band or mark time rules would apply, they stated as it was additional pay the mark time rules did not apply and many WOULD SEE CUTS IN FLYING PAY .

Gents, I am at a loss on this one can any of you experienced chaps out there or anyone in the same boat give any wise words/guidance on this matter. I am already pursuing the PSF route however looking for other options.

Oh well, they pay you guys too much anyway.

Tourist,

That's not true, aircrew deserve every penny of their flying pay..






.. it's the rest of it they don't do anything for :) :p ;)

A well-respected senior officer on the Nimrod fleet once said that he considered that all spanner-w@nkers, blunties and other PONTIs should receive the equivalent of flying pay...

But with one condition. That he should be allowed to shoot an equivalent number of such penguins every year as Aircrew who were killed in flying accidents.

That normally shut the mouths of the shiny-ar$es!

:ok:

Tourist......... what can I say, You're an Utter....Utter...Utter...... ! Words Fail me.............

MW

Beagle

Us engineers have a high mortality rate due to heart attacks brought on by our sedentary lifestyle, and senile dementai because of lack of mental stimulation. Cheaper than bullets anyway. :\

Beagle - touche!

It's the JAFAs that really need sorted - Just Another F*cking Administrator - changing the rules in the middle of the game.

5206

Chaps,

Top Banter, but the missus has already spent the increase ten fold!!!!!!!!

Any help even from JAFA's accepted in this case.:{

This has happened before. In the early '90s a decision was made that payment of the low rate of Flying Pay had been incorrectly paid to studes after their initial streaming. 5 years later some pilots on the middle rate of FP were 'regraded' back to the low rate. The RAF did decide that they would not seek return of the overpayment!

kipper

MW

"Words fail me.........."

That's is the single worst bit of banter it has ever been my misfortune to receive!(and I've worked with the Crabs!)

You should be ashamed of yourself. (and probably have your flying pay docked. Oh..........you have)

Must try harder

Incidentally, you want to get that stutter looked at:ok:

Believe as this is a Tri-Service F*** Up at will apply to all NCA commissioned into Aircrew branches. This includes AAC/RM Pilots Observers etc.

'fraid not old boy, all pilots in the AAC receive the same rates of flying pay !

C##K
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As the MOD staff officer responsible for the re-write of the Airmen Aircrew pay structure in 1989 I can give you all categoric assurances that it is NOT being driven by any admin officer (there are also a fair number of GD Branch officers in MOD admin type appointments as well). This has the distinct smell of Treasury civil servants.

If there is any fault it is likely to be the one or two star GD officer at the head of the particular MOD branch who is not standing up to the Treasury 'jobs-worths'.

Write to your MP - they might be able to put some pressure on. Don't rely on the airships they have too much trouble in concentrating keeping upright without the spine.

Allan 907

What a brave chap you are! I have never herad of anyone having the balls to own up to anything, especially something like the huge **ck up you admit too (you're still an ar$e tho') And don't now blame the civil servants either. We all know they are ar$e$, but it is people like you who push them in the direction they go. Afetr all, do you expect us to believe that they could have dreamt up some of these ideas themselves??

Retard Engineer - what are you on? I have never heard such utter claptrap in all my life. Get a life old man. Heart attacks caused by lack of mental stimulation?? Yeah right. Utter Tosh.

Frankly, I would scrap ALL memebrs of the armed forces who even look like a blunty. They are just a waste of valuable oxygen!

Filthy, I fear you will, like the AA bretheron you left behind, will yet again be shafted!
Switches back to safe and time for my medication!

Kind regards to ALL aircrew, commisioned or otherwise
TSM

I thought I received flying pay for the 2 following reasons:

1. A nice spangly new car every 2 years or so (I can recommend the new VW GTi bye the way... Never thought it would look so good in white...!).

2. The unique opportunity to banter with those who think I don't deserve it...

Am I wrong..?

SSAP

TSM

Sounds fine, get rid of blunties, there is no one to support your flying, you become a blunty, get rid off you.

Oh, looks at profile, somebody already did :)

sw

guys,

I dont mean to pour oil on to fire, but.....

There are a few arguments that I always wanted to discuss in a blame free environment.....

1. If flying pay is to be considered as danger pay then why do you get it when you have an office job? Why are you campaigning so hard for it to be considered for your pension?

2. Do you believe that you should get it becasue you are doing a job that is hard to do and hard to get?

Please dont give me abuse because I'm challenging the manhood of all pilots, if you can justify yourself on these questions, I'll be the first person to hand over my income tax!

SW
You are obviously a Bluntie Sir otherwise you would agree.
If you had any experience at all, then you would know that blunties are little but a hindernce to flying. They do little (no, probably Nothing) to support flying, and there is absolutely NO way i would ever become a blunty.

Oh and by the way, one of the reasons I left (and countless others do) is because after 30+ yrs, I was pi$$ed off with having blunties deciding who went to GW2, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosavo et al.

The CAS thinks he runs the RAF - little does he know, its actually a cpl scribblie from SHQ.

Back to bed
TSM

"If you had any experience at all, then you would know that blunties are little but a hindernce to flying. They do little (no, probably Nothing) to support flying"

Wish I'd known this many years ago, it would have saved me standing in rain and snow fixing aircraft.

"Retard Engineer - what are you on? I have never heard such utter claptrap in all my life. Get a life old man. Heart attacks caused by lack of mental stimulation?? Yeah right. Utter Tosh."

Did not realise that you had to hand in your sense of humour with your 1250.