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Retard Eng,
You have a guilty concience my dear chap. I did not refer to you as a bluntie at all. You, along with most engineers have my and probly most aircrews', utter respect. Its the pen pushing gimps whose aim in life is to screw up as many people as possible (including engineers) that are the problem.
As for sense of humour - well, I never laughed as much as when i read about engineers having heart attacks caused by lack of mental stimulation!!
Ho ho ho ho
Love to all engineers!
Kind regards
TSM
'Caruthers, better send a bottle of the finest round to the retard engines bloke'
You have a guilty concience my dear chap. I did not refer to you as a bluntie at all. You, along with most engineers have my and probly most aircrews', utter respect. Its the pen pushing gimps whose aim in life is to screw up as many people as possible (including engineers) that are the problem.
As for sense of humour - well, I never laughed as much as when i read about engineers having heart attacks caused by lack of mental stimulation!!
Ho ho ho ho
Love to all engineers!
Kind regards
TSM
'Caruthers, better send a bottle of the finest round to the retard engines bloke'
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Right,
First off I am in receipt of my flying pay and it is very nice thank you.
It is classed as specialist pay is it not?
We have had to train for a very long time to get in the air, and are rewarded accordingly (3 and 1/2 years training time not counting holds for a FJ mate, 3 for RW and ME).
I am a non grad, and thus entered on a lower pay grade and rank to those with any degree.
Non problems. Even if I think that for the most part this degree does not get used by the officer concerned (engineers aside), I think that it is only fair and right that grads get paid more initially.
So why do you chislers gripe about those of us who have done that much more professional training getting paid accordingly?
How long do shinies do, 6 weeks?
Gingers? 6 months?
Common guys. Qualifications cost.
TTH
First off I am in receipt of my flying pay and it is very nice thank you.
It is classed as specialist pay is it not?
We have had to train for a very long time to get in the air, and are rewarded accordingly (3 and 1/2 years training time not counting holds for a FJ mate, 3 for RW and ME).
I am a non grad, and thus entered on a lower pay grade and rank to those with any degree.
Non problems. Even if I think that for the most part this degree does not get used by the officer concerned (engineers aside), I think that it is only fair and right that grads get paid more initially.
So why do you chislers gripe about those of us who have done that much more professional training getting paid accordingly?
How long do shinies do, 6 weeks?
Gingers? 6 months?
Common guys. Qualifications cost.
TTH
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I'm a big fan of engineers, they give me airplanes to fly and then fix them when I bust them - top I reckon..! Well they used to before someone gave me this desk instead... oh well, better get off down the boozer and make a dent in this month's wheelbarrow load of flying pay...!
SSAP
'one for all and one for one's self...!'
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'one for all and one for one's self...!'
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SM
Thank you, I have never been accused of having a conscience before and I wait with baited corkscrew for your offering. In fact I would not only pay double income tax, but also sell my wife and children to ensure that the nations finest recieved their flying pay.
Regards
Retard
Thank you, I have never been accused of having a conscience before and I wait with baited corkscrew for your offering. In fact I would not only pay double income tax, but also sell my wife and children to ensure that the nations finest recieved their flying pay.
Regards
Retard
Yup. Qualifications cost. So where was the specialist pay for 4 yr degree followed by 12 months of eng trg with RAF (which was incidentally, the most boring 365 days of my life!). Anyway, left now and very happy to have done so.
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In response to hangar Pilot and the origin of flying pay, I believe it was specialist pay introduced sometime in the 70's in addition to the military salary (Perhaps Beagle can confirm this).
On 19 Mar 02 the then MinAF, Mr. John Spellar had this to say on pilot retention:
"The retention of pilots is a critical problem, not just for the RAF but for other armed forces around the world. Many pilots choose to leave the services at an early opportunity to pursue a second career with civil airlines. Improving pilot retention rates is therefore one of our highest priorities. Indeed, that was reflected in the announcement of the armed forces pay award for 2001, which, in addition to a 3.7 per cent. increase in basic salary for all ranks, will result in increases in flying pay."
The 2005 AFPRB said in their latest report:
"......Flying Pay remained justified on recruitment and retention grounds.......It wished to preserve the current structure ..... to retain experience and skills in the face of civilian market pressures...."
" MOD argued that differences in FP rates between Officers and NCA reflected real differences in responsibilities."
I'm not aware of a huge market for WSO's in the real world so not convinced by the retention line, but I do think that the VW Golf is much nicer in black!!!!!
On 19 Mar 02 the then MinAF, Mr. John Spellar had this to say on pilot retention:
"The retention of pilots is a critical problem, not just for the RAF but for other armed forces around the world. Many pilots choose to leave the services at an early opportunity to pursue a second career with civil airlines. Improving pilot retention rates is therefore one of our highest priorities. Indeed, that was reflected in the announcement of the armed forces pay award for 2001, which, in addition to a 3.7 per cent. increase in basic salary for all ranks, will result in increases in flying pay."
The 2005 AFPRB said in their latest report:
"......Flying Pay remained justified on recruitment and retention grounds.......It wished to preserve the current structure ..... to retain experience and skills in the face of civilian market pressures...."
" MOD argued that differences in FP rates between Officers and NCA reflected real differences in responsibilities."
I'm not aware of a huge market for WSO's in the real world so not convinced by the retention line, but I do think that the VW Golf is much nicer in black!!!!!
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Sorry can't work the attachments.
It was surposed to be my pay statement showing a total of £27584.83 for Dec 04. someone put the monthly total of £764.88 as a daily rate giving a very nice surprise in January.
I'm sorry to say they got it all back very quickly.
It was surposed to be my pay statement showing a total of £27584.83 for Dec 04. someone put the monthly total of £764.88 as a daily rate giving a very nice surprise in January.
I'm sorry to say they got it all back very quickly.
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TSM, good to see that you don't consider Engineers as Blunties. {Salts of the earth in my books }
But who are the blunties then, ATC - getting you up and more importantly back? Suppliers - getting the bits needed by the engineers? Docs, making sure you are fit to fly? Or even your desk officer - probably one of your own branch - sending you to the far off places you moaned about?
I trust from your profle that you are the co director of a one man company since you don't need any support!
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}But who are the blunties then, ATC - getting you up and more importantly back? Suppliers - getting the bits needed by the engineers? Docs, making sure you are fit to fly? Or even your desk officer - probably one of your own branch - sending you to the far off places you moaned about?
I trust from your profle that you are the co director of a one man company since you don't need any support!
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Blind Pue,
If you are spec aircrew then the rate of pay and monthly amount seem fine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
But I suspect you are from the green machine.
I've also edited my previous post to protect the innocent.
If you are spec aircrew then the rate of pay and monthly amount seem fine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
But I suspect you are from the green machine.I've also edited my previous post to protect the innocent.
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Not wanting to spoil the fun or change the tac of this thread...
Does anyone know for certain if the change in higher rate of fly pay for NCA (18 1/2 years from 22years) takes into account the fact that some, who are still on lower rate will qualify for the new high rate...make sense..?? A couple of guys at our place,new to aircrew but old to service,think they might get a nice pay rise...?
Answers on a postcard to.....
Does anyone know for certain if the change in higher rate of fly pay for NCA (18 1/2 years from 22years) takes into account the fact that some, who are still on lower rate will qualify for the new high rate...make sense..?? A couple of guys at our place,new to aircrew but old to service,think they might get a nice pay rise...?
Answers on a postcard to.....
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I'm really sorry guys,
but since i asked a while ago about what flying pay is for bnobody has come close to agreeing on one common reason. You get it and don't want to rock the boat - it can't be about qualifications since engineers are (generaly) alot more qualified that aircrew.
in response to TurbineTooHot who gimped on about being a non-grad on a lower rate of pay during training - for most engineers who have to pay for their own trianing at uni before joining i dont think your arguement is valid.
As for spinstallaeropfl - sent me your address and I'll send to a cheque!
so come on, whats it for??????
but since i asked a while ago about what flying pay is for bnobody has come close to agreeing on one common reason. You get it and don't want to rock the boat - it can't be about qualifications since engineers are (generaly) alot more qualified that aircrew.
in response to TurbineTooHot who gimped on about being a non-grad on a lower rate of pay during training - for most engineers who have to pay for their own trianing at uni before joining i dont think your arguement is valid.
As for spinstallaeropfl - sent me your address and I'll send to a cheque!
so come on, whats it for??????
Retention argument holds no water. Why bother paying with FP for WSOs then? The RAF was (is?) chronically short of Plods so why not pay them some sort of retention bonus. Conversely, sims, ops, MOD, Cmds are full of WSOs who have seen their last cockpit.
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Less to do with retention ,since I could probably earn as much selling mobile phones or houses with less bull***t; and more to do with aircrew of all types (and RAF Regt) ultimately sticking their necks out while all the REMFs moan about us geting paid more.
Shut up.
Isn't it that obvious?
Ray
Shut up.
Isn't it that obvious?
Ray
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WSO's observation
Ever noticed that "most" those who don't get flying pay whinge and bitch about those who do............whilst those who do drive round in posh motors with huge wallets and a permanent smile
Just a thought
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
Ever noticed that "most" those who don't get flying pay whinge and bitch about those who do............whilst those who do drive round in posh motors with huge wallets and a permanent smile
Just a thought
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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500days,
I guess that if they were due to get the higher rate at 22 years, they should now get it at 18, even if still on the low rate. I am not sure what the t's and c's are nowadays, but unless they have signed up to a minimum of x years on the middle rate they should be alright.
I look forward to the extra £4 a day in my pay from next month onwards.
I guess that if they were due to get the higher rate at 22 years, they should now get it at 18, even if still on the low rate. I am not sure what the t's and c's are nowadays, but unless they have signed up to a minimum of x years on the middle rate they should be alright.
I look forward to the extra £4 a day in my pay from next month onwards.