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Old 3rd Feb 2005, 17:46
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Oh and Geoff Buffoon's been a shining light has he? He hasn't made a single visit to a wounded soldier or their families since this war began. He only toddled off to EGDL today because of the way Bliar was caught off guard by a Tory Backbencher at PMQ's yesterday.

Tom King, David Davies, Michael Mates, Nick Soames and Michael Howard are all ex-Military Officers. Buffoon on the other hand is the most deadly of all. A trained accountant. The only Cabinet position more ridiculous would be if Bliar put Ken Dodd in charge of the Treasury!

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I am repeating a piece of policy that I heard described by Howard on Radio 4. I'll take him, rather than you, as my expert on Tory policy, thanks all the same.
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Has anyone noticed how Bufoon has gradually shed his local dialect and now speaks with a pseudo posh accent picked up through hob nobbing with the upper echelons at the MOD?

Ken Dodd for Chancellor? Why not. At least he can cheer us up when we find out what a bad state the public finances are really in!
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h and Geoff Buffoon's been a shining light has he? He hasn't made a single visit to a wounded soldier or their families since this war began. He only toddled off to EGDL today because of the way Bliar was caught off guard by a Tory Backbencher at PMQ's yesterday.

Tom King, David Davies, Michael Mates, Nick Soames and Michael Howard are all ex-Military Officers. Buffoon on the other hand is the most deadly of all. A trained accountant. The only Cabinet position more ridiculous would be if Bliar put Ken Dodd in charge of the Treasury!
I do not disagree with you and I concur that TCH (That **** Hoon) is quite rightly the most detested SoS for Defence ever. However, there have been too many cuts in the past in search of a peace dividend and errors have been made - the deplorable cuts to the Defence Medical Services for example. These can be criticised without exonerating or endorsing TCH, whose intentions are (at least!) twice as mendacious or misguided as the worst excesses of his predecessors.
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Old 3rd Feb 2005, 20:24
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BWOS - well if the RAF is BWOS then thats me. Nope Im a serving member of HM's finest. Im currently flying my A--e off at a small and quiet airfield in Lancashire.
X-Bow's a UAS stude at Woodvale!

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Old 3rd Feb 2005, 20:49
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And lost, too. WV's not in Lancashire!
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...and a cock of the first order.

The left are reminding people of things that happened in the past since they know it's their only hope. Things that were largely driven by global economic conditions, which national governments by and large cannot influence directly.

In fact, the economy has largely bugger-all to do with the govt (unless they grossly over or under-tax the populis), especially in this country with an 'independant' bank of england. (and yes, i KNOW that was down to this govt, but it was the first and last good thing they did).

It's a simple choice - do we want higher taxation, more interference and nanny-state control, more pontificating and less achievement?

Or do we want smaller govt, more control of our lives, less benefit scrounging, more money in our pockets, and the right to govern ourselves?

I know what I want.

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Old 3rd Feb 2005, 21:15
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And lost, too. WV's not in Lancashire!
Bugger, even checked that on 'puter, day one week one basic countyology really!
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IS this the usual standard of political debate that can be found upon joining the RAF?

Personally I think goverments of any colour will cut defence to free up revinue to spend in areas that win votes, sadly this is a fact of life until the public at large start caring or we switch to an authoritarian system.
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That wasn't a snipe at your geography, rather crossbow's... He's probably too busy falling down the rabbit holes after an away day from Uni in the mess!




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Its funny you should mention Woodvale as, although I never had the opportunity to fly with the UAS, I did atend University at Liverpool (Before they named it after a catologue). However, in 1976 when I joined the RAF, woodvale was very busy and always known as somewhere to avoid.
 
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Are you sure WV is not in Lancs? If its not, which county is it in?
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Technically, WV is in Merseyside since the boundary changes imposed in 1974, although Merseyside now no longer exists as a unitary authorty per se. WV, therefore is in Merseyside as an area, but Sefton admininstratively - and I don't even live there!

So, Crossbow, I notice that you don't actually admit to being at WV. The small and quiet airfields in Lancashire proper are remarkably few and far between - in fact, the only active airfields in Lancs that I can think of are Warton and Blackpool. You can include Samlesbury if you count gliders. If it is WV, then you're either UAS or AEF staff pilot, or are senior enough to know better than to make comments when you leave yourself so identifiable. Or are you serving, but flying with the civ flying club? Oh the myriad of options.

Incidentally, the word I'm has an apostrophe as it is a contraction of 'I am'.
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Eh, eh, eh - are you accusing scousers of having nicked a friggin' aerodrome now? Eh, eh?
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Well, WV spotted (late 80s?) been re-sprayed green, combine that with the Meteor that used to be 'up on bricks' (yes, I know, now in bits!) and I'll leave you to draw your own conclusion Beags you wag you!

X-bow: At least I was right about the private flying club...
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Getting back on track with this thread, if I was Bliar I would round up the cabinet, crossbow and Bush, take them on a nice cruise to an island somewhere in the south pacific then encourage the French to resume nuclear testing on arrival. A bit harsh I know, but fair.
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Old 5th Feb 2005, 22:29
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Was it her looks or her personality?! (Or am I missing something?!)
No Smilingknifed, you're not.

But she is!
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This should be an interesting forum to visit when the Tories are reduced to 3rd place in the next election

The word 'fair' takes quite a battering in here. It seems to mean 'fair to me and sod everyone else' to quite a few of you.
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This should be an interesting forum to visit when the Tories are reduced to 3rd place in the next election
Watch Liabour's poll lead start to fall. It happened in 2001. The lead will plummet faster as a result of the unpleasant machinations of Campbell (the liar who claimed we were 45 minutes from destruction) which will alienate Liabour voters, a dying breed. Tory voters will turn out and vote - the Observer has polled voters about likely turnout and Tory voters are 72% likely to vote with Liabour voters 55% likely to turnout.

Lib Dems who previously voted for Liabour as an anti-Tory tactic will not repeat this tactic. The many Liabour voters dismayed at the Iraq adventure and the surrounding spin will either not vote or will vote Lib Dem.

So, Liabour will take a pounding as the result of a low Liabour turnout, a steady Tory vote and an impressive Lib Dem performance. I predict a Liabour majority of perhaps 20-40 seats, enough of a failure to dispatch Bliar.

Not convinced? Try this site:

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/index.html

If there is a 4% unwind of tactical swing by Liberal Democrat supporters who voted Labour in 2001, Labour will lose 23 extra seats and have a majority of 70.
If you enter in the tactical voting change of minus/plus 4% for Labour/Lib Dems using the latest YouGov poll of 34%/31%/25% then the Liabour majority is a mere 16 seats. I doubt this worst case scenario will happen, but the low Liabour turnout will compound whatever effect the lack of pro-Liabour tactical voting will have!

I'll be up on election night with a bottle of the fizzy alcoholic stuff!

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Well glad you've got it sorted Jess the Dog.............Hardly worth going to vote now that we know the result already

I think a Tory recovery under Howard is unlikely. He cannot be trusted to be any more honest than TB and his gang. If he was an honest politician (oxymoron there !) he would have answered the question that Paxman asked him.

72% of Tories might well vote, but that is 72% of a reducing number of people. As the Tories retreat back to policies from 20+ years ago their popular appeal will dwinde. We don't live in the late 70's anymore.
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