RAF officers to join gay pride march
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Has anybody used the crusty old line "I know it goes on but I don't want to have it rammed down my throat," and all those other old cliches? Oops.
Anyway, I thought this parade would have been more of a Navy affair?
Anyway, I thought this parade would have been more of a Navy affair?
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Gents, first post
I have never been approached by a chap who swings the other way despite my 20 years RAF Service man and boy, barrack block and mess.
However, I personally am the sort of chap to attract strange people/nutters as and when I walk down the street, sit on a bus etc. Don't know what it is with me, must have a funny face!
Sods Law (ahem!) therefore means that the first gay couple to be allowed an RAF married quarter will live next door to me. Any sounds associated with pillow biting will result in a molotov cocktail duly despatched to get the gay homs out. Unless of course it is two delightful lesbians where the CCTV will be duly installed whilst they are out.
Before the PC Brigade start having a go, I myself am a Lesbian, because I like to have sex with women. And I have a wife with 2 kids.
This is, of course, a joke. If you don't find it funny, you're gay, sorry, a homo!
Blunty
I have never been approached by a chap who swings the other way despite my 20 years RAF Service man and boy, barrack block and mess.
However, I personally am the sort of chap to attract strange people/nutters as and when I walk down the street, sit on a bus etc. Don't know what it is with me, must have a funny face!
Sods Law (ahem!) therefore means that the first gay couple to be allowed an RAF married quarter will live next door to me. Any sounds associated with pillow biting will result in a molotov cocktail duly despatched to get the gay homs out. Unless of course it is two delightful lesbians where the CCTV will be duly installed whilst they are out.
Before the PC Brigade start having a go, I myself am a Lesbian, because I like to have sex with women. And I have a wife with 2 kids.
This is, of course, a joke. If you don't find it funny, you're gay, sorry, a homo!
Blunty
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Don't worry about the PC Brigade. Due to Defence Cuts they are now actually the PC Battlegroup (-) and are currently committed to operations in support of re-electing Tony Blair, sorry, making the Middle- East a better place to live, and pump oil.
A Government spokeman denied firmly that reducing the numbers in the PC Brigade represented a reduction in capability but would in fact enhance operational effect.
A Government spokeman denied firmly that reducing the numbers in the PC Brigade represented a reduction in capability but would in fact enhance operational effect.
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Welcome to the forum. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Malicious Communications Act 1988 makes it a criminal offence to send an electronic communication that conveys a threat. It appears you may have done just that and rather clumsily identified yourself at the same time (although an ISP subscriber check by the police will do the latter anyway).
Free speech is one thing. Threatening to petrol bomb one's neighbour is quite another.
Welcome to the forum. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Malicious Communications Act 1988 makes it a criminal offence to send an electronic communication that conveys a threat. It appears you may have done just that and rather clumsily identified yourself at the same time (although an ISP subscriber check by the police will do the latter anyway).
Free speech is one thing. Threatening to petrol bomb one's neighbour is quite another.
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Geeez Scud, get a life 
Read posts in the humour they were meant. Yes, BOG expressed his dislike of pillow-biters (good up ya mate) but I don't think he really is into the manufacture and employment of molotov cocktails 
There seems to be a few posters on here that are more concerned about PC than actually reading what people are writing
If shirt-lifters want to stick things up their backsides, then that is up to them, in the privacy of their own homos (sorry, homes 
) but they don't need to go out mincing around in makeup, frocks and hotpants on marches! And we certianly do not need to send recruiting teams to specialist rallies such as this, or any other, in this sad day and age of the mutilation of our Armed Forces! Is recruiting getting so bad that despite large manpower cuts we still need to go to events like this 
Mad Mark!!!
Read posts in the humour they were meant. Yes, BOG expressed his dislike of pillow-biters (good up ya mate) but I don't think he really is into the manufacture and employment of molotov cocktails There seems to be a few posters on here that are more concerned about PC than actually reading what people are writing
If shirt-lifters want to stick things up their backsides, then that is up to them, in the privacy of their own homos (sorry, homes ) but they don't need to go out mincing around in makeup, frocks and hotpants on marches! And we certianly do not need to send recruiting teams to specialist rallies such as this, or any other, in this sad day and age of the mutilation of our Armed Forces! Is recruiting getting so bad that despite large manpower cuts we still need to go to events like this Mad Mark!!!
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Alas, the thread seems to be degenerating into homophobia, whether tongue in cheek or otherwise. On reflection, can't actually see the harm in recruiting (as opposed to participating) at gay marches (it brought immediately to mind the fire sercive participation in the big march in London), however the OTT PC culture is such in today's Air Farce that it is easy to set the antennae twitching! I wouldn't put it past the MoD to decide it would be a great idea to include a flight in a gay pride march from a "corporate comms" perspective, which seems to be our sole reason for existence nowadays.
The point about supporting arms fairs is a well-made one and the brown-nosing we get up to, often with the most unsavoury characters does not sit well with our assumed "ethical" values.
The point about supporting arms fairs is a well-made one and the brown-nosing we get up to, often with the most unsavoury characters does not sit well with our assumed "ethical" values.
Not so much homophobia as a dislike of homopriapism, I would have thought?
Brown-nosing or brown-hatting? Neither are particularly pride worthy.
Brown-nosing or brown-hatting? Neither are particularly pride worthy.
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Gents,
I would like to thank Scud for pointing out the error of my ways in posting a threat in this forum. I can only apologize and I will make sure that any future posts will contain absolutely no humour (or threats to fire bomb).
Should the police follow this up and I am found guilty of violating the Malicious Communications Act 1988, does that mean I don't have to go to Basrah next month?
Thanks to Mad Mark for turning me into BOG (which I rather like).
BOG
I would like to thank Scud for pointing out the error of my ways in posting a threat in this forum. I can only apologize and I will make sure that any future posts will contain absolutely no humour (or threats to fire bomb).
Should the police follow this up and I am found guilty of violating the Malicious Communications Act 1988, does that mean I don't have to go to Basrah next month?
Thanks to Mad Mark for turning me into BOG (which I rather like).
BOG
jindabyne,
Fair cop! Caught me in one of my intolerant moods after a rather stressful few days at the day job. Guess I needed something to lash out at and I found it here.
Have an equally pleasant few days.
bluntyopsguy,
You really do need help!
Fair cop! Caught me in one of my intolerant moods after a rather stressful few days at the day job. Guess I needed something to lash out at and I found it here.
Have an equally pleasant few days.
bluntyopsguy,
You really do need help!
Just a quick question, the so called Gays used to be called Queers or Pufters.when was the name Gays hijacked. As I am aware being gay means a happy person (ie the life of the party or similar) ???? In Ireland as in other places there are people named Gay.
There was a story once where an airline employee named Gay was dead-heading on an internal company flight. But last minute bookings meant that the airline urgently needed the seat for a revenue passenger and were going to transfer Mr Gay to a later flight. So the FA came down the cabin asking likely looking dead-headers asking "Gay? Are you Gay?" After a few "No ma'ams", they found the right passenger. "Are you Gay?" "Yes, ma'am" "Well, I'm afraid you'll have to leave this flight".
Now some precious old queen had witnessed all this, got out of his seat, flounced up to the FA and hissed "Well, dearie, I 'm gay too and you're not going to throw me off just for that!"
Now some precious old queen had witnessed all this, got out of his seat, flounced up to the FA and hissed "Well, dearie, I 'm gay too and you're not going to throw me off just for that!"
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Bluntyospguy wrote :
That's the funniest (and obviously said in jest) post I've read on Pprune for years !
Congrats on your first posting ( er, I mean on here ) Blunty and keep up the great work !!
Soddim ... hmm, unfortunate name on this thread methinks !
Gents, first post
I have never been approached by a chap who swings the other way despite my 20 years RAF Service man and boy, barrack block and mess.
However, I personally am the sort of chap to attract strange people/nutters as and when I walk down the street, sit on a bus etc. Don't know what it is with me, must have a funny face!
Sods Law (ahem!) therefore means that the first gay couple to be allowed an RAF married quarter will live next door to me. Any sounds associated with pillow biting will result in a molotov cocktail duly despatched to get the gay homs out. Unless of course it is two delightful lesbians where the CCTV will be duly installed whilst they are out.
Before the PC Brigade start having a go, I myself am a Lesbian, because I like to have sex with women. And I have a wife with 2 kids.
This is, of course, a joke. If you don't find it funny, you're gay, sorry, a homo!
Blunty
I have never been approached by a chap who swings the other way despite my 20 years RAF Service man and boy, barrack block and mess.
However, I personally am the sort of chap to attract strange people/nutters as and when I walk down the street, sit on a bus etc. Don't know what it is with me, must have a funny face!
Sods Law (ahem!) therefore means that the first gay couple to be allowed an RAF married quarter will live next door to me. Any sounds associated with pillow biting will result in a molotov cocktail duly despatched to get the gay homs out. Unless of course it is two delightful lesbians where the CCTV will be duly installed whilst they are out.
Before the PC Brigade start having a go, I myself am a Lesbian, because I like to have sex with women. And I have a wife with 2 kids.
This is, of course, a joke. If you don't find it funny, you're gay, sorry, a homo!
Blunty
Congrats on your first posting ( er, I mean on here ) Blunty and keep up the great work !!
Soddim ... hmm, unfortunate name on this thread methinks !
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I expect the police (TVP or RAF) will see your Molotov cocktail comment in the same light as they view "jokes" about bombs on aircraft. In any case, I shall be making a complaint. I have absolutely no sense of humour about hate crimes or so-called jokes about them. If you made a joke about ni99er-lynching your black neighbour, I wouldn't find that funny either.
I'm sure your Basrah det is safe: I hear they have a very good SIB Det out there.
I expect the police (TVP or RAF) will see your Molotov cocktail comment in the same light as they view "jokes" about bombs on aircraft. In any case, I shall be making a complaint. I have absolutely no sense of humour about hate crimes or so-called jokes about them. If you made a joke about ni99er-lynching your black neighbour, I wouldn't find that funny either.
I'm sure your Basrah det is safe: I hear they have a very good SIB Det out there.
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OK, I will admit that this is a new nic for the purpose of posting to this thread. An interesting choice by me I guess, but perhaps some of the responses to this thread make it understandable.
Some of the posts here have been 'classical' responses, with a suitable degree of inaccuracy, stereotype, and downright insult.
Bluntyospguy Yes, very amusing... chortle chortle. But then again, a fairly sick post. Yes I know, I should recognise it as a joke. Oh - and how was I meant to do that again? Come on guys, I am sure that you have to sit through the same 'equity and diversity' lectures that we have to down-under. I think even a fair and reasonable non-homosexual person would see that post as inflamatory.
Now, I would have said that because we have had a lot longer dunnunda to deal with the childishness that invariably arises with this topic (1992 it became legal but not compulsary), and that in time the UK forces would also get over it.
Of course, then that would make it hard to explain Milt - although perhaps not even the dinosaurs all died out at once.
Oh and bad news for you Milt... we can (and do) 'breed' - happy to be both gay and a dad here.
Oh and BEagle - what exactly is "homopriapism"? Closest defintion I could find was
Dictionary.com
I would like to say that it is good to see that quite a few people here had favourable responses to the thread. I'll be honest, and say it was more than I would have thought.
Maybe one day it'd be ok for me to post under my normal nic - without having to worry about people making a huge fuss about it. I just want to get on with my life, without having to worry about snide remarks and school-yard gossip.
Til that time, I guess I will do what I have always done, and not march in Mardi Gras, but at the same time, not deny it if anyone does get the guts to ask...
Hope the guys/gals had fun in Manchester last night
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Some of the posts here have been 'classical' responses, with a suitable degree of inaccuracy, stereotype, and downright insult.
Bluntyospguy Yes, very amusing... chortle chortle. But then again, a fairly sick post. Yes I know, I should recognise it as a joke. Oh - and how was I meant to do that again? Come on guys, I am sure that you have to sit through the same 'equity and diversity' lectures that we have to down-under. I think even a fair and reasonable non-homosexual person would see that post as inflamatory.
Now, I would have said that because we have had a lot longer dunnunda to deal with the childishness that invariably arises with this topic (1992 it became legal but not compulsary), and that in time the UK forces would also get over it.
Of course, then that would make it hard to explain Milt - although perhaps not even the dinosaurs all died out at once.
Oh and bad news for you Milt... we can (and do) 'breed' - happy to be both gay and a dad here.
Oh and BEagle - what exactly is "homopriapism"? Closest defintion I could find was
pri·a·pism n Persistent, usually painful erection of the penis, especially as a consequence of disease and not related to sexual arousal.
I would like to say that it is good to see that quite a few people here had favourable responses to the thread. I'll be honest, and say it was more than I would have thought.
Maybe one day it'd be ok for me to post under my normal nic - without having to worry about people making a huge fuss about it. I just want to get on with my life, without having to worry about snide remarks and school-yard gossip.
Til that time, I guess I will do what I have always done, and not march in Mardi Gras, but at the same time, not deny it if anyone does get the guts to ask...
Hope the guys/gals had fun in Manchester last night
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I can't believe some of the comments by Spud, Proud and others.
BEagle and Blunty happen to say what a lot of us think ! That's our right ! I'm proud of it !
I left the RAF in 98 after 15yrs. Then, homophobia was SOP and the thought that any of the troops might be of that persuasion was virtually non-existant. The Danish and Turkish forces were the butt of all jokes ! (bad pun!)
When I left, I went to work for an airline ! Boy was I in for a shock ! Not the best place to shout about "hang them from the rafters" etc etc !
However, I learnt that these people were actually as capable as anyone else professionally, and you could also have a really good laugh with them. (in the majority anyway!). I'm happy to say some I now class as very good friends. Guess I'm a lot more tolerant now !
My point is though that HM Forces is a different ballgame. (bad pun again!)
It's primarily a macho-heterosexual environment, with deep suspicions of anyone that doesn't conform. PC issues do not have a place here IMHO.
The thoughts of the military blatantly publicising and proud of the fact that x percent of personnel are gay abhors me.
What goes on in private is one thing, but I don't want to hear or read about it. If it's consenting adults then it's OK I guess.
But please keep it quiet and don't be 'loud and proud' then everyone will get along better ! The fact that people may be gay and in the forces doesn't mean the whole world has to or wants to hear about it !!
This PC crap we have to put up with today has gone way too far !!
Oh and the abuse I'm getting from my ex-fish'ead mates who I took the p!ss out of mercillessly in the past is coming back at me with extreme prejudice !!
However, Proud said the following, and I applaud him for it ...
Great sentiments Proud, I wish you luck.
So to sum up though ... please don't be loud and proud ! You're officially allowed to do what you do, but the rest of us really don't want to know about it !
BEagle and Blunty happen to say what a lot of us think ! That's our right ! I'm proud of it !
I left the RAF in 98 after 15yrs. Then, homophobia was SOP and the thought that any of the troops might be of that persuasion was virtually non-existant. The Danish and Turkish forces were the butt of all jokes ! (bad pun!)
When I left, I went to work for an airline ! Boy was I in for a shock ! Not the best place to shout about "hang them from the rafters" etc etc !
However, I learnt that these people were actually as capable as anyone else professionally, and you could also have a really good laugh with them. (in the majority anyway!). I'm happy to say some I now class as very good friends. Guess I'm a lot more tolerant now !
My point is though that HM Forces is a different ballgame. (bad pun again!)
It's primarily a macho-heterosexual environment, with deep suspicions of anyone that doesn't conform. PC issues do not have a place here IMHO.
The thoughts of the military blatantly publicising and proud of the fact that x percent of personnel are gay abhors me.
What goes on in private is one thing, but I don't want to hear or read about it. If it's consenting adults then it's OK I guess.
But please keep it quiet and don't be 'loud and proud' then everyone will get along better ! The fact that people may be gay and in the forces doesn't mean the whole world has to or wants to hear about it !!
This PC crap we have to put up with today has gone way too far !!
Oh and the abuse I'm getting from my ex-fish'ead mates who I took the p!ss out of mercillessly in the past is coming back at me with extreme prejudice !!
However, Proud said the following, and I applaud him for it ...
Maybe one day it'd be ok for me to post under my normal nic - without having to worry about people making a huge fuss about it. I just want to get on with my life, without having to worry about snide remarks and school-yard gossip.
Til that time, I guess I will do what I have always done, and not march in Mardi Gras, but at the same time, not deny it if anyone does get the guts to ask...
Til that time, I guess I will do what I have always done, and not march in Mardi Gras, but at the same time, not deny it if anyone does get the guts to ask...
So to sum up though ... please don't be loud and proud ! You're officially allowed to do what you do, but the rest of us really don't want to know about it !
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Milt - not only are we in the same community, but I could be in the office next to you. Who knows, maybe we might even share a beer at the bar. The point is, you probably wouldnt know who is gay, and who isnt. I am far from being the only gay aircrew type in the RAAF (or any other service for the matter). Do you really think it matters???
Oh, and odds are you have a much higher chance of getting HIV (at least get your terminology correct if you are going to rant) - particularly if you frequent the bar girls in Thailand
From the UN (WHO):
UN WHO site
If you are going to carry on like a prat, at least make sure your facts are right.
BEagle - I am curious as to your source for that word?
It doesnt come up in Google at all, nor at Yahoo, Dictionary.com, Mirriam-Webster Online, yourDictionary.com, or Cambridge Dictionaries Online.
Oh, and odds are you have a much higher chance of getting HIV (at least get your terminology correct if you are going to rant) - particularly if you frequent the bar girls in Thailand
From the UN (WHO):
The most frequent mode of transmission in this region [Asia] is through heterosexual behavior. Men who travel away from home to work often get lonely and have sex with prostitutes, then frequently carry diseases home to their wives.
The HIV/AIDS pandemic continues to spread. Now its victims are most likely to be women, children and young people.
If you are going to carry on like a prat, at least make sure your facts are right.
BEagle - I am curious as to your source for that word?
It doesnt come up in Google at all, nor at Yahoo, Dictionary.com, Mirriam-Webster Online, yourDictionary.com, or Cambridge Dictionaries Online.
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Would their Airships be happy for me to be seen on a float, in uniform, with some scantily clad page 3 girlies? No, thought not, so why appease the sausage-jockey fraternity??
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Gents, ladies, please!
I dislike the idea of a gay pride march being supported by RAF men and women in uniform. Equally, I would dislike a uniformed presence at similar non-gay events!
However, I can see that the presence of a recruiting team is not worth the "hissy fit" that this thread is inducing! Furthermore, some of the downright unpleasant comments (more suited to lavatory walls) will give ammunition to the PC-police that we suffer under already!
Moderator....help!
I dislike the idea of a gay pride march being supported by RAF men and women in uniform. Equally, I would dislike a uniformed presence at similar non-gay events!
However, I can see that the presence of a recruiting team is not worth the "hissy fit" that this thread is inducing! Furthermore, some of the downright unpleasant comments (more suited to lavatory walls) will give ammunition to the PC-police that we suffer under already!
Moderator....help!
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I saw a photo of a Fg Off admittedly in the Mail on Sunday) walking along handing out sweets, hat off. Notwithstanding my comments above about the debate on this thread degenerating somewhat, some questions have to be asked:
1. Was this simply a recruiting presence or was it gay servicemen and women taking an active part in the march?
2. If this was an active participation in the march, in uniform, then what has happened to the QRs about "active participation" in political events, and on the occasions when uniform can be worn?
3. If this was an active participation in the march, in uniform, what will happen when I pitch up at a "Blair Out" or a "Stop the Defence Cuts" march, in light blue or otherwise?
I do not care about the private lives of those I serve alongside, and whatever manifestations do cross over into the public domain, for example, same-sex couples at Mess functions are no issue whatsoever. However, support of what is in effect a pressure group march, in uniform, run completely contrary to the ethos we have maintained over the decades of being neutral with regard to any public displays other than those along the lines of the Battle of Britain and Remembrance Sunday. Furthermore, if it is OK in one instance (ie a gay pride march) it should be OK in other instances of personal belief!
1. Was this simply a recruiting presence or was it gay servicemen and women taking an active part in the march?
2. If this was an active participation in the march, in uniform, then what has happened to the QRs about "active participation" in political events, and on the occasions when uniform can be worn?
3. If this was an active participation in the march, in uniform, what will happen when I pitch up at a "Blair Out" or a "Stop the Defence Cuts" march, in light blue or otherwise?
I do not care about the private lives of those I serve alongside, and whatever manifestations do cross over into the public domain, for example, same-sex couples at Mess functions are no issue whatsoever. However, support of what is in effect a pressure group march, in uniform, run completely contrary to the ethos we have maintained over the decades of being neutral with regard to any public displays other than those along the lines of the Battle of Britain and Remembrance Sunday. Furthermore, if it is OK in one instance (ie a gay pride march) it should be OK in other instances of personal belief!