Pay as You Starve!
Would you believe that, at RAF Halton, Compass have bought off Peg's Tea Bar so that there would be no competition? Anyone not wishing to partake of the Compass offerings will now be forced to take a walk down to the Van of Death outside the SIF Shop!
I just hope that the Med Centre stock up on Immodium.
I just hope that the Med Centre stock up on Immodium.
What a load of tosh this contractorisation is proving to be! It seems that MoD beancounters still know the price of everything but the value of nothing.
For another example of PAYD lunacy, see what's happening at Lympstone. Visit http://www.savedutchy.co.uk/ and sign the petition!
For another example of PAYD lunacy, see what's happening at Lympstone. Visit http://www.savedutchy.co.uk/ and sign the petition!
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Any news about whether contracts are due to go ahead?
As a matter of note, some disgusting PAYD propaganda has been placed in our mess... was tempted to burn it quietly or throw it in the bin...
The only way the contractors will ever get to make a profit will be via the mess bar... and civvie bar prices. Save our messes!
As a matter of note, some disgusting PAYD propaganda has been placed in our mess... was tempted to burn it quietly or throw it in the bin...
The only way the contractors will ever get to make a profit will be via the mess bar... and civvie bar prices. Save our messes!
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I think a poll is needed here.
As a serious comment all the comments I have ever seen about PAYD indicate people are happier but word on the street always suggests that Mess life is degrading.
As said before:
Save our Messes!
As a serious comment all the comments I have ever seen about PAYD indicate people are happier but word on the street always suggests that Mess life is degrading.
As said before:
Save our Messes!
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Chutley, hate to say it but those were the rules you joined to. I dont belive an institution should be abandoned to make our lives easier. And I am not 100%, but I believe the armed forces select comittee are discussing (quite a while now) changes in to eligibility for FMQ for people with partners. Dont knwo when, but it has been mentioned
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I understand PTC has suspended the ITT (Invitation To Tender) for PAYD. Although I do not know what STC are doing. I also understand, that on the same day as PTC suspended the ITT the 'Lords and Masters' signed off agreement that PAYD should proceed in the MoD. Interesting times!
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What? you mean they massively ramped up bar prices for profits and charged you for individual portions of bread and butter. No thanks. I like my mess the way it is thank you. Why isit that F**king blunties have to come along and play with things that arent broken? Were they born with breaking stuff as thier life mission. IF IT AINT BROKE LEAVE WELL ALONE!!!!
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I quite like the sound of the PAYD thingy. Despite a shrinking force, I've yet to experience it. Probably do the world of good to my waistline! A thought.....How about PAYF (Pay As You Fly), we could sell all the ac to some enterprising organisation and ONLY pay for the ac when we fly them. We could get rid of the smelly bits of the RAF like the plumbers and sumpies etc that way. We could extend that to PAYP (Pay As You Pole) and get rid of all the aircrew chaps as well. Next PAYS (Pay As You Scribble) and get rid of the losers in Admin, then PAYFEA (Pay As You F**k EverybodyAbout) and get rid of the Air W*n*e*s who dream up all this ****e!
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As someone who works on a PAYD camp, i think its a 50/50 thing on its plus side you pay for what you eat , the times you can eat are better to although they could be doing with making the times the core mess is open to a little later, it was origionally muted to us up here the mess was going to be 24 hr job , on the down side if you work on a sqn and eat in a annex to the mess little has changed in terms of food quality and choice you just pay more.
so peggys van is a thing of the past? when ESS got the contract here the
the kebab van got the flick and allegedyly ESS wanted to stop the sections on stations t-bars and roll making enterprise!
slightly off topic :
when on a APC in cyprus we got charged food, because if we were on a ordinary camp we wouldnt have the choice where we ate, however i always thought this was unfair given that none of us had a choice to eat off camp or even wanted to be there in the first place.
so peggys van is a thing of the past? when ESS got the contract here the
the kebab van got the flick and allegedyly ESS wanted to stop the sections on stations t-bars and roll making enterprise!
slightly off topic :
when on a APC in cyprus we got charged food, because if we were on a ordinary camp we wouldnt have the choice where we ate, however i always thought this was unfair given that none of us had a choice to eat off camp or even wanted to be there in the first place.
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Roland wrote - 'The solution must be to stop the subsidies from food charges that go to other areas and continue with the system we have. Unfortunate for the areas where food is currently "free" but does mean that all should get what they pay for. It still wont stop the moaning of a "I pay for 21 meals but only ever eat 3" - that's the system like it, eat more or move out.'
Totally agree. Out of the £3.50 odd standard food charge, messes receive around £1.30 as the Daily Messing Rate. Having talked to a Catering WO, the rest pays for 24 hr rat packs and "free" food for all livers-out whilst in 'field conditions'. At least singlies now get LSSA after they antiquated SEPAL.
Totally agree. Out of the £3.50 odd standard food charge, messes receive around £1.30 as the Daily Messing Rate. Having talked to a Catering WO, the rest pays for 24 hr rat packs and "free" food for all livers-out whilst in 'field conditions'. At least singlies now get LSSA after they antiquated SEPAL.
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Originally Posted by fightingchickenplumb
So peggys van is a thing of the past?
Had my obligitory egg burger whenever I get back to Halton.
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Originally Posted by mbga9pgf
What? you mean they massively ramped up bar prices for profits and charged you for individual portions of bread and butter. No thanks. I like my mess the way it is thank you. Why isit that F**king blunties have to come along and play with things that arent broken? Were they born with breaking stuff as thier life mission. IF IT AINT BROKE LEAVE WELL ALONE!!!!
When are you going to wake up and small the coffee? Do you really think a bluntie is behind this? This is imposed from above! Not by some bluntie, but someone who used to fly! or even higher!!!
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Well said Pristina. GD Branch gets to play with aeroplanes and not get involved with secondary duties or any of that stuff which might give them a reasonable grounding in the wider picture. Then, all of sudden, they are at MOD in the obligatory, career building, staff post - and they realise that they know f--- all about how the RAF is really run. Doesn't stop them making stupid decisions though - or quietly acquiescing to lunatic decisions from the airships.
PAYD??? This ex-blunty was shouting to all concerned that it wouldn't work way back in 1987.
PAYD??? This ex-blunty was shouting to all concerned that it wouldn't work way back in 1987.
Contractorisation has been around for donkey's years and, in my experience, has been a disaster. HQSTC was the worst. Good food but the staff were all students with a less than acceptable grip on the Queens English. I remember a receptionist, who spoke no English, trying to call a Practice Fire Evacuation on the Mess tannoy once, very amusing but a little worrying if she had to do it for real. That was in the late 90's so things may be better now.
Interestingly, they always brought in RAF Stewards when the wheels were Dining In.
No experience of PAYD but it seems very popular amongst the younger elements. Must admit, the many years I spent as a Liver In I would have jumped at the chance top opt out as Mess food has never that exciting. Also, some of the bloody stupid rules sometimes in force. In the early 80's we had a PMC at Buchan who insisted that all Officers wore jacket and tie for breakfast and beans were banned from the menu as they were not considered an Officers vegetable.
Sadly, I think the days of individual Messes with their traditions and 'extras' are numbered. What makes the pill an even more bitter one to swallow is the fact that we just know the alternative will be cheap, nasty and poorly thought out, with you and me figuring at the bottom of the list of priorities.
I've said it before and I will say it again. We are heading for the UK Defence Force which will eventually be swallowed up by a bigger, even less efficient, EU Defence Force. Ear Rings and pony tails will be the norm with uniform only being worn at your place of work.
Interestingly, they always brought in RAF Stewards when the wheels were Dining In.
No experience of PAYD but it seems very popular amongst the younger elements. Must admit, the many years I spent as a Liver In I would have jumped at the chance top opt out as Mess food has never that exciting. Also, some of the bloody stupid rules sometimes in force. In the early 80's we had a PMC at Buchan who insisted that all Officers wore jacket and tie for breakfast and beans were banned from the menu as they were not considered an Officers vegetable.
Sadly, I think the days of individual Messes with their traditions and 'extras' are numbered. What makes the pill an even more bitter one to swallow is the fact that we just know the alternative will be cheap, nasty and poorly thought out, with you and me figuring at the bottom of the list of priorities.
I've said it before and I will say it again. We are heading for the UK Defence Force which will eventually be swallowed up by a bigger, even less efficient, EU Defence Force. Ear Rings and pony tails will be the norm with uniform only being worn at your place of work.
