Movers v Loadies (Merged)
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Unfortunatly dont know anymore about this than you echo 5.
I know we have alot of chimps who work in our trade so nothing would shock me !but we dont usualy make a habit of losing crew kit though so perhaps sideshow bob can explain a bit more rather than slagging us off.
I know we have alot of chimps who work in our trade so nothing would shock me !but we dont usualy make a habit of losing crew kit though so perhaps sideshow bob can explain a bit more rather than slagging us off.
Since Sideshow Bob and his crew were deploying for 8 weeks I can only assume they were paxing out on an operational detachment. The 'kit' lost would no doubt include headsets, oxygen masks, nav bags, etc as well as personal stuff. No doubt if I were to take a shot in the dark it was unloaded somewhere other than the intended destination. All of which has no doubt reduced the crew's effectiveness in their role.
Not rocket science really.
P.S Nice to know from Mobile Muppet that the movers will lose your kit for you if they feel at all slighted!!! The words - GROW UP - spring to mind!!
Not rocket science really.
P.S Nice to know from Mobile Muppet that the movers will lose your kit for you if they feel at all slighted!!! The words - GROW UP - spring to mind!!
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Obviously you never saw the intended sarcasm in my earlier post. I can asure you we would never intentionaly lose peoples personal kit... although i know it happens i would like to think you know that sometimes we are prone to the odd f*&k up like anyone else.
Obviously you never saw the intended sarcasm in my earlier post. I can asure you we would never intentionaly lose peoples personal kit... although i know it happens i would like to think you know that sometimes we are prone to the odd f*&k up like anyone else.
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Guys,
Stole this from another thread:
"A Herc captain whilst boarding points to his luggage on the pan and tells the loadie " Loadmaster, my luggage "
On arrival at some far flung place the captain is unable to find his cases
Captain " Loadie where are my suitcases ?"
To which the loadie replies " Probably still on the pan where you pointed them out "
And this one:
"Late 80s a certain Nimrod Sqn Cdr (MAC) departing for S Atlantic, points to his bags and tells the nearest SNCO to keep an eye on them.
2 mins after take off and going IMC.
"Captain - Port Beam. Just lost sight of your bags Sir."
All good fun eh.
Rgds,
E5.
Stole this from another thread:
"A Herc captain whilst boarding points to his luggage on the pan and tells the loadie " Loadmaster, my luggage "
On arrival at some far flung place the captain is unable to find his cases
Captain " Loadie where are my suitcases ?"
To which the loadie replies " Probably still on the pan where you pointed them out "
And this one:
"Late 80s a certain Nimrod Sqn Cdr (MAC) departing for S Atlantic, points to his bags and tells the nearest SNCO to keep an eye on them.
2 mins after take off and going IMC.
"Captain - Port Beam. Just lost sight of your bags Sir."
All good fun eh.
Rgds,
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Not everyone in the RAF is as opinionated and hostile to other trades as you are. Not once did we complain whilst being shoved around from pillar to post including the 7 hours the movers left us in the departure lounge (if that’s what you can call it) at Basrah with only a packet of crisps to eat (I kid you not). We believed the mover who said "Don't worry about those boxes, we'll look after them for you" well he certainly did, we haven't seen them since. Biggus has hit the nail on the head with the contents of the boxes. Perhaps the mover who has misplaced them would like to explain why there is a crew in theatre that can not carry out its role. Ho and please do not accuse any of the crew or myself of sinking to your level and bitching and moaning for no good reason or slighting someone without having any knowledge of what occurred.
Not everyone in the RAF is as opinionated and hostile to other trades as you are. Not once did we complain whilst being shoved around from pillar to post including the 7 hours the movers left us in the departure lounge (if that’s what you can call it) at Basrah with only a packet of crisps to eat (I kid you not). We believed the mover who said "Don't worry about those boxes, we'll look after them for you" well he certainly did, we haven't seen them since. Biggus has hit the nail on the head with the contents of the boxes. Perhaps the mover who has misplaced them would like to explain why there is a crew in theatre that can not carry out its role. Ho and please do not accuse any of the crew or myself of sinking to your level and bitching and moaning for no good reason or slighting someone without having any knowledge of what occurred.
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Thoughts on the matter...
If I were a Pilot i'd fly through the air, look down at the people as they look up and glare,
If I were a Nav, i'm sure you'd agree, i'd have power over all who fly here with me,
If I were a Dry man, with fast hand and mind, no bugger could move without catching my eye,
If I were a Wet man, patience is my friend, but that sub'll know i'm here when he meets his end,
If I were an Eng, with a few years behind me, no problem big or small would put me in a stymee,
If I were an AEO, losing my hair, i'd be brave, noble, bold as I cut throught the air,
If I were a Loadie, you know, 'done the course', the world is my oyster, two wings my horse,
But i'm just a mover, so i'll move this over there, and give **** to aircrew when they get in my hair.
And for those born without a humor bone, it's a laugh - geddit?
If I were a Nav, i'm sure you'd agree, i'd have power over all who fly here with me,
If I were a Dry man, with fast hand and mind, no bugger could move without catching my eye,
If I were a Wet man, patience is my friend, but that sub'll know i'm here when he meets his end,
If I were an Eng, with a few years behind me, no problem big or small would put me in a stymee,
If I were an AEO, losing my hair, i'd be brave, noble, bold as I cut throught the air,
If I were a Loadie, you know, 'done the course', the world is my oyster, two wings my horse,
But i'm just a mover, so i'll move this over there, and give **** to aircrew when they get in my hair.
And for those born without a humor bone, it's a laugh - geddit?
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As part of the ongoing debarkle that is lost boxes, i feel that the movers, instead of sendin a signal could have resolved the whole issue by picking the fone up and calling a few bases
i know they are under a lot of pressure but 4 large boxes, how can u missplace them!
But i do have faith, i will prob. be re-united with me kit back at Brize, jus b4 its loaded on a flight for Germany!
Seriously, its a shame because our effectiveness is reduced by having to loan other kit, and squippers workload trebled, and no respirator means no war zone!!
i know they are under a lot of pressure but 4 large boxes, how can u missplace them!
But i do have faith, i will prob. be re-united with me kit back at Brize, jus b4 its loaded on a flight for Germany!
Seriously, its a shame because our effectiveness is reduced by having to loan other kit, and squippers workload trebled, and no respirator means no war zone!!
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Here's a thought:
Nowadays we have to sign for everything and be personnaly liable for anything, imprests, cars and such like. When I go into the flying clothing section to get my helmet, LSJ etc, I now have to sign for it. Why not get the Mover who takes any kit off you to sign for it. If it goes missing he's personally responsible and has to cough up the cost of the missing items. Perhaps a little more care might be taken?
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Nowadays we have to sign for everything and be personnaly liable for anything, imprests, cars and such like. When I go into the flying clothing section to get my helmet, LSJ etc, I now have to sign for it. Why not get the Mover who takes any kit off you to sign for it. If it goes missing he's personally responsible and has to cough up the cost of the missing items. Perhaps a little more care might be taken?
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Good idea Reichman to make the mover sign for the kit once it's handed in. This happens for such things as V and A. The kit is signed for and placed in a secure lock up, checked every 12 hours and when loaded to the aircraft, signed for by the ALM.
Can you imagine the ALM signing for all the Aircrew boxes/bags in addition to everything else they have to sign for? Because, if I have signed for them, then I will want a signature when I pass them on.
by sending a signal, there is a clear trail of the line of actions taken to trace the missing boxes. The message has more chance of being acted upon than being ignored by the peron who answers the phone.
Can you imagine the ALM signing for all the Aircrew boxes/bags in addition to everything else they have to sign for? Because, if I have signed for them, then I will want a signature when I pass them on.
instead of sendin a signal could have resolved the whole issue by picking the fone up and calling a few bases
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Reichman
Slightly off tack but felt the need to point out that you cannot be charged (inc 30% departmental costs) for items of safety equipment lost if it is the employers duty to ensure that you have it. Nomex suit, gloves, S10, CBA. The list is endless.
Does not, however, stop you volunteering for extra OOs if you make too much of a habit of it.
Slightly off tack but felt the need to point out that you cannot be charged (inc 30% departmental costs) for items of safety equipment lost if it is the employers duty to ensure that you have it. Nomex suit, gloves, S10, CBA. The list is endless.
Does not, however, stop you volunteering for extra OOs if you make too much of a habit of it.
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4fitter,
We only have to sign for our kit on a daily basis at home base. When we go on detachmant we don't bother for some strange reason.
November4,
Things very seldom go missing once they are on the airacraft. It just seems to be the bit between the departure terminal and the airacraft and the bit between the airacraft and the arrivals terminal or, to give it's other name, Movements.
We only have to sign for our kit on a daily basis at home base. When we go on detachmant we don't bother for some strange reason.
November4,
Things very seldom go missing once they are on the airacraft. It just seems to be the bit between the departure terminal and the airacraft and the bit between the airacraft and the arrivals terminal or, to give it's other name, Movements.
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As a humble and lowly Loggy-type, it is whilst prostrated and chanting "All Hail the Front End Master Race" (whilst flagellating myself of course) that I approach Reichman. I had hoped to kiss the hem of his (hallowed) flying suit, but I find just basking in the glow to suffice. I am warmed and humbled in his magnificent presence. As I back away, same style, I feel the glow diminishing and another desire takes hold of me, but I shall refrain from gripping him there - he has been sent to us for a reason - one which we are not yet enlightened enough to know.
You have had a rough deal. You have whinged about it. You have then whinged about it again. All fine. However, you have then committed the cardinal sin and made a stupid suggestion and told people (largely innocent of such a crime) how to do a job. If you had responsibility for things that were outside your armspan you might not float such ideas.
Three words for you. Wah. Wah. Oh yes - and Wah.
You have had a rough deal. You have whinged about it. You have then whinged about it again. All fine. However, you have then committed the cardinal sin and made a stupid suggestion and told people (largely innocent of such a crime) how to do a job. If you had responsibility for things that were outside your armspan you might not float such ideas.
Three words for you. Wah. Wah. Oh yes - and Wah.
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Mr C Hinecap
Very nice post there mate. Went right over my head. Don't recall whingeing (sp?) about anything. Just "a thought" which know will never happen. Don't recall telling anyone how to do their job
Am I not allowed to "float such ideas"?
Are you the only one here with an opinion that matters?
Good banter though.
Reichman
Very nice post there mate. Went right over my head. Don't recall whingeing (sp?) about anything. Just "a thought" which know will never happen. Don't recall telling anyone how to do their job
Am I not allowed to "float such ideas"?
Are you the only one here with an opinion that matters?
Good banter though.
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Ooooh, Mr ShineCap Sir, what a wordsmith thou art Sir, we don'st deliver the fiery power of war 'neath our wings, ney, we haul'st sh1t from alpha to omega, now don't get on My aircraft to nick the rations until I've got my shopping off.
Load Moving........
Oh and er,
kilo for pound, or is it tonne for ton, ney Sir \'tis gallons vs milligrams, so spake the pretty young thing what launched Albert 150% overweight during GW1( Ooooh silly me-----Slap) anyway I\'d rather have muppetry weight or should that be mass, in fuel because fuel goes away at the end of the route .( H&P mates ignore this bait)...Help yourselves ......
Load Moving........
Load Moving........
Oh and er,
kilo for pound, or is it tonne for ton, ney Sir \'tis gallons vs milligrams, so spake the pretty young thing what launched Albert 150% overweight during GW1( Ooooh silly me-----Slap) anyway I\'d rather have muppetry weight or should that be mass, in fuel because fuel goes away at the end of the route .( H&P mates ignore this bait)...Help yourselves ......
Load Moving........
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It's been missing a week now, looks like we are going to have to have a new set of headsets oxymasks and nav bags sent out from ISK. Movers have no idea where the boxes went after Basrah, even though I was there when they were given then at the terminal. We've managed all week by swapping kit between crews, but god help us if we want to fly two aircraft at the same time, also we are in theatre with no helmets and resperators. No one seams to mind though
It's been missing a week now, looks like we are going to have to have a new set of headsets oxymasks and nav bags sent out from ISK. Movers have no idea where the boxes went after Basrah, even though I was there when they were given then at the terminal. We've managed all week by swapping kit between crews, but god help us if we want to fly two aircraft at the same time, also we are in theatre with no helmets and resperators. No one seams to mind though
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Ah - now Dummy. Thou art the one to bring the light into my life this day. Your words are like a cough syrup to my ravaged throat, sore from shouting at Johnny Foreigner, for he does not understand the most elementary of instructions. You parry with slightly dulled, but possibly rapier, wit. It has struck my breast, but with more of a 'thud' than the piercing 'snick' you had perhaps hoped. Yes, you have wounded me with that 'thud' and I reel, surprised but alive with the thrill of the battle.
Come on - bantering on a cock-up 12 yrs ago. We've screwed up far more and more recently! Not me personally like.
Ah - if only we had the resources we need to do the job. Well - we have - but to do it better? There is a dream worth having.
Bob - I do feel for you. Sorry from those who can look the customer in the eye. Not having the kit you need when you had it in your hand is pants. Hope it gets there soon or one of the Movs Masters from somewhere reads this and prods somewhere responsive.
Come on - bantering on a cock-up 12 yrs ago. We've screwed up far more and more recently! Not me personally like.
Ah - if only we had the resources we need to do the job. Well - we have - but to do it better? There is a dream worth having.
Bob - I do feel for you. Sorry from those who can look the customer in the eye. Not having the kit you need when you had it in your hand is pants. Hope it gets there soon or one of the Movs Masters from somewhere reads this and prods somewhere responsive.