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60 guys from the B738 alone Now where are they going to live :):) |
Expat upgrade
Mutt I didn't know that expats have been upgraded in the past . Nevertheless the procedure is the same as in any typical flag carrier (with the recent exception of BA with the A320 captains who got training for the A380). First all the way up to the top as a FO then back on the initial type. Minimum 10 years
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I'd say two-thirds are DEC, and equal number of CAs and FOs from the B772
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10 years ago they had 9 First Officers on the Classic. They were all assessed for command. Then they hired FO's for the Classic and MD11, so in the last 10 years there was no one with the seniority to get offered an upgrade.
Anyone who joins today will need 1000 others to upgrade before them and remember that the system is biased, it will accept a few expat upgrades at a time, but it wont accept a full class, so seniority numbers will be jumped. |
Originally Posted by msian1147
(Post 9146374)
Yeah 60 guys from the B738 alone
100 Malaysian pilots; what percentage are really going to want to stay living in Jeddah, home 3 days a month. I think this could be a shot in the foot, they maybe filling the training academy for 6 months with guys who'll go home at the first opportunity. |
news
New rostering program (Jeppesen) soon to be implemented.most probably from January or February
GACA authorized the CCQ for the 320-330 transition . New joiners who are type rated in SV types will not have to do the type rating again. No more Jepp updates:D:D:D: iPad usage starts from the E-170 next month and within the next 2-3 months (they say 6 weeks but I double it for obvious reasons :)) all the fleets will use the Jepp application on the iPad. 140 pilots got hired from MAS. New hotel for the new joiners . Shared accommodation in a 180m suite (each individual with his own bedroom plus hotel transportation to the Academy) Houses allocation is now based on the day of joining . New joiners do not visit the housing department in S.City for choosing their house but only to get registered. Allocation is being made from a new manager on the FLT ops as there were many complaints as people with 6-10 months in JED were stuck in the Hotel and other people with 3-6 weeks got a house. That's all folks |
Hey, nice to hear your updates! I`m new in SV , hoping by the time I get all the works done I get an accomodation for me and the family! So, no single room for each new comer? I hope to get a nice roomate ! It`s like colleague time , lottery I are lucky to get a nice person to share the room with you!
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Good news :D
But what's the deal on 787. They have advertised for non rated 787 pilots in LPJ. |
Regarding the hotel, you either go to a single room hotel ( Habitat Hotel ) or in a sharing suite ( Radisson Blu ). There is a kitchen in the suite, which is a big +, and a supermarket down the street.
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Tha sounds just perfect to me! You can get a good meal and still save some money! How long usually takes the whole process of joining and get your line check? Is there anyway you can print the manuals for the ground school? I`m a bit old fashion when it comes to study material!
Thanks for the tips!!! |
The 140 Malaysian guys are confirmed.
787 courses for the first 3 aircraft are pretty well full, any remaining places will go to 744 Pilots as those aircraft retire. Therefore no more 787 places before May next year. 777 courses are also full until April next year. I guess any recruitment for the coming 6 months will be for the Airbus. |
Can somebody confirm their requirements for FO on the wide body...
Basically my question is; Do they not accept any piston time for the total time? That is the impression I am getting from one HR contact I have. I was given a word application. For the flight time breakdown, that file only had space for Jet and Turboprop. So I listed what I had, and then in the total time I listed all of my time including GA time. And got an email that I don't meet the mins. In my case that can only be the case if they are not accepting piston time. I am right at their mins if I can have all my time included. |
Jet and glass that's what they like ...
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Al-Jasser revealed that the company will also be undertaking a significant project to support its expansion in future stages by tendering a license for a Saudi city in Al-Khalidiya neighborhood. The city will be constructed over a space of 1.5 million square meters and will include commercial and residential towers. He said this project will achieve economic returns for the company that will help it expand and develop. will any of the malaysians be going to the Embraer fleet??? JEDDAH: Director General of Saudi Arabian Airlines, (Saudia) Saleh Al-Jasser, has announced that 19 planes will be taken out of service during the upcoming period, of which 15 are the Embraer type and four ‘747’ jumbo jets. |
Saudia city
Mutt they are planning for two skyscrapers on the abandoned baseball court in Saudia City. The company is expecting a cost of up to 12M $ this year only for the hotel accommodation that is provided to the new joiners .The engineering department has already complete a full project for this particular area. The whole project is subject to approval within the next 2 months
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Not totally abandoned.
All the JYBL kids that play on the fields during the winter would disagree with it being considered abandoned. |
Refund
Hey guys, I was told to purchase an airline ticket to go to the screening process! Then I got here and they said they would refund my ticket to come and join! Do they ever pay you back ?
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They are doing a door to door survey on occupancy in the compound.
The way I see it, there should be a Kuala base up next year. |
Refund
Hey guys, I was told to purchase an airline ticket to go to the screening process! Then I got here and they said they would refund my ticket to come and join! Do they ever pay you back ? Hello Blue Macaw, yes they refund the ticket, but you must push and it could take 2 weeks..or months.. Keep all your documents to attest the expenses. Good luck for the screening |
Thank you ST135. I have kept all my receipts and a report with all expenses included!
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any chance of us a320 first officers getting in there,
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320 FO
Most probably u ll get hired on the A330. Expat FOs although it was advertised,never joined the A320 but only the 330 .since July assignments on the B777 only for those with boeing experience as local FOs complaining plus all the local cadets now start from the A320. According to a senior manager, hiring on the T7 will end by the end of January because SVA has only 4 more T7 to be delivered (2 pax 2 Freighters) so future needs will be covered with internal upgrades. Also some 777-200 are close to retirement. So for the foreseen future hiring only for Captains on the 320 and 330 as orders for new aircrafts already have been placed
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To know
Hello,
Some expats are still waiting for a house after almost 1 year and more and more pilots arrive. The company is unable to provide housing because the compound is full. And some houses must have a real refreshment before being usable. New trainees will live in the hotel for a long long time. The company is growing and we don’t feel special efforts to improve anything. If you plan to relocate your family, just forget to be together before 6, 7,8...12 months. The good thing being alone in the hotel is you will be fully available for the endless training and the dozen of exams, orals, simulator tests etc. you will have. It is not a piece of cake and you must study a lot if you don’t want to fail. Expect at least 4/5 months training (even if you are already rated !) with unstable schedule, before approaching the aircraft (apparently worst on 777). Expect to push the people in the offices, for recovering the money you will give for the visas, Iqama, eventually the legendary relocation cheque (never paid)...and sometimes per diems. The good thing is the wage arrives on time and if you attain the line training the salary is good. But about my experience I am disappointed by SVA. They don't care about you. When you call or you go for any information or help, the guy is never the one in charge of.. More and more guys think about leaving the company before the end of the training as they realize the mess. This is an objective point of view and some are surprised when they discover the reality. If you want to fly for money it is the right place, but prepare yourself to have hard time…and think twice before leaving your current position. |
Originally Posted by STS135
(Post 9178429)
Hello,
Some expats are still waiting for a house after almost 1 year and more and more pilots arrive. The company is unable to provide housing because the compound is full. And some houses must have a real refreshment before being usable. New trainees will live in the hotel for a long long time. The company is growing and we don’t feel special efforts to improve anything. If you plan to relocate your family, just forget to be together before 6, 7,8...12 months. The good thing being alone in the hotel is you will be fully available for the endless training and the dozen of exams, orals, simulator tests etc. you will have. It is not a piece of cake and you must study a lot if you don’t want to fail. Expect at least 4/5 months training (even if you are already rated !) with unstable schedule, before approaching the aircraft (apparently worst on 777). Expect to push the people in the offices, for recovering the money you will give for the visas, Iqama, eventually the legendary relocation cheque (never paid)...and sometimes per diems. The good thing is the wage arrives on time and if you attain the line training the salary is good. But about my experience I am disappointed by SVA. They don't care about you. When you call or you go for any information or help, the guy is never the one in charge of.. More and more guys think about leaving the company before the end of the training as they realize the mess. This is an objective point of view and some are surprised when they discover the reality. If you want to fly for money it is the right place, but prepare yourself to have hard time…and think twice before leaving your current position. Given the current accommodation situation and the fact that this contract is truly non commuting; I would suggest that if you have a young family it may be better to look for work at the big 3. |
Well, it takes about 1.5 years to comletely settle down. You know what you are suffering for. Then it's all easy. If you are not patient enough, look for another place. And good luck to find the same money:)
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Hello
In the training phase, is it possible to bring my family with a visit visa? thank's |
Reimbursement
I totally agree on the housing issue and the relocation bonus (some of us call it antiquity bonus ) but as far as it goes for reimbursement on expenses being made for visas travel expenses for the interview and per diem the company is faultless.they reimburse everything on your next salary ,sometimes even before that.
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B777
I'm Leaving to JED on 15th and starting on 22nd Nov. Anyone with me ?
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Family
@ghost7. Yes you can but its not a good idea.
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Alloha are you sure ? I've been told it's impossible..
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Once your iquama is issued, this takes probably around 2 weeks from the date you arrive; you can then get the family visit visa's issued, this will take between 2 weeks and 2 months.
I recommend though that once you have your iquama that you directly get your family their residence permits i.e. their iquama's. This takes a little over 2 months because you have to wait for the company to do an interview for you. |
Heard they're coming to KUL again for another roadshow, can anyone confirm this? Thanks
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Ok thanks for the reply Polax. I'll do it as soon as possible !
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Yes, I will be in the same training !
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787 F/O
Hello everybody
I am standing by for signing my preliminary contract, as F/O 787' I am current and rated on it, any idea about length of line training..??? And another thing , about the oral tests, what are the materials,is it by heart or you can look through the books..?? Thanx all. |
As of now regardless of your type and licenses you have to do a complete initial, plus all Saudia courses and English Proficiency, Saudia Medical, CRM, DG's etc. Count on 3 to 4 very intense months hard study and training, the standards are high and you will have to study hard. Testing is US style with Oral exams. If you don't study you will not pass. If you do it will be fair.
No open book, recall/memory items and limitations a must 100%; and good systems knowledge, performance, GOM, Jeppesen Company Procedures. Line training is done in one month with pre IOE oral, IOE, Final Oral and Final Check in your case as F/O by a Saudia Check Pilot. The plus side is once you are released, it will be very nice work; best pay in the ME, never late and you will be in a very relaxed atmosphere including recurrents. PM me if you need anything else. Guiones |
Some Things Never Change......
Hello, Some expats are still waiting for a house after almost 1 year and more and more pilots arrive. The company is unable to provide housing because the compound is full. And some houses must have a real refreshment before being usable. New trainees will live in the hotel for a long long time. The company is growing and we don’t feel special efforts to improve anything. If you plan to relocate your family, just forget to be together before 6, 7,8...12 months. The good thing being alone in the hotel is you will be fully available for the endless training and the dozen of exams, orals, simulator tests etc. you will have. It is not a piece of cake and you must study a lot if you don’t want to fail. Expect at least 4/5 months training (even if you are already rated !) with unstable schedule, before approaching the aircraft (apparently worst on 777). Expect to push the people in the offices, for recovering the money you will give for the visas, Iqama, eventually the legendary relocation cheque (never paid)...and sometimes per diems. The good thing is the wage arrives on time and if you attain the line training the salary is good. But about my experience I am disappointed by SVA. They don't care about you. When you call or you go for any information or help, the guy is never the one in charge of.. More and more guys think about leaving the company before the end of the training as they realize the mess. This is an objective point of view and some are surprised when they discover the reality. If you want to fly for money it is the right place, but prepare yourself to have hard time…and think twice before leaving your current position. Housing was awful then...rats coming up the toilet, only to complain and be laughed at, then, my family kidnapped while I was doing a flight to EGLL..another story. Nope...there are other fish to fry in this world. |
Thank you very much for the info. Do you have any idea about the planned destinations .???
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787 Destinations
After the first 2 months of round trips in the Area they have announced CDG ( from JED) CAN MAN . They have second thoughts for YYZ as the loads are high and most probably the 777 will continue to operate
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Visa
Hey guys I got my confirmation email two weeks ago and since then nothing, I've sent them my letter of release since the first November. Does anyone know how long it will take for the visa and job offer letter. Fo t7
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