The airlines are doing a bigger damage than you think because for those being made redundant in mid fifties onwards, not only is your flying cut short but also bringing your flying career to an abrupt end. Many did not see this coming but unfortunate it will be very difficult to get job at this age but also many will have not kept their licenses current back home. COVID recovery when it happens might be too late for some.

i think it’s prudent to think of a career change now while Many have financial stability and savings to tie over don’t think the airlines will ever care for the pilot accept as fodder. .. they don’t Care about you period !!

For many the loss of the job this summer has not quite sunk in yet or it they still in denial that it actually has happened. I think the need to prioritise now is vital and immediate, get your end of service benefit first, Then get out of this expensive place, the lines back home are getting longer.

No that's not entirely true, i know that the GF pilots have a union, but it's only for locals.
There are a number of unions for other industries as well in Bahrain and Oman.

Qatar had wonderful staff travel and I still miss it...But it wasn't exactly cheap, you paid a quite a bit! For example a roundtrip in Business to the USA was around $500
1x per year we had a free ticket home for the family
Most US airlines charge almost nothing for staff travel

Also noted They terminate Alkoot insurance on your departure from Qatar ...Most of the insurance back home needs 90 days grace period so I don't have any insurance in my home country. Instead of making sure they care about staff's health during these times they just kick you out of Qatar with no health insurance.

gtaflyer

this is a mess..... very sad... what about stranded people ? I have been outside of Qatar for 4 months now.

You left Qatar during lockdown? Some have been out of Qatar for 6 months.

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That's amazing of the US carriers.. Good thing the tickets are virtually free. Imagine if they also took income tax at over 45% of your hard earned money.. That would have been a real downer..

In the Spanish whatsup group someone wrote: one of the suspended pilots was upset with the company and grounded an aircraft, don’t know if true but hilarious! Anyone heard the same?
; )

Really? And you think it’s hilarious? If an aircraft is grounded, it’s grounded. You sound as genuine as your question.

Have the redundancies stopped for now or are they still happening? For the pilots who remain employed at QR it can't be a safe feeling if they're still ongoing without any kind of structure or published plan.

Hahahaha
was that you?

Hialrious ? Not only is not hilarious, it's also a complete bull****. Grounding an aircraft because you're upset ? Then what, go to jail ?

Even before the Redundancies, there was no SAFE feeling in Qr... Its just standard Qatar airways fear policy.

This manager a guy from the sub continent with name as a Capt. D ?
Well he’s a notorious a$$ ri$$er for AAB. And all that only to secure his own position in this pathetic excuse of a company 🙄

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/...qatar-airways/

New round
 

Well, apparently it's not done yet. More 320 guys have been let go just today.

Insanity, Basically so far 829 Flight Deck crew have been laid off...

Doubt so, with this pandemic, Airlines worldwide will have their pick at their discretion when time comes to do so. Thousands will line up for the rejoining, no hard feelings, and if there is, move aside and cry on your own while many will simply keep moving on.

I am not talking about Airline anymore, it is more, maybe you haven't see all the social media frenzy regarding Qatar on twitter and FB Pages, glad people have stood up, and are openly talking about, and i am happy, i am leaving early next yeat :)

What's EEP?

Can you elaborate on the social media frenzy? I'm completely oblivious as I don't subscribe to any...

Does anyone have any thoughts on when (and if) they will start asking people to rejoin?

I would imagine that’s a while yet. There are still hundreds of stranded pilots yet to return to work.

Mein Gott...

No, the guy is from the Italian subcontinent, also known as Sicily: and he “hand picked” an extra share of Italians to sacrifice to mask the few relatives and Ar Force buddies he “hand picked “ to save, so that nobody could call him out on the ****...

The body count will stop at 1050. Which relates with 65 to 75 airplanes grounded. Make your own math.

Take a comfortable seat, while you wait...

All 3 ME carriers rely heavily on the sub continent for traffic. India, as an example , @90000 single day positive cases for covid . Dubai single day @900 . Not sure traffic is going to return for some time as these numbers indicate possible lock down again . QR might be able to adapt better than EK because of fleet composition but still could be years! Take a guess at this point in time .

On numbers India looks much better then most of the countries considering it’s population. Can we trust their numbers - this is another issue.

Anyone left out due to vacation etc and COVID ban think themselves lucky if they are with family and friends. If families separated then it’s goes with territory ..sorry. My suggestion Is get the family out ASAP and sell everything in sandpit, the goods furniture cars are no value anywhere else. Think long term another career, business anything but airlines and air travel. I always kept my family back home where rock solid grammar schools cheap cost of living and most of all law and order where you have protection (well sort of except USA).

Hi flyingace77, can you be more specific about FB and Twitter? can you send some links..


I doubt there is going to be a long line to rejoin QR. After all the salary cuts, more stress on flights, more stress for stupid things by management (CHECKING WHATSAPP pilot groups is one of them) and many more things that are really wrong in Qr..

They just don't care mate..

This is crazy

I was wondering the same. Any update?

I have a question in regard to Gratuity payment... I signed up for ISP and I noticed the way the calculated end of service benefit is wrong.
As an example, someone with a service period of 7 years and 9 months will receive 8 years of service ( (90 days termination notice).

gratuity pay @ 21 days basic salary for 1825 days ( 5 years) = 150,000 QR
Gratuity pay @ 28 days basic salary for 1095 days (3 years)=. 120,000 QR

Total =270,000 QR

They stopped contributing to ISP right after your termination so they won't be depositing any money to ISP for the 90 days termination.
And since ISP has outperformed and acquire interest since inception 2016.
So imagine this person has up until the last day of employment not 320,000 QR.

So according to Qatar airways, they won't have to add any gratuity pay since the amount is higher in your ISP account.

I can only suggest you visit the ZIO website to find out your total contributions and where you've invested your money into (investment strategy-you chose when you enrolled for ISP). What I do is check it most of the time and see whether I'm making money out of my present strategy in the short term. Then look at the options available on whether I can gain by changing it for the long term. This also shows me whether how much is the approximate value of my entire portfolio (Company contributions plus my additional contribution).
And by the way, your computation is based on those people who didn't get ISP (gratuity payment, based on EOSB without investing). As to the actual amount it varies I believe based on the additional contributions (5%, 10% or 15%) you have signed for and again the Investment Strategy you've chosen. But it would help a lot if you visit the website and from there you can print all your contributions plus the company's share and compare this to the actual value (surrender value) stated in your account.
Just my two cents. Hope this helps.

What I meant was , when they terminate you they are not going to pay the last three months of contribution (5% of your salary into the program) .they just going to calculate what they own you from old program

That should be in your final settlement surely. Pay in-lieu of notice. As you were made redundant the 90 days worth of allowances should be in final settlement?

I’m not sure that’s correct OW

The policy documents state that QR will continue to contribute towards the savings plan fund (fund A) up to the last calendar day of the previous month, prior to the last working day (LWD) of an Employee.

I have already received my final settlement, there is a column called "notice days paid 90 days" but this is not including the %5 mandatory contribution of the employer for the 90 days. So it's meant they won't pay you 15% of your salary contribution for the 90 days to ISP. When they terminate your contract they are not going to let you fly for them for the 90 days period. They just pay you upfront the three months.

If someone voluntarily quit the company then they will pay you up until your last working day but not when they terminate your contract. Which is sad.

mmorel,
I am not against you clarifying this with HR, but I think you misunderstood the "payment in lieu of - Notice Period (90 days)". The 5% is included in that payment which I assume would be your contribution. The company's share would be 10%, as far as I know since I check my ISP contribution every month.
You might be wondering why they didn't pay this 10%-company contribution to you (for this 90 days notice period)? My only answer is because of the "Payment in Lieu of" notice period. You don't really have a case regarding this, as you have been paid for that 90 days in Lieu of your services, meaning you can and you may leave the job without having to work for this 90 days. That's probably contrary to your understanding, but if it so, you may email them and find out yourself. goodluck

THanks Leemankin.

Yes , That was my question, my 10 % company contribution was around $1500 per month and it was not included in 90 days in Lieu of my service. I guess that's how it works.

Thanks for the clarification.

Considering all the cuts have been done and their costs to the company; I don't expect anything before 2022...

Some of those who were stuck abroad, are starting to be called back. Anyone Jesé here this?