I’d delete this tbh...

Why? Because nimrodjoe has hit the nail right on the head?

Habibti says that Chief is pissed of at HR for Pilot Shortage, She said Chief said “Find him Pilots” Hr proposed that to cut off routes for summers & per day cost of not utilizing 777s is 100,000$ , she went to say, HR is in Deep :mad: along with Fleet Managers.

This was bound to happen
B777 commander getting 150hrs out of which 60-70hrs TRI in the sim ... Fatigued FD Crew we have- QR has lost his moral standing among the staff & the way they were treated & humiliated.

Wouldn't shed a single tear for any of the above "in Deep :mad:" group, honestly.
Chief has little to complain since ":mad:" din't happen in a day or two, it's almost a year that QR is firing pilots like there is no tomorrow. Does he really realize only now the consequences ?
We should present him with a lifetime subscription to PPRune, because it has all been written in here for months. Vaccines are going since December, would he expect to take 5 years for things to pick up pace again? Why didn't he use any possible form of unpaid leave to keep the most expensive of his human asset?
:mad: doesn't fly, as every Pilot ( capital p) knows; throw up :mad: in the air and its gonna fall down on your head.

I have a good friend who is on his final week....resigned without any job leads. He liked it there and had actually tried to discouraged me from leaving a year ago when I switched jobs. Now he says it is just that bad....constant fatigue and no carrot, just threats. Also hearing about many fuel emergencies because guys are afraid to take 1 drop extra for fear of losing their jobs. Doha has a beautiful airport and works well 99% of time but when a cb rolls across the little country ATC quickly becomes overwhelmed......just sad to see people have to be so fearful to make safe decisions.

If a professional pilot is declaring an emergency because he or she was too afraid to carry above minimum fuel they need to have a long hard chat with themselves, and if it happens more than once they should be stripped of their rank when they get back on the ground. In all airlines there are fuel misers and I'm sure we have all listened to obnoxious desk pilots who never fly about how reliable the minimum fuel figures are 99% of the time... my response? That's cool but I remember how it feels the 1% of the time it doesn't work out.

Very well said... can't remember last time I took off taking only minimum fuel, and in 20 years it never cost my job nor got called to give any explanation. But lost count of how many times I was glad I did bring along that little extra fuel. In my humble opinion the trick is to not overdue it, this will keep you under the radar but at the same time save you some headaches form time to time. I know the company will never really agree to that and on paper everyone flying on minimum fuel as much as possible will always bring best financial results even if some flights are to be diverted, but screw them... I just wanna do my job as relaxed as possible to be able to make better decisions when things don't go according to the flight plan.

Totally agree. My response to anyone who insists on minimum fuel all the time is quite simple:

'Taking a little extra may cost a little more but not taking enough can get real expensive, real quick.'

I always laughed...yes every college intern can calculate how much it cost to carry an extra ton of fuel per said flight...it’s on the flight plan. But they never mention how much it cost when a flight has to divert, and possibly the crew will exceed their max duty and passengers have to be accommodated etc... and this isn’t even considering the safety of the flight as cnn so accurately reported “ the 777 struggles to maintain altitude once the fuel tanks are empty”

Commercial departments DO do that calculation, and for most operations, the cost of routinely carrying excess fuel for no good reason, exceeds the marginal cost of an occasional diversion .

"the cost of routinely carrying excess fuel" translated means the additional fuel deemed necessary by the captain to conduct the flight safely and incorporates any additional factors that flight planning have omitted to do, such as busy arrival times at Doha, routinely being held at a lower flight level.... the list is endless.

Just because additional fuel is not utilised does not mean that it is a frivolous waste of company money. For me, it is good economic sense to plan for such events and prevent unnecessary diversions etc.

Extra Fuel uplift at the end of the day is at the discretion of the commander, but a proper analysis of the weather, peculiarities of the route, and arrival time at destination among others should be considered.

I have found that all of these are already taken into account. On the days that I need extra, it usually has already been added by dispatch. And then there are those who uplift willy nilly to the detriment of the operation.

As I said, extra fuel for anything that planning has omitted or unaware of for that matter...

They have insurance for the aeroplane hull and other liabilities in the event of an accident. Our job as pilots is to conduct the flight safely and that includes the 'fuel insurance' of having adequate fuel in the tanks when the plan doesn't go according the the expected plan.

Why Nigerian lady pilot on IG have two bars ? What is the rank ?

Interesting.

pfvspnf

1 - Second Officer
2 - First Officer
3 - Senior First Officer
4 - Captain

Well... since we had an excellent diversion on the forum discussing about fuel, let us take a step back into the realm of rumors, jobs, firing, hiring, salaries, etc.

Things that I have heard;

1. Most of the boeing guys contacted, have not returned to the airline yet and the communication between QA and the outside boring pilots have gone cold. Makes it seem that the airline was dipping their feet into the water just to see who they are able to get back when they require. Once again, QA doing some :mad: to someone...

2. Those who are called back ( Who QA has kept in contact with) have not or find it difficult to get RPs to enter Doha.

3. Is anyone aware if QA has pilots who are currently in Doha still fired?

4. Approval for the Flight Deck rehiring has been approved end of April, meaning that we should start to see an increase in rehiring

5. Rehiring will be on a experience based process, apparently NOT FLEET BASED... Which can make a tiny bit of sense, since the 330 guys for example were experienced but can now return even though the 330 is gone. But this will obviously create some issues within the pilot community. Knowing akbar airlines.... some stupidity will occur to anger most people.

6. Cabin crew - what ever is going on with them makes ZERO sense! The are firing and rehiring. This is because they are apparently desperate for them, but separations team did not get the memo (typical communication issues) so after getting fired, a few days/weeks they are getting called back, with a 'warning letter' to sign.... I have no idea why this letter exist but i can confirm it. Can anyone explain?

7. As always mentioned 777 NEED pilots! Cargo department are begging for cargo to be moved. They have the birds on ground, but no one to fly it.

8. 320 has been progressively restarting operations. My prediction is all those new flights to KSA, UAE, etc. which restarted this year ( where QA wanted to show that they could swing their big :mad: by sending their wide body planes [777, 787, 350] ) would be finally reconverted to 320 flights. European flights have officially gone back to 320.

9. 350 pilots are flying an unbelievable amount. Their rosters have been published late, because QA scheduling are struggling to keep planes in the sky. 350 pilots can expect to have an increase in hours from now! I can also confirm some older guys are leaving, because the work is getting way too much.

10. 380 still have not restarted, it was expect to by April, but delays delays... strangely enough emirates are bringing them back in heavy force and have been showing some sign of positivity. This does show some demand for travel in the world.

11. 787 Heard nothing really.

12. If there are any MPL pilots (non-qataris) can you please say something? Have anyone been called? Messaged? Emailed? Contacted? Also the if you are a CPL SO, if you say something it will be greatly appreciated!

13. India and their massive C19 problem is a significant problem for QA. India was a HUGE market for us! Airlines are expecting once things fix there the gulf carriers will be in a much better position, hence companies like QA would/will/have send/sent needed resources for them. For the Indians reading this, please get your :mad: together. not only for QA but their is a large number of deaths in the country and many suffering. It hurts my heart to hear/see this. I wish India and all countries in the would a speedy recovery. Let us get out of this pandemic!

13. The sheik just paid off the debts of many in qatar for the month of Ramadan! Very generous of him! But read the article a little more you will realize it is ONLY for qataris. Anyone living in qatar will expect this... my point being, expect that akbar himself got a few billion dollars injected into his airline as a Ramadan gift. Don't get this idea that QA is struggling for money...

14. QA currently needs pilot and CC. It is not the stories people on this forum said months ago, that QA will need crew... that time has passed, and now they NEED crew. They are massively understaffed! This is going to cause a negative feedback loop. (In a few months time, someone should quote this here for me)

With the currently lack of crew, and the significant demand, the only option for them is to overwork the current pilots and CC, this will result in the exhaustion of the current workforce they have; resulting the the frustration and 'loss' (leave) of those who they currently have. Making the gap between the 'availability of crew' to 'demand of crew' bigger resulting in more over worked and more leaving increasing the gap even more. ( Negative feedback loop)

What is going on in HR is they are walking on tip-toes. They are scared to hire more staff and then the demand doesn't present itself, then they will have an excess of crew. Hence they are just contacting some ex-staff and saying ' do you want to come back' At the same time, they know that if the demand does come they will need these people but they believe they can get back crew in a matter of weeks! Oh how they are mistaken!

It is Ramadan, let us see how good akbar and his loyal followers are. In such a kind and giving month, stop firing, start rehiring! it will be not only the better option for you, but for the airline as well...

Checking the forums, i have noticed that we have not been posting much. I do encourage every and anyone to post. Being in a pandemic, some may be without jobs and some may be in quarantine (both here in Doha and in other countries in the world) this forum may be a beacon of hope to people who read it! Anything you say here is safe and people do appreciate it! To all the Muslims here, Happy Ramadan and Eid!

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This is a traffic forecast for a MAJOR EUROPEAN AIRPORT that before the pandemic used to be served with 3 daily flights, normally two 787 and one 777 in winter and two 777 and one 787 in summer.

Full recovery is not even envisaged for the next 5 years.

Check especially the load factors.

It can be either dreary, assuming the redaction is vaguely realistic, or simply ridiculous if what everyone else’s is saying is mildly accurate.

Non Qatari MPL here- No contact in any form for anyone. Sometime in February they fired rest of the 320 FOs who came out of the cadet programme going back as far as joining year-2017. The recent Qatari MPL programme advertised was just a huge kick in the gut and have no idea what to make of it. All the loans/mortgage for most of us has to be somehow repaid to banks and with no clear idea of what future looks like for anyone. Will never understand how did HR never think about the massive bonds tied with every single cadet which just got waived off upon separation.

When you say seniority wise recalling- is it in descending order? Most experienced first?

Sorry to say, there is different rules between Qatari and non Qatari.

Most people got kicked unfair, still idiots with warning letters flying around now..

I know two a350 captains who just left Qatar for being the first officer in the United States. They learned the lesson that Qatar's contract is just a piece of paper and they treat you as to how they treat constructors who are building the stadium. when they need you they give you all the money and respect. The Qatar mentality is they can buy anyone with money.I hope first-world countries should stop letting Qatar Airways keep flying to their countries.

immapostthis

Thank you for the detailed information.

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Discipline?
I have no words that wouldn't get me banned for ranting.

lol, Indian education? He did exactly what Indian Airlines did to Expat airlines. He just needs more Qatari pilots to kick out more expat pilots.

Reemploying based solely on experience wouldn’t make much sense, as the pilot group would be older and they would be facing a massive retirement bulge. Cherry picking from those in the sweet spot around 40 years old would give them a good experience level and a decent remaining number of working years.

Come on Krismiller nothing make sense in QR, they do the total opposite of the human been logic so lets do it this way; i agree with you the sweet spot will be 40 yrs old but lets think as QR management.

They will rehire 60 yrs old + exA350 to the 787 fleet,

ex777 Cp to the A350 fleet,

SO that started there training on 320 straight to 787

FO ready for command upgrade on 320 will go to the 777......

This looks more like QR logic to me. And the 40 yrs old guys will be the last ones.


If the world send a rocket to the moon throught the sky, Qr will try to find a way to go to the moon in a submarine through the ocean, the funny thing is they think that the rest of the world admires them for been so genius.

maybe the sweet spot will be 40 yrs old but do you think someone who is 40 and returning back to Doha, will he stay there for a long time? He will know that sometime in the future when he is over 55 years old, he might kick out of Qatar airways, hence he needs to make sure by 55 years old he has enough money to retire or fine an airline that respects the seniority list. This is the fact.

ticker1

hahahahaha sounds pretty qatari to me :} lolll

QR 777 FO here, currently flying.
Heard nothing for quite a few weeks now.

Re-hiring process is shady as ****. When they have 330 guys fired, still sitting in Doha with RP, they are calling people from outside. The people coming back will need to go through the process of immigration and quarantine but still they don't call back the guys already in Doha. QR logic as it's best.

Rumor is we're at lest 200 pilots short. Commercial is coming to fleet with new contract and fleet doesn't have the man power, so we can't accept the contract. (Rumor) Latest one were virgin Atlantic and Amazon out of china.

350 is getting worse. But 777 is much worse than 350. 777 roster was published 3 days after the 350, which was way after the OMA/QCAA deadline. Roster changes started coming in with the roster. Today is 7th i had already more than 10 roster chnages.

787 guys transfered to 777 around 80 of them. Some are already flying. They also transfered some 350 to 777 but training will take more time.

Speaking with my colleagues in the cabin, numbers and situation is worse than what was reported in the news. An other problem, countries started to ban crew who's been in India to enter. This may create more issues for QR and India.

Negative loop is already there. When they just got 80 787 transfered, they have 60 777 people on notice period.

777 is already overworked to an unbelievable extend. Leaves of May and June cancelled for 30%.
Most people on 777 didn't get any leaves since last February. We had 1 or 2 forced leaves last year, after 3 days (minimum rest) they were calling us back to fly.
Remaining leave balance from 2020-21 has been payed (even if that's totally illegal in regard of HR policy and Qatar labour law).
If it wasn't for factoring many FO will be way above the maximum EASA flight limit. Should say limitS as in monthly, yearly both calendar and last 30/365 days.
Moral is low on 777, anger is very high.
Some people didn't see their family for more than a year now.
Wellness department (psychologists) are receiving more and more pilots. They tried to warn fleet. Fleet disregard those warning.
Only way now to get your leaves is to go see those shrinks and tell them that you cannot fly anymore. This may jeopardize your license but is the only wat right now.

HR is the biggest **** up in QR history, they should all burn in hell. Rumor is AB is very angry at them, curious to see what's gonna happen.
An other (confirmed) rumor which may also have implications, ministry of finance Ali Shareef al-Emadi (who's also QR chairman) is under arrest for suspected misuse of public funds and abuse of power. May have impact on QR ?

Compared with the target of this thread, it is.

Been in both, saw that... As I mentioned before, comparing the goat in most of its aspects with EK is like comparing EK to a decent Western company...

No, they're not. You can suppose from what people say, but you can't assume for what you haven't done or been.

Any Ramadan bonus ?

Wrong thread

nervous novice

Try reading what I actually posted! I was talking about the trainers themselves. Not the department.

Maybe we should leave the QR thread to the QR people; my apologies to them for the creep south:ok:

Any rumors/ news for recalls on the A350 fleet ?

I heard they are calling 320 guys back,don’t know for which fleet though.

as far as I heard, only the ones still in the cesspit with a valid RPs...

And of course, called for the PSA for now since the company is not sure if they're fit to work there...

hahaha what a joke of a company, Qatarization at its best