I had to recheck the thread title just to be sure this was not EK....
Exactly EVERYTHING that has been described above, has taken place at EK....one would start to think they’re running the 2
airlines together....
Needless to say... spineless arabs with wasta at the top and some brown nosing expats in the office doing te dirty work...
well done...well done...
For those who got unlucky... there is light at the end of the tunnel...
And I’d rather become an uber driver than slaving again for these .....(word left out as to not get banned).
Semper Memento.

It is not all one sided. Spare a thought for the poor managers who won’t actually be able to fire anybody on Christmas day because it falls on a Friday this year!

These Managers along with Business Support “Ladies” would be drinking to their sorrows of covering up each other’s ****

5star

Pretty sure that should they call you back tomorrow, the day afyer you'll be in doha🤣

The reason why it looks so much like EK is because QR wants to be EK they dream to be EK but they will never be they will always live under the shadow of EK, just a clear example look at our management in Flight ops they used to be EK so all the trash that EK throw in the garbage bin QR goes and Immediately picks them up because they want to know whats happening at EK they want to be EK so badly.

Agree, they will never be EK and they will never manage to make Doha look like Dubai..

That's exactly the point, how can you explain this to incompetent managers ? You just can't.

Xulu

You couldn't say it better, This is exactly what happened and the future doesn't look brite for them. Low experience, bad english and poor performance have been the cause of many ATC reports in UK and USA, what a shame and to make it worst, they terminated the experienced guys in bulk.

Maybe because QR is one the most badly run organizations on the planet?

Maybe because the offices in T1 T2 and T3 (and the upper floor of QROC too) are almost entirely occupied by incompetent and spineless individuals?

Maybe because after 10 months into the pandemic there's no plan, no direction and no leadership whatsoever shown by the pastry chef?

Probably because they’re cheaper.
Plain and simple .....

Also could be training costs being factored in and recent joiners haven't worked enough yet to justify letting them go?

Birdy1062

Compromise Safety and Experience with saving $$$$$, it’s plain and simple!

Company Loss of license insurance is gone too.

What a joke

Recently I've been hearing rumors about they'll call back by the beginning of next fall. Anyone heard that too?

While I expect most to begrudgingly return for licenses/recency, I can imagine many families staying at home this time.

Who wants to go through all this hassle twice again (there and back)?

With the family away, and commuting barely feasible - the horizon shrinks.

The company have burnt bridges. If they had chosen to look after their employees through covid, they would have earned so much respect, loyalty and good will.

Instead, when the industry picks up, churn rate will be huge as people enact their revenge; taking their turn to gleefully stick two fingers up at them.

People are hurt. People want closure on their terms, not the companies.

The ME just wont ever feel like home again.

I totally agree with you
It is the final nail in the coffin
Bridges have burnt
its matter of time before people start leaving
This is not how Airlines look after their employees, but honestly it is not surprising either.
I predict lots of safety issues now
Lots of ASR be raised
Middle East is not the home anymore!

Apparently the idea of "we are a big airline we can always find someone to work for us in our terms" is not gonna work anymore for them..
Obviously they will find people to work for them but only the low qualified desperate ones instead the best..
As a matter of fact may God forbid the safety of operations..

Just let me tell all of you something: If QR ever call me back most probably I will rejoin. I would like to resume my career and I bet that QR future T&C will be better than the average. Humbly I don´t think I am underqualified or desperate. (21K flight hours, wide body experience, 32 years in the business, no mortgage, some savings, no ex-wifes and grown up children)
The experience was painful for me, now unemployed, but QR is not an NGO. Exit process was not easy, HR Separation was clearly overwhelmed. Everybody left with the owe money. - my previous employer sent home all expats in April with zero compensation no matter the seniority (up to 20 years)-
I joined in 2019, company invested big money in my training and months later I had to leave the company. I was a very cheap Captain and I was fired because somehow the company respect the seniority -as it should be- all guys with less than a year were sent home.
It is crystal clear for me that nowadays we are pilots flying for XXXX airline NOT XXXX pilots anymore. We better change our minds.
Those that disagree, please skip to criticize my English. It is quite normal to be a competent pilot without a level 6 while you can find native English speakers that do not perform that well.

Better T&C's ? Dream on mate !

I meant better THAN average not better than before. But it is only my bet.

alatriste

All correct bar the "seniority being respected" thing.

alatriste

Seniority was never respected, it was a perfect opportunity for the managers to take out their grudge on Pilots they didn’t liked, & Kept the ones they wanted.. Plain & Simple!

Dear Alatriste, seniority was not respected. Are you aware that fos who joined on the 787 a year ago are still flying? with minimum experience and qualifications especially compared to your experience. Please make good research before posting here. I don't think they care at all. Middle East will not be home again for all of us because nobody will feel safe here. I still have my job but trying to leave asap because I might be included in one of the new rounds with redundancies as I am sure they will do more starting next year. Better go somewhere that is safe in terms of job security rather than make a bit more money and live every day at risk. QR was not a safe employer even before the covid19. I wish all people realize that in the future. It is a shame for an airline that belongs to the richest country to treat their employees like that. I was talking with a friend recently on the other side of the ocean. Even cheap regional airlines at the US have not made any redundancies so far. It is a shame for QR and for the people who committed to come here and serve them. There were many solutions but they didn't care at all. Just press the button with your number and you are out. zero respect to your age and experience

Dear colleagues,
I only wanted to emphasize that generally speaking they didn´t keep the new captains, even though we were the cheapest ones, as some previous post affirmed.
My sympathy for those not fairly treated.
All the best in these turbulent times.

Air traffic controllers were treated the same as crews in Qatar. Many of them were made redundant independent of seniority, it was randomly done. No explanation at all. Very sad times.

Another wave 😔
Pilots getting the call this morning...

Totally predictable! This is never ending, letting go of staff in installments..
Brace for impact!
Bags are packed.

They should at least put pilots on a retainer salary and let them return to their home country for a time when things pick up which will surely come. Seems a waste to just make guys redundant and all the bitterness that entails.

This would have had been a logical solution but Logic is missing in every decision that has been taken since March 2020.

How many have been made redundant?

Not too sure how many.... but a fair few that I know of. Mainly 787, but i believe some 777 too.

Some A350 guys aswell.

FlyingAce77

Logic requires Brain something thats is missing in QR.

Ticker1

I feel sorry for the 350 guys......you know apart from one particular one!!!!!! :)

Bridges have been burnt etc etc!!!

IF someone was offering me my old job back, I wouldn't care! I would be gone and take it tomorrow.

I would think that plenty of others would too!

FlyingAce77

The word “logic” is non-existent in the ME dictionaires

That particular one has to go!

Incident is bound to happen, this is writing on the wall, These dumb fools are playing with fire, experience is what is important in the end.

Friend of mine, relatively new 787 FO given the bad news this morning. At least he got to miss Xmas and New Year’s Eve!

Watching the airframes aloft, when I got the push it was zero and today it averages about 17 airborne. Give it 6 months of vaccine and together with the World Cup it doesn’t make sense.

Really sorry to hear about your Friend & All the other colleagues, it doesn’t make sense at all, vaccination has started already, I really don’t understand what are these managers and management doing in Tower 1 2 3.
They had no plan whatsoever from the start of border closures uptil now.