My humble opinion is that the vaccine will not bring things back to normal very fast and for the World Cup we don't even know if it is going to take place the same way it would without the pandemic.

They did not even respect new year's Eve. At least they could have waited for early January to start their new termination rounds and let people enjoy the following days but there are no feelings or basic civilization in this company.
Do they want to bring down the numbers to EK numbers? Does this mean a total of 2200 approximately? Is that true? Does anyone know? A friend of mine who got redundant in November told me he heard at the old technical building from other pilots that they wanted to lay off another 700 deck crews

I found out that the BBC wants some info on what is going on in QR, regarding cutbacks and concerns, they need pilots/crew to share some experiences. Does anyone know anything about it?

Maybe something is moving ......

There will be many who would want to share their experience ...

they just need to check PPRUNE :)

The reason that many are scared to share will be vanished soon from the Earth =)

And to cap it all from my previous post, I spoke to an Airbus rated friend tonight who’s been flying max duty hours.

Accident or incident is coming to a close call now.
I know of one skipper who warned the flight safety dept about some flight safety issue, the lack of flight safety consideration from the operational side.... Instead of looking into the problem, they (Fleet) found a way to make him redundant...
Is the Baker aware of this?
If the BBC channel want some, they should look into the flight safety side.
How many times I had to raise my voice about safety concerns... And it is getting worse now!
By the way, no more Loss of licence means no more long term sick leaves!

One thing is certain that Airline has gone out of control of the Chief, he knows everything and does nothing, This is very dangerous in short and long term.

I do not think that the chief cares much anymore. Perhaps you will see him soon or late throwing in the towel. If there was a different chief things would have been much better now. He treats though the redundant people with compassion as he mentioned while having some dirty clerks at tower 3 picking their noses in the offices while serving the ex crews. He is very compassionate. In my opinion with that thin voice and the strange nose, all he wants is to be a ruler and not a chief. A proper chief cares about people and does not want them to be scared and when the time for redundancy comes it's the right moment to prove that you are a competent and a proper chief and handle the situation with fairness, respect people's seniority and experience or find much more efficient solutions.. Perhaps take an example from some low-cost airlines who have not made redundant anyone so far... especially when you have unlimited funds. what a shame.. Can you imagine a westerner being at his position? We would have never had so many scared pilots neither even curfews for poor cc's. Everything would have been much better. At this moment the airline is at the "point of no return" ... and I agree with Bigaircolibri. Have heard a similar story

Another Unstable approach, captain had to intervene and Captain had to write a report, now the captain is more worried about reporting then the First officer only because He is connected” & He is 400hrs on the Type!
disaster is very close to happen
and very soon, What are they doing? I’m not letting my family travel through QR, They can fly Turkish or Air Canada even if this means transiting through Istanbul or Toronto but No to QR...

Roughly 10 years ago Qatar Airways was the worst airline in the middle east, worst conditions, worst pilots (mainly pilots rejected from Ek, Ey and other serious Airlines because of their higher standards for recruitment), basically was the last choice for real professional pilots, then, thanks to the improved T&C more pilots with higher standards joined (unlike the cheap ones that they prefer, some even with shady captain upgrades ) and it seemed that qr was going in the right direction until summer 2020, where they made redundant most of the quality guys they had, a huge mistake that brings the company back to level zero where it belongs. I don't know if this bad choice was made by AB or by those "below average" pilots that seat in the management offices, in any case it was a huge and unnecessary error that will have serious consequences. Be prepared to enjoy that amazing level 6 english in the skies that only qatar can offer and wait for the tons of reports from the FAA when they'll try to send their 'Chuck Yeager' pilots to US during winter.
When I think about the inexperienced and pathetic guys sitting in the Airbus and Boeing fleet offices, I get goose bumps, who on earth would select such pilots for a delicate position like that ? AB are you alive ? Wake up, you're going in the wrong direction.
Emirates in the mean time is recalling some pilots back, that's a good sign.

This is practically happening all over QR, In every department, It’s a Mafia that has sick people in HR who protect them, They are playing with Lives of Employees and Passengers, Mark my words, If 1 Serious incident happens and Breaking News starts to come on international media, QR goes down the drain, it will be very hard for them to gain the momentum, AB is busy doing what he does the best, Rule” and QR focus is on Marketing, If only Passengers would know, there is risk involved with QR flying, a risk that can cost lives.

What is with the Housing Email today?
should we expect Education allowance to be next?
well we can expect anything from QR now..

What happened with the housing allowance?

airbus350captain1

You should know that captain...

xwind16, why are you so sure that people who write here have not worked or still work for this flying circus? how can you bet your salary? 75 %. PM if you want so I can prove to you who works here but be prepared to lose your bet and give me the 75% you just offered. Please if you do not like the honest truth that you read above go and post somewhere else. What is discussed above is just the reality

HR is all involved in this madness of unfair layoffs, I can name 1 manager who is in HR and is involved in all the dirty work for the Department, Actually it’s 2 P & J. I have no hope from HR, yes there are and will be honest and fair people but so far in my 11yrs in the Pit there is none I could point to and say were fair.

Glider7,

Do yourself a favour and just shut up. Some people who were indeed locked out of Qatar have returned to work, so :mad: what?. Many, however, have been terminated: I am one of those. So before you spout off with half truths, check your facts and be more considerate to your colleagues.

xwind16 is a troll, he's not a pilot, he works for the company and he's desperately trying to defend this bunch of incompetent people, facts are that:
Qatar is managed by people that are sitting on a chair because of wasta system, they are not real professional.
QR HR is something similar to North Korea, they spy on employees, they managed to fire people because they were part of a whatsapp group but spared some on that list because they provide insider info like spies thus were promoted to another fleet.
Not everyone but most of the pilots are below standard, they come from defunct blacklisted companies, the rest are the ones rejected from emirates and so on.
Qatar airways was going in the right direction until may 2020, now is going in the wrong direction, most probably it'll become again the last choice for pilots, once the situation improves pilots will again chose better places.
I've witnessed myself the average level of the pilots and the only reason incidents or accidents don't happen is because of the technology of the airplanes, nothing else.
It's a shame because they have great airplanes and a great geographic location, all thrown away because of their attitude and wrong choices.
I've seen top pilots, instructors and examiners fired for no reason, I find it self destructing, what to do ? Choices and wrong choices have consequences

Cant agree more with your assessment, QR is headed in the wrong direction, Technical department is short on mechanics & QAS doesn’t have enough Ground Staff to serve the Few Pax that are transiting through HIA.. The mafia sitting in Tower 1,2,3 & QROC including Business support and Technical are to be blamed for all what has happened to the Airline Post March 2020, The brand has just crashed,They Can Market QR as much as they want but reality is “Safety” has been compromised by below average Pilots & Managers & VPs sitting on top and pushing the buttons, they will pay for what they have done!

Aviateur86

Couldn’t agree more..

The mafia ( not Italian, look east) well and truly still functioning!

xwind16

Won't be missed. mysalami!

I think it would be useful for any of us that have experienced QR to consider the staff number as more of a serial number. Everyone is simply a device used to keep the machinery in motion. Remove your emotional element, ie: loyalty, etc, and maybe things will make more sense to you. Some tyres on the aircraft get retreaded and some don't. Some brakes get overhauled, some do not. You get the idea, everyone is just a unit part in the machine.

I Just Wanted to Say three simple words to all Qr Crew who are still working and those made redundant.



HAPPY NEW YEAR!!



PS Qr finds it hard to send this simple message to there employees

Don’t be surprised if there’s a serious incident before 2022 - perverse standards (if any) in training and no oversight from the authorities!

Why 2022? Unfortunately bean counters and fleet deal only with stats . Let's wait and see if it happens according to your pilot prediction.

Id say 2021, It’s imminent unfortunately!

Silver68 & xwind16,

Sorry to see you go gentlemen. It may be of little comfort but at least you won’t have to share the FD with this bunch.

Wishing you a prosperous 2021. Blue skies and tailwinds skippers. Hope they call you back when things pick up.

A Crew mentioned that Customers are complaining and angry onboard.. A Awful Experience! Flights that are being cancelled or Misconnection pax are stuck at the airport for 8-15hrs as airport hotel is full and borders are closed.. Ground staff is nonexistent because majority have been laid off as well..
A airline that markets itself as flying all through out the pandemic is now even losing its “Precious Customers”..

heard from my friend in doha, he got called last thursday and given termination letter. he was on 777.
its really sad whats happening in the aviation circle in 2021. he says more termination is coming on 350/777 as the pax load is so low and qr is also losing money big time.
whats is more sad is that, only early december he was told that his employment will not be affected but 3 weeks down the line its a diff story.

I am sooo sorry for your friend and all that are going through this, Every day I’m mentally prepared to leave when my turn comes, what’s more depressing is that there is no clear communication by The Managers of Incompetent HR...
Ofcourse QR is losing money only because Chief is stubborn and keeps on opening new Routes EG SFO & Soon Seattle with Pax numbers no more that 100 at an average, A350 or B777 both will fly under load meaning Per seat profit is Nil, this all is happening only because they want to Market as the leading airline in Pandemic..

I am also sorry about your friend. That is a good lesson for all of us. Never believe or count on what those unreliable crooks say. It is quite fun to see empty airplanes flying overseas just because of "ego" while losing tons of money instead of treating the correct way people with families who proved through the times that they were their working horses here. But they don't care and never will

Still not over
 

Redundancies are ongoing. Some 320 FOs got the calls just yesterday. There is no end in sight.

They might continue on all fleets until they drop the numbers same as EK did

What about 330 fleet? Any news?

As far as I heard they keep firing people nowadays..

Is there a 330 fleet still?

I guess not. All the trip reports are out except for the 330’s

A load of 330 guys were dumped before Xmas. There was only 4 330 freighters left after the pax was grounded.

The 4 freighters are supposed to be leaving the fleet in February regardless as they have a new home.