Captain Dieter Harms
 

The only way to differentiate a learned man from others is by manner of his professionalism. Please note that ‘learned’ used in this context is referring to wisdom rather than the quantity of knowledge he possesses.





He flew a wide variety of aircraft and retired by late 2005 as a Captain on B 747- 400.

He was the Head of the Lufthansa Pilot School in Bremen and Phoenix, AZ from 1980 until 1990, thereafter the Head of Training of Lufthansa German Airlines and from 1997 until his retirement the CEO of the newly founded Lufthansa Flight Training Company.

Captain Harms was involved with the application of Competency Based Training and the development of the MPL right from the beginning and served as an advisor to the ICAO FCLT-Panel from 2000 to 2005 and to the CJAA during the transposition of the MPL from Annex 1 into JAR-FCL in 2006.

Besides running his consulting firm he works for IATA since 2007 as a Senior Advisor in the IATA Training and Qualification Initiative (ITQI) and supported CAAC on the implementation of MPL in China between 2008 and 2011.

Since 2009 Capt. Harms serves as a member on the EASA MPL Advisory Board.

Now that is a learned man...

BTW, it is Dieter, not Deiter.

Reference: Safety in Aviation Asia :: Safety in Aviation ASIA

This was in response to RP-C000's advice to search from scratch.

thanks for the typo correction...:ok:

IATA ITQI
 

Hi there guys...

Thanks Traveller93 for the info, sounds great that IATA/ICAO are looking after MPL...

BTW, The IATA Global MPL Tracker Report is dated on the 9th of May 2012...by that time, the 2nd batch were done/doing their Base Training & it seems that only 3 of them were done that time ;) let's wait for the updated version :ok:

Hi Risk...long time :)

Yes, professionalism
 

Not an issue RP-C000.

Hi Marlim, indeed it has been a long time... still watching this unfold & hopefully I will react to it positively.



Taras B,



I can, so can others see that you obviously feel bitter about what has happened to you and/or your friends.

…but professionalism is something else. So let me break it down for you:

My post about professionalism was directed to RP-C000, which I have mentioned in my post, and RP-C000 has PROFESSIONALLY responded by not fighting back, but rather picking something positive. He thanked me for correcting him, rather than bickering with me nonsensically.

Secondly, if you want someone to hear you out, then you need to CALM THE **** DOWN! Yes, you read it right. Please, for your own sake, calm down. Instead of jumping like an excited bunny at every chance you get, present your FACTS in a professional manner at the right forums. Do amass support here by putting forward your views, which BTW have been understood & even agreed to, but do NOT destroy your own image if you want respect at the said forums. Since you asked me to imagine, then I must assume that you too have an imagination….so now you imagine how everyone will look at you when they find out that you are Taras B? They (the people whom you will be complaining to), will instantly look at you in a different light…

So once again, be calm, collected, calculated & PROFESSIONAL, because you are representing a group of people who have been wronged, but they too are PROFESSIONALS… being a pilot is one very respectable responsibility. Therefore, respect it!

With you acting like this, what is the difference between you & the people who wronged you? They were not professionals & this way neither are you.

Thirdly, I have NOT asked for peace, I have asked for professionalism. I have repeated this work so many times, that even I am getting tired of reading it.

…and finally to you last two lines. EXACTLY!!!! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN!!! When you do something, do it professionally, so you get respect!

Difference between a normal thief & a professional thief: one is someone you would smack in the head, the other is someone you would stay away from even though their professions are the same. Simply because one is a professional, you respect him…. For God’s sake, you go watch Ocean 11 & say WOW!

Jesus, well there is another good example. DID HE EVER LOSE TEMPER & START BICKERING???? NO!! He managed to solve every problem via PEACE!



Right, anyway, all others who are reading this, please read everything ON BOTH SIDES before you decide. No one will help you, but YOU!

He managed to solve every problem via PEACE!

because he knows he doesn't have a valid argument, he/she is just trying to sell a faulty product, MPL by design was not intended/designed for self-sponsored ab-initio pilots, it was designed for those already employed by an airline as a cadet pilot to obtain a flight deck position and thereafter obtain a full license upon meeting the aeronautical requirements...

How many time do you have to tell people the MPL is a junk licence before they listen? IB is correct it's not designed for self sponsorship.

True!

Never disputed that FACT, never will.

My point is very simple, fight for what is right, but in the right manner. Not by mere explosive responses to each other. I am in no manner referring or have referred to the way MPL is run anywhere.

@ risk.....excellent post! :D

Malirm.

Your enthusiasm about the MPL should be contagious, as that licence is a tremendous progress in pilot training if done properly and in accordance with the very stringent rules set at its implementation.

Having said that, what is being discussed in these forums doesn't have anything to do with the MPL merits, and there are plenty, but rather with the way Clark Aviation missed an unique golden opportunity to lead the very lucrative pilot training market. And they did it by their own fault, without any sabotage from outside or competition. They were the second school to offer the MPL and the first on the A320 aircraft. THERE WERE NO OTHERS!!!! The market was there to the take!!

But they failed and the reasons for that failure have been scalped here ad eternum....

The tragedy is that, their failure caused immense suffering to just about all the young aspiring pilots that believed in their propaganda and sweet talk. They believed in the promises of the original Capt. CEO, his plans to ensure jobs in various countries in Asia and South Asia. They believed that, upon completing the ground school training there would be enough AAG aircraft to do the core flying. Nothing of this happened in the time frame set in the MPL ICAO program.

Visitors to the Clark Aviation Academy were given tours of the classrooms, accommodation and recreation facilities. Impressive and with a professional look which inspired confidence.... This was topped with a visit to "their" simulator. Yes, they were saying that the A320 FFS was theirs.

With all this, self sponsored cadets enrolled in numbers having been assured of employment upon completion of their MPL training after +/- 18 months (they were advertising 12 months). Don't forget that all this was happening in 2007 and 2008.

The rest is a known unfinished story. Unfinished because there are still qualified A320 MPL pilots formed at Clark Aviation that don't have an airline to work for. Others, although passing all the different stages of the course, decided to drop out because they could not see an end to it and no future.

How many Directors, Managers, FOTs, Instructors, etc. have gone through Clark Aviation since its inception in 2007? Did any of them resolve any problems or cared about the cadets that had paid hard cash for a dream?

It is true that most have found their way into some airlines, after an inordinate excessive time, but what about the ones that are forever in limbo?

Is anybody really working to bring this tragedy to an end? If Clark Aviation/AAG cannot find them an airline to do the needed 1500 hours line training to free the frozen ATPL, then the just way to resolve the remaining issues is to reimburse what they paid and some compensation for the unexpected expenses incurred over the years while waiting for a job. This compensation will never pay for all the losses! If you're not working there is no income but only expenses.

Enough of that.

Coming back to my post and the excel table, have a look at the data provided for the Sharjah and Clark set-ups.

Just as an example, are the 18 month figures for the duration of the MPL training accurate? Did a single MPLr complete his/her training in that time span?

These numbers were supplied to IATA/ICAO by someone. Lets see if they can justify them..... and there are others. For an appropriate time.

It is said that AAG has a new management and that they are doing a good job. Managers are supposed to find ways to resolve problems and there is no problem without a solution. What are they waiting for to resolve the remaining old issues?

Resolve them justly, turn the page, and then they can dedicate all their energy to make the business a success. It will be harder but its the price to pay for the past wrong doings.

Malirm. Everybody can see how happy and fulfilled you are doing your line training. Don't you think those who are being denied that pleasure also deserve to experiment that feeling?

Happy flying and, keep the blue side up!!!

MPL... the Alpha/Clark way
 

Firstly, thanks google for the appreciation.

Secondly, a VERY BIG THANK YOU Taras B, for the professional response. This is what I meant... if you and others have been wronged, then let us all in the community stand up to it and as grown-ups bring it to light.

I am sure that there still are major players out there who will be more than happy to hear of any failings on behalf of organizations carrying the MPL flag. This is a crucial stage for the MPL as it is gaining momentum & the last thing ICAO would want, is any mishap. traveller93, has put up a good post too, and I do believe that any GOOD organization should revisit their mistakes and correct them. Of course from ‘outside PPRuNe’ perspective, it is a different world & organizations can’t just SAY sorry like humans. There are huge repercussions that they need to consider. Therefore an amiable solution must be sought, which will come through forums like APATS.

I would also request other community members to side with what is RIGHT. A lot of people are fighting with or against the MPL…. But the point is not MPL, it is HOW the MPL is run. ALL of us have financial issues & it is not just easy to give about 150,000 USD (including extras J) and then end up with nothing.

…with regards to MPL and anyone/everyone out there who is against it, well all I can say is that it is something released by ICAO after MAJOR study and research… and it will stay. At the end of the day, airlines run the aviation business and if they start accepting, (which they are) then there is no turning back. Plus up until now, the feedback has been positive about MPL grads.

Anyhow, Taras B, traveller93, I do stand by your side (if you were good students with bad luck)… and to RP-C000, it is surely good to see progress for the future, but a little past-fixing would go a long way towards your goal.

Thanks Risk for your support and understanding. Imagine how one would feel to be inducted into the MPL with very low compass score and then being issued a letter that you have been successful in your pilot assessment test. The confidential score were only handed down to the cadet after a year when he had finished his ground school and was about to fly to Australia for his core flying. The cadet was entrenched just after 32 hours of flying as pedicted by his compass scores. Does he not deserve a full refund. No amount of money can compensate loss of his precious two years of his life for the mistakes made by Alpha. No cadet with score 12 out of 35 can fly. To suffer for the mistake made by Alpha is unethical.

Updates
 

Hi there...

Just to confirm that I read & understood what you said Traveller93 ;) & ofcourse it isn't about the MPL Merits...it is how the training is Conducted & implemented...etc.

About my last post, I just wanted to raise that point before anybody else raise it & we would look like "outdated" I didn't have OTHER intentions...

I know the feeling of not being there & flying, I experienced it for a while around here & there...I also met some of the cadets at Clark while doing the Core Flying with them...but now...I also know some of their story(s) aswell...this will just make me more into pushing AAG for a clarification & justice...as far as I could...but keeping what Risk has mentioned... "Professionalism" :ok:

BTW Traveller93, I have been released from line training 2 months ago...I'm an F/O :ok:

Alfa Aviation Academy
 

Hello Marlim, Congrats on F/O:ok:

I have been Planning to Join this Academy (Alfa Aviation academy)Alfaacademy.net,

Can you Say whether its Good Flying School?How about Living?

I had Conversation with Skies Consultancy about Professional Pilot Program which Includes CPL + Type rating and Line Training in A320..The Package was Around $136000 which i will Complete my CPL in Europe(Greece) in this Academy and then i will be Transferred to Dubai For type Ratings n line Training.I have a doubt is it good to join this Program?

njbhansali12 (Alfa Aviation academy)Alfaacademy.net, is different from ALPHA AVIATION GROUP (AAG)

AAG in UAE runs the MPL course for Air Arabia, pls see info below.

Multi-crew Pilot Licence (MPL) | Alpha Aviation Group

https://www.facebook.com/AlphaAvGrp

I've just been to the AAG website and had a look at their "Cadet Info Pack".
A very interesting "info pack" indeed.... with an appealing sales pitch and it begins with a true statement:

"The job of an airline pilot is probably one of the most prestigious, glamorous and exciting in the world.

It is a highly rated and adventurous career choice allowing you the opportunity to travel around the world to places most people only dream about. It is a challenging, dynamic and demanding job but undoubtedly very rewarding."

Followed by this

"Becoming an airline pilot is a dream many young people have."

and this

"For most it remains just that; but for you it could be a reality."

(Red colour requires maximum attention!!)

Yes, all these statements are true, but all those considering to spend their money at AAG, should think carefully about the strong chance that their dream might turn into a REAL nightmare. As explained in my last post.

If the past experience of many is not taken into consideration and the candidates still enroll into the AAG MPL, make sure that a one sided contract is not signed. Have written guarantees that the published course program is followed in the advertised time span, that there will be a secure line training with an established airline and, most importantly, a guarantee that, failing the previous items, AAG will provide a CPL/IR/TR.

This is what saved some current AAG MPL trained pilots from a life of misery.

Others are still suffering after spending tens of thousands (into the hundreds) of USD for the dream that turned into a nightmare.

Until those wrongs are made right......

A little more reading into the AAG website brings to light some things that many wish were true.

Why Choose AAG | Alpha Aviation Group

"Why Choose AAG

We have a highly successful track record placing cadets into airlines after their training is completed, either with our airline partners in our operating countries or further afield."


Values | Alpha Aviation Group

"Integrity

Focusing on honesty and fairness, we strive to earn the trust of our stakeholders, deliver on our promises to our clients and cadets, and maintain the highest professional and ethical standards"

Something is not right, but can be fixed.

It's just a matter of wanting to do it.

Nowadays, as international education and training scams become more and more commonplace, it is critical that you research exhaustively companies to whom you will trust your money and your future. If you have any doubt, don't sign on the dotted line. If you ask many opinions and become truly informed of all the risks and benefits of your final decision, then you are no longer blindly following a 'dream'... then you have chosen wisely.

A report by the Advertising Standards Authority.

The world is full of crooks.

ASA Adjudication on The Pilot Training College - Advertising Standards Authority


The Irish authorities are looking into this mess.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/489680-ptc.html

Another PPRuNe thread

http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...s-closure.html

That is interesting reading about PTC. What I did not realise or thought that training providers would go so low as to use their business as a ponzi scheme.
I thought with most it was complete mismanagement and incompetence, maybe there can be more sinister money making ideas, where in a country with very few authoritys that would chase this down. Run a perfect pilot training ponzi scheme, 100 thousand dollars per student and it continues for about 5 to 10 years and then disappears......

Fluffy

Need your advice
 

Hi guys,

I am glad to ask you one question as I found that most of you had an idea or studied with Alpha Aviation Academy. I am thinking to choose either ways: 1- Studying with Alpha Aviation Academy ( MPL programme) or 2- Studying with Emirates Aviation College ( Pilot Training Programme for ATPL, JAA in Dubai & Portugal and it costs 545,000 ADE). I have an assessment for both alpha and Emirates next week. Please help me to determine which one would be best for me. As I know about Alpha that I can get 1500 hours garuanteed, whereas just 230 hours in single and multi engine light aircraft with Emirates college.

I'm looking for your answers and suggestions friends ASAP.

Cheers,
Majed

It will be interesting if after your screening at Emirates & Alpha, you write back to us here... compare and contrast the two experiences and your overall impressions.

Sometimes its difficult to make a choice when you don't have all the critical facts. Pprune helps with this. You are doing a great job so far doing the research and asking the right questions.

Be sure to ask the real, total costs from beginning to end including the 1500 hours + the MPL, and ask for training dates, e.g., what month/year will you start your line training... and what if there are significant delays? Ask Emirates if they would hire you if you had an MPL + 750 to 1500 hours of line training... as a back-up plan if Air Arabia does not hire you. (Note carefully Emirates' reaction to this question.) Check also about the specifics of the 'guaranteed' 1500 hours... earlier in this thread, more specific details emerged about this:

Whatever you are told by anyone regarding a training arrangement, has to be in writing. Well-organized, reputable companies will have no issues in doing this for you.

Good luck!

Thank you (Taras B) for your advice.
I will for sure ask them these questions to see what they're gonna say.

cheers,

To anyone considering the MPL route, which I think is the most up-to-date pilot training method nowadays, I strongly recommend that the ICAO rules guidelines be followed.

1 - Get a sponsoring airline, even if you pay for the course, that will provide the base training, up to 12 take-offs and landings, and will guarantee, at least, the line training upon successful MPL training. 1500 hours needed to unfreeze the ATPL.

2 - Go to the MPL training school chosen by the sponsoring airline. They know which ones are reputable and provide the best professional training.

3 - If there is still a will to enroll into an MPL course run by any FTO that doesn't put in writing a guarantee that the cadet will finish with a sure job, or with a viable pilot's licence, then don't come to PPRuNe to complain.

Nobody can say that the dramas described over the years here are not true. And the dramas continue to unfold only because some people think they can get away with it.

They can't!!!!

If Alpha authorities have accepted their errors should they not be decent enough to compensate the cadets for the damage done or should they be allowed to pocket away the hard earned money of the cadets with a simple plan of recovery. Must say it is a smart move by Alpha. But we will not let Alpha get away.

AWOL
 

Stratocruiser has been absent from this thread since the 27th June.

Very unusual for someone who seems to be on the "inside" of AAG and always ready to post "positive" information about the present efforts to solve all the problems.

Come on, stratocruiser, give us a little sign that you are still with us.

Even if you are busy polishing the recovery plan.....

Stratocruiser has been absent from this thread since the 27th June.
 

I think I know whats become of the wayward Stratocruiser.

Firstly, about 4 months ago, following the crash of one of their aircraft, I asked Strato how do you fulfill your comittment to 30 cadets who you have taken their fees in good faith, and fit them into the remaining 4 aircraft and deliver a timely training product. Thats right, with all the fluff and grandiose talk of 'preferred airlines, worlds best, global organisation.'

Its a backyard mom and pop operation in any persons language. 4 aircraft, WTF!! The nearest estimate I can make is that a 12 month CPLIR at AAG will take between 2 years and 2 1/2 years.

Secondly, they claim to have purchased an A320 simulator. Just so happens that one of the AAG Directors is the Singapore agent for CAE so nice commission, but are installing it within 1 kilometre of the massive CAE/CUBE PACIFIC sim centre at Clark, Pampanga - with no substantive airline as an anchor partner!!!!

Thirdly, go visit the AAG website. Could be wrong but cannot find a single name of anyone. No board, no directors, no management, no sales, no nothing. Lift up the photos of the smiley happy people, look behind the lovely words, theres nobody at home. Its a shell company with 4 old Cessna aircraft total in all the world.

So where can stratocruiser be found? Someone sent him a calculator and he is busy dividing 4 into 30 but cant find the answer that lines up with the rhetoric.

Hey guys,

I have passed both assessments, yesterday with Emirates College and today with Alpha Academy in sharia. I'm still cannot determine which one to go with. The good thing about Alpha that it guarantees the 1500 hours with Air Arabia after successfully completing the MPL course and also it will be written in the contract ( I've seen the contract). On the other hand, Emirates College provides an excellent pilot training programme ( the theory part in Dubai for 8 months + the practical part in Portugal for another 8 months) for the JAA (CPL & ATPL frozen). However, the flying hours will be just 220 hours (single and multi engine). both programmes last for 18 months and adding to Alpha the 1500 hours in A320 which would take about 1,5 to 2 years.

I've got a tour in both colleges and both have good atmosphere,,,

I would strongly appreciate it if you give me your advice and comments.

Thanx

Majed

@ Majed85
 

Hi Majed85, PM me...if in UAE, we can call or meet up (Away from AAG & Emirates), you have to understand MPL & CPL CLEARLY :ok: AND the Financial Obligations/commitments with AAG/ABY or EK College...as I know people on both sides ;)

Majeed 85
Malirm aim of the meeting is only to lure you into the alpha academy. I too encourage you to join emirates. Just take some time to go through this thread as it speaks volumes of the plight of many cadets who trusted Alpha with their hard earned money. I can assure you there is no refund policy in place.

@ Aakhan
 

Aakhan...Then ask him to meet you man & share your experiences, this thread is becoming too personal to some people over here (from both sides) it is not anymore about recovery Plans or even refund, Majed85 & OTHERS would like to know more about what is the best path for them...I would like to hear directly from him what AAG said & who said it & about what EK College said & who said it...I am an X Emirates Aviation College Graduate & X Employee AND Obviously X-AAG graduate & a current ABY Employee...;)

If you ask WHY I do that (my last post)...well, because I was in his place once & there are somethings that I should have clarified before going to MPL (nothing to regret though), I want to make sure that he knows where he is heading, MPL or CPL is not anymore a wonderland/wild life experience...it has become more arranged & planned AND Predictable...but, you need to understand the differences, obligations & Privileges of each :ok:

So please, "LURING" is not my type, although you think that & you still belief that I lured you into AAG, trust me, you'll be lying to yourself before even lying to me about that "Luring" story of yours...as far as I know, you are a well educated person :) & I like that in you ;)

OK, back to Professionalism...At the end of the day, keep in mind that you don't want to be accused of "LURING" him or anybody into Emirates Aviation College my freind :ok:

Malirm
Must say your explaination is quite impressive. You have adopted a new role of a Godfather to prospective cadets. Well done.
Will you also be kind enough to explain the cadets the high ratio of entrenchments in Alpha because Alpha offers place to cadets inspite of low compass scores. Will you be right behind them if God forbid they are entrenched, helping them with their refund just as Stratocruiser 377 has mentioned. It is a huge resposibility if you play a role in a cadets enrollment be with him till the end just dont abandon after his enrollment.

@ Aakhan
 

Wilco :ok:

I won't abandon anybody who needs help, even you :)

Keep inmind that I am NOT recommending anything...I am clearly talking about the possible options & if clearly he knows what are the Differences, Commitments, Obligations & Privileges of each Path...keep inmind he might end up somewhere out of UAE ;)

well done marlim... give them the facts and let the student decide. :D

Multi-crew Pilot Licence (MPL) | Alpha Aviation Group

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

AAG Philippines the new A320 sim has arrived an being installed.. ready for training by Sept. The sim will be EASA approved along with CAAP. :D

To Majed85 and other prospective cadets
 

Majority of you who wish to become pilots must be doing so on your parents/guardians’ account, the remaining few, on their own. Either way, it is money and a hell of a lot of it too, which I am sure is earned through hard work and difficulties. Therefore, my two cents of advice is to EVALUATE ALL OPTIONS, before committing.

Please do not get me wrong, I am not siding with any school or establishment. I am merely stating that chose the one that has the best benefits for you. How do you do that, you will ask…

Firstly, think about where you intend to fly for a long time…
How much of a risk do you intend to take…
Do you like flexibility of choice or do you have the perseverance of achieving a single goal…
Do you like to have backup plans or are you a Kamikaze…

In simple terms…

(AA – Alpha Aviation)
(EA – Emirates Aviation)

AA – You will be in some way or other bonded to them till 1500 hours
EA – No bonding

AA – Till you reach 1500 hours, to a good extent you are at their mercy
EA – At about 220+ hours, you are free

AA – Like stated above, you are kind of bonded to them till you complete 1500 hours, which if things go pear shaped could be a long time
EA – After 220+ hours, you are free to work anywhere in the world (with conversion of course)

AA – You have no backup, and might end up like TarasB etc etc..
EK – You can convert to any country where you find a job

AA – You will get into a modern airliner with the fastest route
EA – It might take you time before you find a job

AA – If things go well, like it has for many, you can be a type rated ATPL holder without LOOKING for a job, like Marlim (soon) etc etc…
EA – If things don’t go well, you will end up looking for jobs for a very long time to come

So basically it is really up to you… you even have options like studying in the US/Canada/Australia etc etc, which might work out cheaper and where you could POSSIBLY then apply for immigration and get citizenship, which by the way helps a lot in LIFE (unfortunately it is the truth about the so called racism free world).

There is good and bad to everything and it is your luck first, then your luck and then your luck (repeat a 1000 times), then your hard work and finally perseverance.

Choose wisely, because once you do it is very difficult to go back, unless of course your parents are super rich.

All in all, if I were to advice you what to do, I would say whatever you do, ignore EVERY verbal promise and get EVERYTHING you can in writing on a contract with EVERY page signed by both parties. You will be surprised to know how situations change, businesses ADJUST, promises BREAK etc etc etc. Therefore, get it in a signed contract so you have something to take to court/authorities/etc if things didn’t go well. BY THE WAY THAT DOES NOT IMPLY THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORK HARD TO ACHIEVE WHAT YOU WANT!

Oh and one more thing, the contract you see from either party, MUST BE VERIFIED FOR LEGALITY AND LEGAL TERMS BY A LAW FIRM. You will be surprised to know that MAJOR ORGANISATIONS also have changed terms of their contract AFTER signing them and they get out of indemnity because they had cleverly worded their contracts, which the normal John/Jane like you and me do not understand. If you are not comfortable with some wordings, ask a law firm to contact them to have it amended. If you can pay 600k+ then pay 5k-10k additional for the service of a law firm.

I hope this helps not only you but also any prospective cadet.

Once again, I state that I am NOT siding with or against any organization out there. I am merely telling you how to go about things, in life that too.

risk.. nicely done..

look at the number of A320's & A320NEO on order world wide..... an ATPL from GCAA and 1500hrs on A320 will be a real winning position.

who will an airline choose a guy with 1500hrs on A320 flown with a successful low cost airline or a guy with 200 hrs from EK flt school.

Hi guys!

I was looking to the MPL scheme at Alpha aviation academy in partnership with Air Arabia. I have few questions for you, How good is training with AAA? Is it sure that after successfull completion of training you will reach 1,500 hours on A320? How much will Air Arabia start paying you?

Thanks guys!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150896510741106


Air Arabia named world’s 2nd best performing airline - Khaleej Times

for info on salary and gurantee of 1500hrs on A320 with ABY, pls contact Carsten Borgen <[email protected]> thks :ok:

Just because Air Arabia is the 2nd best performing airline does not meant that Alpha Aviation is any good.
Strato you are the one who is full of lies here.

AAG does not want to spend money. While I was studying at ground school EVERY instructor complained the same thing. They all felt that AAG never spent money on their students and when they had to they would find the cheapest option.

Now please do not call ME a liar. I am a current student of AAG so i have the correct info.

Anyone reading this AAG is not the place to go. I made that mistake. U should not!

wonder if you will say the same in a few weeks when you are successful FO with ABY flying your 1500 on A320...

if you have had a bad experience then pls write to the management.