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So it is interesting to note that Alpha is not getting enough cadets so they need sale managers like RP C000 who think of innovative ways to lure cadets into the academy. You call this making an honest living
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so sad and petty that you have to come down to personal attacks.. :=:=:=:=:= In case that you didn't really understand my last post, it was just based on the approach that you, as a representative of your company, have chosen to use to sell the cracked ideas to people in here! I don't really know whether if it was your own initiative to handle the objections and criticism against MPL and AAG in that way or was it your company that came to convince you that this was the right way to do it! Well..It's not working anyway I'm afraid! I'm pretty sure some people here or there may get lured by MPL, but I just feel sorry for them that they came to believe it too that this is the way to gain a distinctive advantage for themselves over CPL/IR guys right here right now! The majority of people here do know that CPL/IR is the safest way to make things happen. Why would somebody take the risk with the MPL at AAG unless he/she doesn't really care about wasting the cash on your company or if he/she was just a pure risk taker?! In both cases, these are certainly not the type of rational and mature people that an airline would be happy to hire!:suspect: |
Taras B
and being German. WOW ! you have such low value for own people and fellow Asians.. Are you really a Filipino as you claim to use Tagalog all the time.:ugh::ugh: |
Well my friend does intend to go to Singapore but not to stand near your stand and share a beer with the management of Alpha. There will be a purpose of the visit to APAC in August and that is to expose you all to the entire aviation community. He will bring to the attention of everyone concerned and rest of the aviation community that Alpha inducts cadets into their MPL programme with compass scores as low as 12 out of 35 and then issues a letter that they have successfully passed the pilot assessment test. Later they are entrenches and Alpha keeps their money. The reason being as per contract no refund. Well isnt it a smart thing to do. Thus Alpha will need a lot of explaining to do. Well guys take a note according to EPST you need 24 out of 35. Thus if you are facing difficulty in your core flying, sim flying or in your line training beware that you too have been inducted into the MPL programme with low compass scores and just do not blame yourself for your plight but blame Alpha. The more time you will take to settle the issues the worse it is going to get for you all.
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Updates
Hi Guys,
The day after my post, I visited Alpha...I was happy to meet some of the PPRuNers & wished them all the best in their training...so, I went into almost all Depts & checked & got alots of new stuff, here's some of what I got: 1. Selection Process: It is & from now on, going to change...ABY will be involved from day ONE, it is now done in 3 days, with much more focus on the Scores/Grades, CGI/HOT/ABY HR & Flight Crew will be involved. Selection process include now Group exercises, more personality & motivational aspects, more professional Interviews (Panel)...etc. I heard that a third Party (another Company) will conduct a part of the selection process. The Selection process will be done twice a month...instead of a walk-in basis or one/one or whenever you are free kinda thing...I heard that the chances would become 10 to 15 out of an average of 35 applicants...:sad: Hope that this will save some people's Pocket(s) 2. Shifting to a New Premises/Building: As the flight line is not anymore that important (shifted to Australia), thus being at the airport is not that effective, I heard/confirmed that Alpha will be Shifting somewhere better (New building or so), with a much more better organised Facilities & distribution...maybe by the end of the year or next summer ! 3. New FNPT/Sim They are planning to buy a new Sim, maybe MFTD or Level D or FNPT II, but a new sim will be there...checking the costs I guess !!! 4. Sim booking & Session planning I have confirmed that AAG have booked the MFTD/A320 Level D sim sessions until Mid 2013, with both ABY & CAE Dubai...to make sure there is no bottle-necking anymore. 5. New Hires There are more instructors getting hired for the Ground/FNPT II/A320 Training to boost the training (no delays because of Man-power). ----------------------------------------------------------- I still have more news to Confirm, but I have to go for the Nairobi flight guys :ok: But here is what I know, Thanks to You PPRuNers, you have made Alpha (Sharjah) Change somehow...but still, more to be done...please let me know if I am trying to lie here :) Oh BTW, Aakhan, how's line training? See you around soon :ok: |
1. Selection Process:
It is & from now on, going to change....... So Malirm you really seem to have short memory as you even heaped praises on the present selection process in your earlier posts many times. Could you explain why this sudden change in the selection process and the reason is because Alpha has been exposed. What about the cadets who will be entrenched for the next two years because of you faulty selection process. Who will take resposibility of those cadets. Really what would you do had you been in their shoes. Let me put it this way that may be an insensitive person. Really it is so easy for Alpha to wash their hands off so easily by saying we are changing our slection process. Who will be decent to take resposibility of the mistakes made. What were they doing up till now sleeping? How many cadets must have been affected and entrenched because of the faulty selection process. Malirm i am shocked that you cannot think beyond yourself thus you have no hesitation in writing these long posts. Look beyond yourself . Think of the time and money some entrenched cadets have lost. Do not be so arrogant since you do not know what the future holds for you. Show some consideration for cadets who worked hard for their ground school and may have infact got better results than you but had no aptitude to fly but were inducted into the programme to fill up the empty seats in Alpha. You know Malirm in my eyes you are a self obsessed person who can write any post on behalf of Alpha for his personal gains. Nobody takes your posts seriously. |
Thanks
Thanks Aakhan, but First of all, CONGRATS on getting your MPL & having signed your Line Training Contract (welcome to the Club) & starting your line training AND Second of all...I didn't expect that from you, I was just sending my greetings ! NOTHING at all Personal !!!
Speaking about the Praises to the current selection process...what do you know about it...it has changed 3 times when I was still at the Academy and this is the 4th time...all the 4 processes are LEGAL & are done by certified programs..etc. it's up to the Company to accept you with the low grades or not (if GCAA wasn't caring about it !!! )...I didn't say that it was PERFECT or Very Hard or Very easy...etc. I personally have tried Pilapt (with its different versions), Compass & IPAT, AAG were using Pilapt, then Shifted to Compass...etc. all are well known & effective :oh: So, I understand that you are blaming me of attracting cadets into the academy by talking about the nice stuff (paradise) i.e. Lying (although I was just sharing my experiences...the BAD & the GOOD...check my posts again), man, you just mentioned "Nobody takes your posts seriously." anyways, maybe at that time it wasn't the case, but, WHAT ABOUT you as a receiver, didn't you check about what am I talking about???...but as a matter of fact...I haven't prepared your training contracts...I haven't conducted your Tests, I haven't created your ground school tests...etc. I was busy with the same stuff that you came in for (MPL training). BTW, What are my Personal Gains...please say it...since we are neighbors...we can talk about it face-to-face...or here, if it was money, I guess you know about me, if it was about showing-off...well, I have better places to show-off ;) The thing that I won't do is SPITTING IN A PLATE THAT I ONCE ATE FROM, my religion teaches me that...always keep the positive thoughts about everything, but work for the worst...did I lie/falsify stuff, well, go back through my posts & let me know where I did...you might find some ;) Speaking about "looking beyond myself/insensitive/Self Obsessed"...etc. stuff...as if I wasn't stuck there for the last 3 years (Before you pay your second installment maybe even the First...NO OFFENSE)...anyways man, I can't believe that it is you who would say that...I guess that it is better to spend this time on your line training prep, you have a Long List to discuss (as we all did)... I wish you all the best, from my heart in your career, thanks for the call today :ok: I hope we stay in-touch man... :) no matter what you say to me/about me, I will be there for you...I hope you do the same for me, as I know...one day(s) in the future I will be needing your aid & help :) TC Taras B, I Respect You :ok: |
Aakhan, its amazing you will soon be a successful pilot after the training you have received at Alpha and you continue to bitch and moan and insult people who are talking facts about AAG.
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Aakhan, its amazing you will soon be a successful pilot after the training you have received at Alpha and you continue to bitch and moan and insult people who are talking facts about AAG. If Alpha was NOT in the wrong then you would not have said that and infact had proof to indicate that we were wrong. Yet, you always ignore my questions directed to u and post the same thing over and over again. The only reason you are saying good things about alpha is because you get PAID for it. This comes from the fees WE paid. So WE are allowed to ''bitch and moan'' as you have so nicely put it. We are not bitching and moaning. We are stating facts and you are just posting lies. Ah i smell victory! :D |
Well Malirm you conceal the facts and write posts to do damage control of Alphas battered reputation. When Alpha was shut down by GCAA in Nov and Dec 2010 why did you not mention in your updates of Alpha. This is called concealing facts. In a very subtle way you lure cadets into the academy and you call yourself a pious person.
The thing that I won't do is SPITTING IN A PLATE THAT I ONCE ATE FROM, my religion teaches me that...always keep the positive thoughts about perfect in Alpha. Your warm wishes are not welcomed by me. |
@ Aakhan
Loool, it was mentioned...I remember I was at Clark at that time!!! Nice one, but look closely my friend...and I will say the same to you..."you don't know what the future is holding for you too"
I wish you all the best again habibi, enjoy... |
Speaking about the Praises to the current selection process...what do you know about it...it has changed 3 times when I was still at the Academy and this is the 4th time...all the 4 processes are LEGAL & are done by certified programs..etc. it's up to the Company to accept you with the low grades or not (if GCAA wasn't caring about it !!! )...I didn't say that it was PERFECT or Very Hard or Very easy...etc. I personally have tried Pilapt (with its different versions), Compass & IPAT, AAG were using Pilapt, then Shifted to Compass...etc. all are well known & effective by the recommendations of that company. It is as simple as that. Thus if compass recommends that you should take cadets with minimum score of 24 out of 35 then you must follow the recommendations otherwise why use any tool at all. But you fail to understand this. I am sorry to say that it not up to the company to accept cadets with low scores and i am afraid only Alpha can do that. I am really interested to know who has given you this information that you can take cadets with low score. Since you support a company which uses compass unethically my future cannot be as dark as yours. I repeat that in my eyes you are a self obsessed insensitive person who has become a spoke person of Alpha and keeps confirming information on behalf of Alpha. I do not wish to exchange any greetings with you. |
AS you wish
Aakhan, as you wish, but I just wanted to clarify that about the selection program(s)/Process :ok:
I know & you know that AAG had to get the high & well scored cadets in through, instead of what happened...not any kind of selection! I was here to share my experience(s)...the good & the bad, I haven't come here to swear at Alpha, GCAA or Air Arabia or even at you. Since I was here, I highly recommended people to WAIT & see the outcome of AAG's Batches to take a decision to do what I did or go somewhere else...whether here or in PMs or even Facebook... I said this & I will mention it again...I HAD FRIENDS & I STILL HAVE FRIENDS IN THAT ACADEMY & I WON'T GIVE UP FOR THEM TO HAVE A BETTER TRAINING, MY BATCH-MATES' FEEDBACK (including mine) HAD IMPROVED THE TRAINING AT AAG, AS WELL AS THE OTHER BATCHES' FEED-BACK... AAG is not perfect...maybe way far from perfect, as well as it is part of ME...of my history & a part of others' history...thus, ofcourse, AAG's improvement is a MUST to me, it is not a Company I worked for...it is an Institution that changed my life (to the better for most of us ;)) So please...when it comes to quality, training & entrenchment issues I am 100% against not being upto the the standards...there is no zic zac around it :ok: BUT you have to mention the good & the bad stuff...as ALL Companies does have a mix of both :) & no experience(s) will be the same... Good Nighty :zzz: |
Malirm if Alpha inducts even 1 cadets with low score of 12 out of 35 it is wrong when the minimum score recommended by compass is 24. This cadets cannot fly and has wasted two years of his life. Would you like to be in his shoes. Can you imagine the grief caused to him and his family because of the irresponsible and unethical use of compass. Hope you will stop writing posts whereby other naive cadets are lured into the programme. It is not the responsibility of cadets to improve Alpha.
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Why do I feel that this thread has become all about one upmanship!!!!!
cadets have graduated, joined arabia, flying the line and doing a good job! We all know alpha has had problems. Well, who does not? B747, A380, B787 all had teething problems! Questions is is alpha doin enough to solve those problems and have they got better over the years. Why isn't this point being discussed? Having said that I would still be wary about the MPL route....! cheers, |
Stratocruiser377
I pity you now. I am a cadet of this joke of a school and i KNOW that whatever taras has posted is true! Also whenever i have asked ur friend RP questions he has ignored them and just requested that I stop making useless posts since AAG will after help me to get a job. Think about what goes through my mind when all i read from you and RP is '' stop posting useless info''. I am sorry but if that was in a debate you would have lost in 1 min. That is NO way to defend AAG and its rep. |
honestpilot who told you will not get a job with ABY after you SUCCESSFULLY complete your MPL and base checks on A320..
Pls go ask the management for a clarification. |
they are facts my friend. I can vouch for them all. We both know that alpha is probation and we also know that the flying school was closed BEFORE the students who were flying in alpha could finish their training. They had just a few hours left. Some only had ONE hour left so please do not give a lame excuse by saying that it was voluntarily closed! No flying shool would do that since they are the ones losing money and the students lost time! They had to wait for a few weeks until the got their license to fly! They could not go solo before that! That much trouble and u STILL want to say that u closed it voluntarily! Now when they went to Australia they had to waste 2 months or so! And why ? because alpha cannot maintain its flying safety to a required standard. My piece of advice is this. All flying school makes mistakes. Admit them, correct them and then move on and improve on it. Do not try and deny it. People here are not stupid so do not treat them like one! |
Waw
This is Cool, 48 hours & a lot read :)
Keep up the good work People !!! |
Quoted from RPC 000 last post
[quotehonestpilot who told you will not get a job with ABY after you SUCCESSFULLY complete your MPL and base checks on A320.. Pls go ask the management for a clarification.][/quote] RPC 000, again a futile attempt to sound minimally intelligent and in the know. FYI there have been students who have been told that they wouldn't get a job at ABY by the management of AAG. And some of them are already holders of an MPL licence. There's no excuse for AAG management not to have pushed the last few students into Air Arabia through Alpha Sharjah by now. |
AAA Assessment
Great input guys, thanks ..
I've asked about the employment chances .. as confirmed by AAA, yes there's no guarantee for ABY employment .. but if the students do and completed the MPL program well, there's no way that ABY won't take them. Moreover, as per the new contract (confirmed by the AAA management) the students are guaranteed 1500hrs with ABY before they get released .. so if ABY is not willing to take you, at least you'll get your MPL and could convert the license to ATPL .. then you are free to apply to any airline in the world" .. Well that sounds good enough for me though if I may choose, I'd rather join ABY than have to work my way out for employment :ugh: after cashing out around USD 183k :} .. I've never seen the contract myself yet but I hope that's true .. Any opinion? ... Secondly, any suggestion/advise to prepare for AAA assessment? I couldn't find any PILAPT / Compass practice book for beginner or Psychometric book that specifically mentioned for cadet pilot? (I have checked and tried the one that have been suggested or discussed on Pprune thread, IPAS) .. I just wanna ensure that I get a good score, so that AAA and myself are worth the money .. :confused: help :8 .. |
do not worry about the assessment. You will get an offer no matter what.
If you go for the assessment drunk, high on drugs and half blind you will still pass the entrance exams. There is no point in having the compass exams if they are not followed properly. You have correctly mentioned that it is ~$183k. How many of us can pay that? I am lucky that i come from a wealthy family so paying for that is not an issue. But, this is not the case with everyone. As a result Alpha just wants to accept anyone who wants to come to alpha. The only reason those people never entered alpha was because of the money. I heard this from a realiable source. So far everyone who entered Alpha asking for a place got offered one. Which good flying school does that?! Oxford only takes u if u meet their standard unlike in alpha where money buys u a place imo. |
Sky81
.. as confirmed by AAA, yes there's no guarantee for ABY employment .. but if the students do and completed the MPL program well, there's no way that ABY won't take them. Moreover, as per the new contract (confirmed by the AAA management) the students are guaranteed 1500hrs with ABY before they get released .. so if ABY is not willing to take you, at least you'll get your MPL and could convert the license to ATPL .. then you are free to apply to any airline in the world" .. I would advise you to have ALL those "guarantees" in writing before you dish out a single cent. ....if the students do and completed the MPL program well, there's no way that ABY won't take them.... GOOD LUCK!!!! |
There is no cutoff or failing grade for PILAPT, so don't worry about that assessment... check the company website for more information.
A very important factor to keep in mind is... your time. Ask how many cadets are waiting ahead of you for the Line Training; what would be your exact start date; etc. Its good you're asking the questions, doing the prep work. Make sure you have a plan B, too. ABY won't take cadets if it doesn't need them. Another recession, another war, another SARS event - anything can happen*. |
As I said before, there are NO GUARANTEES in aviation! Get real guys! The chief pilot of my ex-airline stayed jobless for 5 and 1/2 years! :ooh: ...dont lose focus and keep working hard!
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Honestpilot. If AAG is so bad, why don't you leave? Also, why don't you share your opinions with your future employer, Air Arabia? I am sure that they will be delighted to hear that you have such a low opinion of their chosen training school (in which they are a shareholder) and it will do wonders for your job prospects.http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/icon25.gif TARAS B, there was no illegal overtime for FI's, there was no under-establishment of FI's and no enforced shut down of the Sharjah flight line. Everything was 100% compliant and the flight line shut down for nothing more sinister than commercial reasons. That to me sounds a lot more expensive. You would have had to pay the flights to Australia for 4 students, rent for 4 students and all the required flight for 4 students. Flights to Australia on Cathay costs ~5k (per person) rent costs some 4k (per person) and flights maybe an extra 2k (per person). That is an extra 10k dhs per person. If flying was allowed in Shj then AAG would not need to pay for the flights or the rent. The only reason that would happen is if the flightline in AAG was closed. When I was in Australia some students told me that the flightline was closed by GCAA. So, sorry to say this but I will believe them over you. |
Yes, bad things happened in the past (although Alpha dealt with them very honourably), but the new management run the business very professionally and everything is 100% ethical and safe.[QUOTE]
Stratocruiser bad things continue to happen even now only you do not want to acknowledge it. To say that the new management has set everything right is a joke. You got to earn the respect of cadets which is not the case. When all the issuses are settled then all the negative posts will end. It is simple to understand this |
Hi Guys!
After looking at FTEJerez and CTC wings, I recently found out the MPL programme of Alpha aviation in Sharjah. They said that the programme includes 1500 hours on A320. But I cant really trust them and things in middle east change overnight and you cant really do much. I asked them why the cadets dont sign a contract with Air Arabia before commencing the training, rather than signing it after finishing the training. The replied that Air Arabia wants to hire pilot not students,lol. Any current cadet or anyone doing training in Sharjah? What would you recommend? |
imran_x66 if you pass the initial assessment with AAG you will then be interviewed by Air Arabia Sr Capt and HR and they will confirm to you that after successfully completing the MPL course with AAG you will be offered a full time job as a First Officer its at that time you will sign a contract with Air Arabia.
Air Arabia cant hire you until you are qualified pilot. It would be impossible for them to issue you a UAE work permit while you are a cadet pilot with AAG. btw... I work for AAG Im not a cadet. |
If you work for AAG then at least get the basic factual info correct. I think even Air Arabia would be appalled by the misinformation. After successful completion of the MPL and an Air Arabia interview someone will only then be offered a line training contract. All who have successfully completed the MPL to date have been accepted for line training but there is no guarantee of this in writing for anyone. The persent contract is NOT a 1st Officer contract - what rubbish. It is a 750 hour written temporary contract with a verbal promise that all will get at least 1,500 hours. So at 750 hours AA will either extend for another 750 hours or offer a 1st Officer contract - it all depends on AAs manning requirements and perfomance during the first 750 hours. So your assertion that we will get an open ended permanent 1st Officer contract straight away from AA is plain wrong. AA is probably rightly assessing competence and will only wish to retain who it wishes to retain.
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Sign me up then. Here I come with 100,000 US. To complete an MPL licence with that airline only for a temporary contract..... With a bunch of if, buts and maybe's.
I cannot possibly understand why people are even considering this setup, with that money on training go and get yourself a proper licence and be employable any where around the world. Properly set up MPL or normal Atpl sponsorship the airline is responsible for you from the word go, it is their money they are spending on you, also it is the airline that can break the contract if you are unable to stay with the training. These guys seem to like to sound that they can guarantee your career, nothing is guaranteed in aviation, this airline may go bust or change its company name and where will you be halfway through your MPL. I bet if this certain company was then to change its business details and name, the contracts would be worthless and that would be one way of not honoring obligations if there is a slowdown in their pilot recruitment. Fluffy Fluffy |
Stratocruiser how many will you remove ? There will be many waiting ? Alpha will be exposed to the entire aviation community. It is better to settle all the issues if you want a new beginning. Think about it, otherwise there is no stopping.
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Not sure that Alpha management and Halldale will allow it though. |
Stratocruiser you do not need to be wealthy. If you can pay DH 440,000+++ then surely you can also buy your ticket to Singapore.
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aakhan & Taras B you are most welcome to come and visit the AAG booth at APATS we are at booth 41.. hope to see you there..
All our sr. management will be attending the event it can be a great opportunity to meet them and get clarity on any issues you have. |
Thanks for the information.
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Time...
Gents, (if there are any ladies in here, then my sincere apologies are in order, but given the type of bickering, I should safely assume otherwise)…
This surely is constructive, both ways. AAG as well as the potential cadets are maturing, at least in their knowledge of either side. Let’s keep it professional & ‘INFORM’ each other of both, facts & opinions & let the reader decide what is right or wrong. Honestly speaking if one is an aspiring commercial pilot, then he better have a sense of understanding & responsibility to know the truth from lies. I do however encourage voicing of matters in the right forum. Therefore, I do second the opinion of voicing concerns (IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER) at the APATS. This will surely work to the benefit of the righteous party. If the so called wronged cadets are indeed right, then I am sure that AAG will respond positively & professionally & if they are not, then AAG clears its name once and for all. There should be no bullying, coercing or lies. The only way to settle this dust, is by blowing it away. |
A question for the AAG management
Is IATA being given accurate and truthful information regarding the Sharjah and Clark Aviation performances? For all those that have been fighting for fairness To help understand the question, this is the "IATA Training and Qualification Initiative (ITQI)" report and where you can find the information given to IATA in respect of those two training centres. Find the report that IATA has for the APATS in Singapore here: http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/aircraf...ter%202012.pdf To better see what I'm talking about, right click on any page and "Save as" to your computer. Open the PDF file and go to page 12, Fig. 7 "IATA Global MPL Tracker". Zoom to 600% (on my computer) and analyse the data for ALPHA AVIATION / CLARK and SHARJAH. Since IATA officials would not suck up the numbers from their thumbs, the logical conclusion is that AAG was the entity providing the data. Do the numbers in the report agree with what the REALITY is and has been at both training centres? If they are not REAL numbers, doesn't this mean that an international organization such as IATA has been lied to and provided with false data? Since IATA works closely with ICAO, and both rely on truthful information from the FTOs that provide MPL training, doesn't this constitute a crime of false information and abuse of trust? I'm sure that the IATA and ICAO representations in APATS would appreciate some personal presentation from those who have been fleeced by the continuing scam. . |
Thanks Risk and Traveller 93 for your support and information. Needful will be done. Truth cant be hidden for long.
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I'm sure that the IATA and ICAO representations in APATS would appreciate some personal presentation from those who have been fleeced by the continuing scam. For those who dont know who Capt Deiter Harms is pls start your research on MPL from scratch. See you all at APATS looking forward. :ok: |
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