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stikku 9th Aug 2010 09:26

Alpha Aviation Academy
 
I am thinking about joining the Alpha Aviation Academy based at Sharjah. I would like your opinion on the course they offer. Do they provide you with full training required to become a pilot. I have read bad reviews regarding this academy in this thread

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/36...e-caution.html

I would like to know if they have improved in anyway. After I have successfully completed the training will I be able to get a job with Air Arabia. I have been told that this will happen and I would like to verify it.

thanks for the help

777-Aviator 9th Aug 2010 17:13


After I have successfully completed the training will I be able to get a job with Air Arabia. I have been told that this will happen and I would like to verify it.
You've been told? You must be kidding around!

You have to believe such claims only when you have them written in an official contract.. Otherwise, don't pay this crazy amount of cash for an MPL from UAE and go get an FAA or JAA ATPL if you are worried enough about finding a job!

Red max 9th Aug 2010 17:33

there are heaps of holes and lack of information regarding the MPL , do your self a favour and go through the usual way CPL/IR + (f)ATPL , i recommend getting JAA instead of icao , although i really doubt that a fresh pilot out of school could get a job in EU without EU citizenship. but still you save yourself alot of hassel incase you ever wanted to convert your license.

malirm 10th Aug 2010 15:31

About the MPL
 
I am a MPL cadet from Alpha, I guess my feedback in the thread you (stikku) mentioned would really help...anyways, just to tell you what you are paying for:

1. MPL License = [CPL/IR + ATPL Ground School + MCC in FNPT II Jet (60hrs) + Type Rating (110 hrs on level D A320 Sim) + 70hrs SE + 120hrs A320]

2. As a part of your licensing, you will have to make 12 TOs & LDGs (A320 time)

3. As part of your Licensing too, you will have to do 40 Sectors with the Partner Airline (not sponsor), where you will get roughly 100 to 120 hours of flight time on A320 with Air Arabia, this is where they'll welcome you or otherwise, but trust me, if you made it that far...you're OK

4. Converting to CPL/IR is easy after this stage (40 Sects) as you will only need to fly 10 to 20 more Hours on a ME airplane (still not confirmed if you can convert w/o these hours, as you already have proved your ability to operate on Commercial Flights)

Best of luck choosing, I had the same confusion...

777-Aviator 11th Aug 2010 12:45

malirm,

Although I'm not convinced of the rational behind having MPL that is not sponsored by any company and then going back to convert to CPL/IR if needed, you still haven't answered the most important question that stikku was asking. Do you have any job offer with Air Arabia or any other airline company after getting your MPL? What's your plan if Air Arabia doesn't hire AAA cadets for a reason or another? :suspect:

stikku 11th Aug 2010 19:41

Hoping to get more information from you folks. Have all the cadets who have passed been employed with air arabia.

Gulfstreamaviator 11th Aug 2010 19:52

Clarify please
 
The 12 T/L are these in the aircraft or the SIM.

The 40 sectors. 100-120 hours with Air Arabia, are these as SNU, or SIC.

glf

malirm 11th Aug 2010 23:54

777-Aviator, the answer to your question is a NO...but to be honest, since I have joined AAA, Air Arabia HR, Head of Training & even Flt Ops Manager has at least 1 to 2 visits a month, I remember the Top Management meetings with AAA Top Managements...etc. there is always a constant presence of Air Arabia Staff in AAA, we've had them visiting us once into our classroom & trying to motivate us, one of the High Management guys said ''We are happy that we have opened such a training program'' then I asked him your question (getting hired)...he said ''I understand...etc, Just focus on your training, you are Air Arabia's Sons''. Although it doesn't sound like a guarantee, but at least I can sense it all over the place, from instructors to Management :ok:.

Trust me, its a tough training program, whoever makes it through, will be a good airlinr pilot (one who can handle jets/SOPs...etc. from the first day at work), I know some airlines in the region & I heard from some them that they are intrested in MPL...can't say more than that about it!, hope it'll become official before the end of the year :)

@ glf, the time logged will be SIC (FO) as you will already be carrying the MPL after the Real/Actual A320 12 T/Ls.

daman0487 12th Aug 2010 04:08

Hi,

So in short, it's a 'No' eh? I've been told time and again that almost any fit individual can be trained to fly a plane, but if one does not have the innate capabilities that airlines always look out for in potential pilots (doesn't crack under pressure, etc.), well, the MPL will look good being hung on the living room wall i suppose.

stikku 13th Aug 2010 06:15

information
 
I am looking for the answers and will not put my money for now. Good luck to yannisfr. Keep us informed.

malirm 13th Aug 2010 10:10

@ Daman
 
I think you might be right...or maybe not, well, I've seen alots of people who applied for the MPL training & were found not fit for it...having 4 different tests & an interview is rarely done for CPL/IR cadets of other schools.

My father was a previous CPL/IR holder & now an ATPL flying 777s & he was the one who pushed me to it, as he knows what kind of training I would get...etc. Trust me its a matter of time, MPL worked in the Philippines & Air Arabia has interviewed & employed 7 MPL cadets from the Sister company (Clark Aviation Academy)...if you went through my previous posts, I mentioned that Air Arabia owns 51% of AAA (this could be a pressure point on Air Arabia, they must hire to keep the school running).

Anyways, each one of us has his own opinion, watching a fight is completely different than being in it...I am in it, while most of you guys are watching...so far so good, I can sense victory is coming :ok:. Wish you all good days :)

yannisfr 13th Aug 2010 10:34

Only 7...
 
So there was only 7 cadets (from Clark) who joined Air Arabia out of all the ones who joined batch 1, Batch 2, .... in Sharjah?

Did everybody closed the programme in 18 months?

malirm 13th Aug 2010 11:47

Yannisfr
 
Lets just Clarify some stuff here about Sharjah MPL cadets, I am one of the guys who had joined AAA in the 2nd Batch, the 2nd batch started with 6 Cadets & ended up with 2, where 2 have failed to keep it up & 2 had some financial issues!

The first batch are a total of 9 Cadets, as we are only 2, batch one & two have merged & formed a class of 11 cadets after the grund school, now we are doing our core flying in the Philippines (Clark Aviation) due to alots of reasons, including the experience of the MPL instructors up here :ok:. The other batches are due to fly soon (Sept), until that time...I'll give you the news!

The Non-Philippino guys who graduated from Clark (7 at the moment), came to Sharjah for an interview with Air Arabia & had made it through. Alots of Filippino MPL cadets (about 30) have joined Cebu Pacific airlines & I have heard (not confirmed) that Zest Air is intrested & had hired some! PAL is on the way maybe !

yannisfr 13th Aug 2010 12:46

Marlim
 
Thanks for your answer Marlim. Did AAA opened any other batches after the first and second?
I wanna be sure that the programme will not take pmore than 18 months, but it seems that it isn't the case, isn't it? You began one year ago, and you are still in the core flying phase, so it will take at least one more year to close the programme...

AAA told me that the core flying will be done in Sharjah, do they have enough C172 for that?

Thanks for your answers

Yannis

malirm 14th Aug 2010 04:29

@ yannis
 
AAA has a third & forth batch on the way...I think it will take exactly 18 months for us, as the only slow phase is the core flying, due to weather & other limitations. At the moment, AAA has 2 C172SPs & are planning to get an extra one by the end of the year, maybe another one by early next year :confused:

The FNPT II is being installed (from Mechatronix) in AAA, by the time we finish (roughly Mid-Sept), everything will be ready & training will run smoothly until the end of the year, maybe to the end of Jan 2011 due to GCAA processing time!

A320 Simulators are ready whether it was in CAE, Dubai or Clark Aviation or Jordan or even Tunisia, we have 4 back up plans for it...:ok:. I just Soloed today (on the 28th hour...as per MPL Syllabus)...from today onwards, I'll go fast on the Sorties :)

yannisfr 14th Aug 2010 10:31

Marlim
 
Congrat for your solo! One FNPT2 will probably not be enough to train you all 9 at the same time. What is the age range for the 4 batches (youngest and oldest)?
Good luck for the end of your core flying!

malirm 15th Aug 2010 11:39

@ Yannisfr
 
Thanks man...I believe one Simulator in more than enough specially for 16 hours a day operations, one instructor can finish 4 cadets in the morning, while the another finishes another 4 cadets in the afternoon (you can have overnight ops too)...you are talking about 4 hours a day per cadet & one cadet need to clock 60 hrs, So, 60/4 = 15 days to get the MCC done..or roughly 3 weeks (including weekends), lets say 4 weeks (which is the Target), then off to the A320 by 1st Nov. which is 2 months or less!...then 12 TO/Ldgs which is ONE day only, then the License :ok:

We have cadets who just turned 18 & others over the age of 40 ! Most of us are in 20s, but we have some in 30s & 40s too :)

fatcadet 15th Aug 2010 12:16

Gulfstreamaviator
 
12T/L are these in the aircrcraft or SIM

Confucius says a picture is word thousand words. What about a video?

youTube-Base Training on Airbus A320-MPL @ Clark Aviation

opl330 16th Aug 2010 11:05

I noticed the students from AAA on this subject. I have questions about the interview to get a AAA
I would like to know information about :
-language and mathematics testing
-computer based COMPASS aptitude testing
-psychometric evaluation
-intreview with experienced pilot assesor
thanks you

777-Aviator 17th Aug 2010 02:20

Good luck to those who are about to get their MPL. I only think that this kind of license is not the right choice, at least these days.


http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...-thoughts.html


Guys, it's worthwhile reading the posted replies in the thread above. Some wise words from experts I believe.:D

Masif Eego 17th Aug 2010 03:21

what's the difference between a MPL holder and a duck ???
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anyone ???
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a duck can fly

malirm 20th Aug 2010 08:44

Not so high :ok: as MPL will take you to 30000 ft :eek:

yannisfr 23rd Aug 2010 12:10

Marlim
 
Hi Marlim, any news concerning the opening of AAA's/AA new facilities in Sharjah? What about the accommodations too?

malirm 25th Aug 2010 19:30

@ Yannisfr
 
Hi, the FNPT II is on the way from Canada, will be ready by the Mid of Sept (or end), we are scheduled for the FNPT II in October anyways :ok:

The Ground School is doing great & the Flight line is getting ready to become active soon with 4 flight instructors & 2 Cessnas currently, the maintenance department is finalising its certification (so that we don't depend on other companies...fix on the spot), but nothing really new, I will post any news I get about AAA whether is was good or Bad :)... Sept will be the good news month as far as I can say.

yannisfr 26th Aug 2010 08:37

@Marlim
 
Thanks Marlim, but what about the new buildings? There were supposed to built new facilities to be ready for 2010...

And what about the accommodation?

Thanks!

malirm 27th Aug 2010 18:38

Hi, well let me start with the accomodation, I haven't seen it inperson, but I've seen some of my friends' photos on face book & they looked luxurious, Air Arabia Flight Attendants & some pilots live there & its really Classy (Specially with the Car Parking & Swimming pool, don't know about the Gym :ok:), I might live in there when I come back from the Philippines for the rest of the training & hopefully after I get employed by air arabia :O.

The new facilities, buildings...etc. you have mentioned, were postponed, where AAA buildings might be built beside (connected to) Air Arabia's new HQ or maybe Air Arabia's Training Academy :confused:, which is under study/process...don't know when, but I know that Air Arabia's OWN A320 Sim Building is being built & will be ready by the end of the year, the sim will be ready sometime next year...anyways, I'm not going to get trained there...

The current building (Hangar), which AAA moved into in Sept. 2009 is pretty good, its split into 4, it've got 4 Classrooms, 1 Student lounge + other rooms for GIs (grnd inst) & Admin...etc. while the Flight School, Maintenance Dept. & FNPT II are on the Airside :ok: of the Hangar...hope this helps

gmsriram 29th Aug 2010 13:28

Want to join Alpha
 
Hey marlim, i have been reading thru all your threads and it has given me a clear view about alpha but is it worth it till now according to you and the training?
And can you give a brief description of the selection process?

malirm 30th Aug 2010 08:27

gmsriram
 

is it worth it till now according to you and the training?

Well, I can't say if its worth it or not until I finish my training & have the MPL in my pocket with a bunch of airlines intrested in me, as a matter of fact, I know 3 airlines who are intrested in MPL in this region at the moment & air arabia had already employed 7 mpl cadets from our sister company Clark Aviation :ok:. If you were speaking Quality wise, well, AAA is providing the best training Syllabus & Equipment Plus really great Instructors.



And can you give a brief description of the selection process?
Well, I don't know if it has changed until this date, but this is what happened with me:

Day 1 : Pilapt (Psychomotor Test), English Test then Math Test, Lunch Break & then the Interview...sometimes the interview gets postponed to Day 2!

Day 2 : Personality Questionaire (Boring 250 Questions test) to see if you have the personality or to see if you have no issues :ok:, then the results...usually they discuss all the results (except personality) with you in the Interview...then you have to wait for the phone call, I got it after 2 hours (on the way back home), the phone call is the final decision, even if they seemed happy with your performance throughout your tests.

pacemakerpratik 14th Sep 2010 16:39

malirm malirm malirm
 
malirm!
you are everywhere in Alpha Aviation Academy's thread, you sound more like the Brand Ambassador for them, think about working out a deal with them, hey!.... I would totally recommend you :D:D:D

good job!!

anyways! what's the update now-a-days? you got your solo a month back, how much of hours have you logged since then, when are you heading back SJH ?

and by the way, if i were to enroll in the AAA by November, do you think I might also need to be in P'pines for my PHASE 2 ?

All the Best!!:ok:

malirm 30th Sep 2010 15:16

@ pacemakerpratik
 
Thanks for the :D :D :D , I think by letting you guys know more about AAA & MPL doesn't need a deal with anybody...I was in your place for sometime, it took me weeks to decide whether its worth it or Not :ok:.

I am only 9 hours away from the 70th hour that I must log before proceeding to the MCC/FNPTII (Phase 3), for the time being...I'm in the last 9 hours of IFR...so expecting to finish by 10 Oct 2010 ! or Before...depending on the weather...as its the Wet Season in the Philippines !

I don't think that you will need to fly in the Philippines for the Core Flying, we were an exception (First 9 Students) as they didn't want to slow our training (as you know...its an Ab-initio). AAA is close to launch the Core Flying in Sharjah, they say on the 16th of October is the Date...some delays has occured because of the AMO certification (Aircraft Maintenance Organisation Certificate)...as AAA will have the First Certified hangar for Light aircrafts like the Cessnas & other Piston Engined airplanes in Sharjah :ok: (how could you fly the airplane if you can't fix it or simply have a license that allows you to add oil to the engine after a long flight)

Anymore Questions...please let me know...flying in the afternoon these days, so I'm up all night!

pacemakerpratik 30th Sep 2010 16:52

@malirm™
 
:D:D:D you worth it.
after-all you are the only guy, providing us the updates. Seriously! it's so interesting and you are doing a really appreciable job! :ok:

I'm sure :O you would keep us posted about the updates,
Good-Luck with the hours and beyond.

Thanks for the Night Overtime,

P.S.: you are the Trademark for AAA in the "pprune" ;)

yannisfr 1st Oct 2010 16:27

@Malirm....
 
Hi Malirm,

Any good news coming? I heard that Air Arabia wanted to get out from Alpha Aviation? Is it true?

Why does the cadets are not signing a contract with AA like the ones with flybe and OAA or FTE Jerez?

Yannis

yannisfr 1st Oct 2010 16:29

@Malirm....
 
Hi Malirm,

Any good news coming? I heard that Air Arabia wanted to get out from Alpha Aviation? Is it true? :uhoh:

Why does the cadets are not signing a contract with AA like the ones with flybe and OAA or FTE Jerez?

Yannis

malirm 2nd Oct 2010 16:46

@ Yannisfr
 
Hi, I've never heard about air arabia getting out from Alpha...I heard that Alpha will start covering a part of the Cabin Crew training for Air Arabia & 3rd party airlines, Alpha's Cabin Mock Up will be hosted in Air Arabia's new Cabin Crew training facility!

Another news is that Air Arabia has stopped accepting the Ab-initio CPL/IR/TR graduates to give the MPLers some space (they removed the position from the Careers website)...so far (as mentioned earlier) 7 MPL cadets are employed with Air Arabia & another 8 to follow before us (AAA cadets)...don't know from where you heard the news...but its for sure the opposite of what I heard!

I really don't know about the Contract thing...but I know that I will have 40 Sectors with Air Arabia before a Highly Pottential Contract Signiture :ok:

gilderoy lockhart 2nd Oct 2010 19:00

Malrim,
Glad the flying is going well and the course is progressing, I am sure you will continue to impress.

Cheers MB

yannisfr 2nd Oct 2010 19:18

@Malirm
 
I heard it from a guy who is COO at AA Morocco

malirm 3rd Oct 2010 15:47

@ Yannisfr
 
I have been trying to get some insider news about that matter the whole day, but trust me...I couldn't find, are you sure the Cheif Operating Officer in AA Maroc is saying that? I don't know if he meant for AA Maroc...please confirm with Mr. RR about this matter...it seems that you know someone or you are around him :bored:.

AAA has a training partnership with Air Arabia, plus, we started giving AA FOs the ATPL ground school so that they can upgrade to Captains & if there was any bad news...trust me, we (cadets) will know it before AAA management...as I said some of us (not me!) are sons of Captains in Air Arabia :ok:.

Yannisfr...the news you've heard might not be true and hope it's not...although I'm sure it's not :), that's PPRuNe...

GL...Thanks for the Thumbs Up !

yannisfr 3rd Oct 2010 16:28

@Malirm
 
I hope you're right. A friend of mine knows the guy. He is called Ramachandran Rohit upon my friend. I am just reporting what i heard. He was talking about AA in general, and saying as well that more MPLers have tbeen taken just to ensure the financing of the school and the investments but that all of them will not be taken inside once they will complete the programme....:bored:

malirm 3rd Oct 2010 18:15

@ Yannisfr
 
As I mentioned earlier somewhere around PPRuNe...Air Arabia is a Partner Airline & not a Sponsor Airline...so you can expect them not to employ some of us or even most of us...it all depends on our performance & the Airline's performance...Nothing New :)

I know (as a matter of fact) that Alpha Aviation MPLers (GCAA license holders) will have priority over the sister company MPLers (Clark Aviation to be exact) as from day one on the A320 Sim...we will be trained by Air Arabia Captains...you'd know if you were going to be taken or not before the end of the Training...But until this moment, nothing is guaranteed (I mentioned that before)...so Mr. Ramachandran sounds Logical...why in hell they would take an extra employee if they don't want him?

I heard that (Long time Ago, when I joined), some of us might get employed immediately while the others will be placed in the holding pool & be absorbed slowly into the Company (only incase the Airline needs pilots & we were good enough...I think holding a MPL sounds good enough) :ok:

As my Parents & Grand Parents say...wait & see (Observe)...in this case, wait & see me :eek:

So Basically, Air Arabia is not backing off from Alpha Aviation Academy...its still the same :) (No Guarantees)

yannisfr 15th Oct 2010 14:05

@Malirm
 
Hi Malirm, how are u doing so far? Any good new to share?


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