5-1 year to complete what 750 hours ? Can someone please explain when these MPLs get checked and released to the line ?

Also what if after 1500 , ABY doesn't want you anymore , is the 110,00 AED paid in full to you or is it pro rated?

Would appreciate if someone could clarify on this and the latest delays in each stage

I know you don't want me to answer but:

After 1,500HRS you can move to EY, QR or get your MPL converted to ATPL. (at extra cost)

The 5 > month is for basic flying stage. Selected school is full of cadets.

Lol no beef mate, but it's still not clear ;

Specifically , my question was on the 110,000 AED- I know that it's paid back to you monthly , if you are cut at any stage is it pro rated it paid back in full? If it's not paid back in full this is really bad

What does basic flying stage mean ?! How many sectors till you are released to line and how long does it take from day one of Line training ? What happens contractually when you are released to line ?

When do you know if you are staying or going and on what basis are they evaluating besides operational needs?

And finally the latest round of delays , what's the story behind that?

New selection procedure
 

Hello guys
I have done the assessments at Alpha Aviation on 26th Jan.
I have passed everything however they are saying that there is a new procedures implemented for the selection process. So the management is going to review assessment results of the candidate and further decide for the acceptance.

Has anyone been noticed before or is there anyone knows about it?

What sort of new procedures ?

Ok thank you for sharing . When is the earliest course date this year ?

@Dogkim

That's terrible what Your saying. They keep changing rules and every year the program seems to be getting worse. Now they keep You waiting after the panel interview? Amateurs....

Unless they want to ease You to waiting, which You will be doing a lot with all the delays they have.

I thought I could not dislike this school any more than I already do, they have just proven me wrong. This stinks of arrogance, "we will do whatever we want and treat you however we want and you'll just take it". This whole sham of a programme should be boycotted by all self respecting individuals.

Couldn't agree more, why didn't they tell you this before coming for the assessment ?! Just the sort of arrogance you are going to face throughout your time there.

Earliest course start date is 23rd of April.

More news - since this year there is NO GUARANTEE on 1500 hrs nor contract. Few students left behind with less that 500 hrs...and their 'Air Arabia licence' will not be accepted anywhere. This is SCAM !

Fifi,

Are you sure about this ? I think those students have probably failed or have made the management angry (most likely no fault of their own )

Can you elaborate further ? I think contractually they have to attempt to give you 1,500 hours

They have to give You 1500 hours, unless :)

Unless they consider that You made a mistake/ they don't have enough space/ they are not in the mood they can terminate the contract at any time for whatever reason (and we all know that one can always find a reason) and all your money is wasted.

This happened with few F/O already and will continue.

What are those students going to do ? MPL license is useless elsewhere

It is useless but who cares? This is business Air Arabia style. Is anyone surprised by now?

how was your assessment and the panel interview? Please share more of ur experience at Alpha. Is there anyone else lined up for an assessment with them?

For all of you expecting permenant contracts

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-dividend-cut

Where is the core flying going to happen for the newer batches and how long does it take to get a visa to Europe currently ?

The core flying is at Gair Training Center in Portugal.

It takes roughly two weeks to get the visa and the process will be slightly faster if you apply through alpha.

Crazy bird from your previous posts it looks like you joined around the 3rd quarter of 2015, may I ask what stage your batch has reached ? Are you flying the line ?

My batch is in the various phases of the a320 type rating.
No, we haven't started flying on line yet, still have some time to go.

Thanks for the reply, gives the rest of us a good sense of timeline . So it looks like about 15 months just to finish the type rating ?

Base training and completing sectors might take abother 6-12 months ?

Yes you can say that. Majority of the delays take place prior to core flying. After that it's pretty much smooth.

Regarding completion of base training and the 100 sectors, that is usually completed 6-8 months after completion of the type rating. But that is assuming minimum delays.

Yeah I don't know what you're training program looks like but,

You'll need a good number of observation flights then PM sectors and PF sectors

Instructor availability might be an issue and I wonder if aby prioritize MPL training considering you lot take so long to become productive ...

Are you a student in alpha ?

Nope but have friends who are intersted in joining ...

Alpha is a SCAM. Big delays, no job guarantee, 5000 dhs salary (WTF? try to stay alive with this salary in Dubai, especially after You just spent 600 000 dhs...), bad customer service, people treating You like ****....For the recruitment process itself they want 7000 dhs (!!!) and they don't allow medical being done first, because if there is sth about health that will prevent You taking the course, at least they will take Your money for math/physics test and evaluation.

This 'school' is a disgrace.

I completely agree that its a pay to fly scheme and contributes to deteriorating terms for everybody. I also agree that they are extrmely unreliable and unpredictable, thats both Alpha and ABY, with impending economic and political struggle who knows what will happen. Yes people are rude and have a very bad approach to things. Im not talking about people on the line and many of the good TRI's that they have, its management culture and general middle east problems. They could careless that you paid and wasted time, they are the boss, they decide and dont argue. You can be cut at anytime which is also concerning.

Another problem is the maturity of these students themselves, alpha doesnt seem like a professional place, money money money, only time will tell to see the type of captains these MPL lot become. I for one know that i didnt get things the easy way, made me a much better pilot, never paid never will.

Oh, forgot to mention this. FOR THE FIRST TIME Air Arabia will not give ANY bonus for the employees. NOTHING. Air Arabia, Emirates, Etihad are starting to make cuts and savings wherever they can, and this is just the beginning. Golden years in aviation in Middle East is finished. Anyone who wants to be Alpha student should think about what kind of a job they will have (if any) when they finish the course after 3 years. Salaries will be much less and flying hours will be much more (this already happens in EMK).

Alpha MPL course is a terrible package.

Did you get a call yet?
 

Did you get a call from them yet

fififi

Few minor changes, corrected spelling and grammar. Overall good summary. :ok:

Agree. Any alternatives?

positive climb, so with excess FOs and no upgrades, how much are they flying during training and once released ?

- Sounds like a complete rip off. They might not even honour the 1500 and give you an ATPL. They certainly are NOT going to give you a job after.

Ive been saying this for years, when the going gets tough schemes like this collapse.

Can anyone say if the delays of core flying are being done intentionally from Alpha or is there an actual problem? People here say after the type rating everything will run "smooth" i assure you nothing is going to be smooth, you are not going to recover your investment and it will be a long time before you find another job.

once you are cut from the program , theyll find ways to make you pay.

Why?
 

pfvspnf

I couldn't help but notice that you are quite active on alpha related threads with a lot of negative things to say about them, rather , only negative things to say about them. And judging by your previous posts, you are a not a student at the academy , you are not with Air arabia, you never applied to alpha and you do not work in the Middle East.
So why so vindictive ?

Your posts are truly negative and in abdundance scattered throughout this thread. Even though you say you have never been associated with the academy.
Please don't take me wrong . This is in no way an attack or an attempt to insult you , I am merely expressing my curiousity.
I say this because every single time I have seen similar behavior, it was by students who were kicked out of the course mid way for whatever reason( primarily attitude ) and then they come here to vent about it.

Now if you are not a student or an employee, I honestly don't think that you are actually qualified to be writing reviews and opinions about a product that you haven't bought so to speak, even if it is with an outside perspective.
Would you go on to zomato to write a review about a restaurant that you have never tried even though from the outside it looks like a dump?

Now, I do agree that alpha is not the best academy or institute there is.
The quality of training one receives is top notch though. The instructors do teach well and they genuinely care about your growth. But the management of the company is another story, yes they are inefficient and everything that you say they are. But it is in no a scam or scheme.
I am a student , and I know plenty of students in the various phases of training and many of whom who have competed and are flying with Air Arabia now. Things do go slow from time to time but that is bound to happen with the ups and downs of the economy. But , at the end of the day, If you are good enough at the job , you get it. It's that simple.

There aren't many alternatives to this course. How many courses do you
Know of that guarantee 1500 jet hours that is open to all nationalities and gives you good prospects of getting a job after ?
If there are many alternatives, please do encourage the readers of this thread to go for it and help them rather than trying to influence people who don't know much about the industry and who just want to fulfill their dream. Trust me, i was also one of them and forums like this played a big part in my descision making as to which academy to join.

The MPL is an inefficient course, not a bad course and definelty not a scam of sort

Now I know that I will have a lot of **** thrown at me for this post, so I shall just leave this here so people can make an informed decision regarding their training and I will refrain from replying to you in the future.

Have a nice day and keep the blue side up my friend.

Not :mad: throwing at you lol, but ...

I really beg to differ. The MPL, in its very philosophy is designed to be the most efficient course around, and when run properly, it is.

Lufthansa, Aer Lingus, easyJet, Virgin Atlantic, Air Asia, Tiger Air, IndiGo, Qatar Airways, Flybe ... that is just a list off the top of my head of some of the airlines who run the MPL course, and they do it because it is so efficient. But, they run their MPL courses in conjunction with competent schools who know how to run the MPL as it's supposed to be run.

If Alpha screw it up, that does not mean the MPL is a bad course, you should look at the school in my opinion.

Aah yes, now that you mention it , I do agree with your point. I guess the more appropriate line would be , 'the way alpha is running its MPL course is inefficient'

Etihad, Dragon, Tiger, JAL, EVA, Czech, Condor, and alot more. Check ICAO website. Very strong list and growing.

Alpha for one guarantees the 1500H in contract with ABY. Not something other FTO's are capable of, unless you go through an airline specific scheme.

Worst case the airline chooses not to hire you after 1500H, then congratulations, you have a frozen ATPL with 1500H. Believe me that's a good thing.

How long have you been in g9...if at all? Factually wrong!

We did not get bonus 4 years back as well. This year looks like they are just holding onto their cash given what's happening around with other carriers. otherwise we still made 490mil USD profit! Not a bad position to be in.

Crazy Bird... Where do I begin?

You are correct in saying I'm not a current student or an ex student of Alpha but I'm very familiar with the program and its policies and get updates quite regularly.

Let me start off with something good to say, Air Arabia does indeed have some excellent line instructors, its a safe operator and have got their training down to an art. Alpha MPL is a route thats expensive but so far many people have completed and got employment.

Now the negatives are true, For the price you pay the delays are not acceptable and also the way in which the students are treated is terrible. Alpha training is not top notch, there are a lot of unqualified people giving instruction.

After 1500 hours you do NOT have an ATPL or Frozen ATPL. Youll need to pass a sim check with an OPC Which ABY might not give you. The contract is entirely in their favour. Everyone knows the region , legal system is a long and bureaucratic process.

ABY Profit is AED509 Million not 490 million USD and its down 4% from the same period. Holding back cash is not giving a bonus!

You may think people are nice but when things are not in your favour, alpha and aby can be very very difficult with you, there are a lot of instances where people who have done nothing wrong have been terminated or been treated badly.

The fact that you say that you are treating this as a "bought" product shows me the mentality of some of these MPLers, I never bought my employment in aviation and I have a lot more experience than you. Would be interesting having you in the right seat someday. Its not just you, its this entire generation , flying is a privilege, always remember that!

Alpha should not state that this course takes 18 months because it clearly doesnt, they should be clear on these delays and expectations!

Nobody ever promised You a job in Air Arabia. Just hours and with current market condition, that ALL what You will get, if not less. I predict Alpha will stop taking students this year.