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Black Pudding 26th Apr 2011 10:18

loc22550


My new best pprune friend, how are you.



I said many, not most.



The 320 FM is only going to get those with problems going to him moaning, not those that are happy. Could I be correct in saying that.


The only problem I have here is flying with Captains who want to drag the aircraft in level with everything hanging out from 15 miles away, wasting fuel. Anyone ever thought about promoting CDA's here or what. The amount of wasted money in fuel must be millions a year.



The holiday system which does not allow you to book less than 7 days at a go. If someone wants 2-3 days off, he has to have 7. The amount of wasted manpower is a joke especially after reading an ACN about use of company equipment and property with regards wasting money.


loc22550

I am as happy as can be. I get the feeling that those that do nothing but moan are the cause of why its difficult to have a Pilot/Management communications system in place here in order to improve things, because they are pissed off with those wanting everything for nothing. The number of times I hear pilots moaning about doing a night India. FFS, you're a pilot based in the middle east.


I think if the company set up a forum where we as the workforce cold suggest things, ask things and do so in the full knowledge of who we are instead of hiding behind a disguise on here, then maybe things could better than they are at the moment.


loc22550, would you then write on there what you write on here ? Please, if you have a point, then feel free to make it, but I wish you and other would stop taking the opportunity to slag off Qatar Airways at every chance you get by replying to others post on here. I am happy, not all, but many others are. They just don't waste their time coming here to read the same few moaning.


74world, congrats on getting a job here. Hope you enjoy the 777. I was so near to that fleet LOL. Never mind, something's are a blessing in disguise.


I am happy on the 320 fleet, but then again, I am not frightened about working. Just smile, do my job and make sure I don't kill myself and that he does not kill me either. A pay rise would be welcomed though and still waiting for the one that is rumoured.


If anyone knows where there is a better job anywhere right now, then please feel free to post a link for it here. I would like to see if the sand is brighter elsewhere.


By the way, the grammar and spelling police, don't bother, I may be dyslexic and I don't care about what you think, so don't waste your time trying to tell me how to write, I can't help it. Sorry

HR is a bit of a joke when it comes to renewing your RP or multi exit permit

loc22550 26th Apr 2011 15:09

You have just been "assigned" to the 777, 74 world....yes and your point is...because Assign doesn't mean anything here.:hmm:

flyforfood1 26th Apr 2011 20:06

I was 'assigned' 777, ended up on the 330 - probably a blessing in disguise as I now have Boeing and Airbus on my licence plus wide body time. As and when my bond is up - i'll be long gone! :ok:

Doogle300 26th Apr 2011 21:56

Interview info
 
Also on the hunt for info. Not much out there.
Anyone any info will help.

Brian Cohen 3rd May 2011 17:58

Study Ace and you'll be fine for the quizzzzzz!

DXman 4th May 2011 10:04

If someone has a bond with his current airline, is this a problem with Qatar? (cf Application form)

Do you need to settle the bond prior to joining?

Brian Cohen 4th May 2011 20:08

JAA class 1 in Doha
 
Loc please don't kill me!

any chances for class 1 JAR-FCL medical in Doha. I know the Dok in Manana and in Dubai ... just wondering what are the other options in addition to do it on leave at home! thanks

The Dominican 4th May 2011 23:11

If it is possible for someone to PM me with the T&C's for a DEC position please? Just out of curiosity, thank you.

Brian Cohen 5th May 2011 07:17

Thanks KJ

can you please PM the information thanks!

Brian Cohen 5th May 2011 07:19

@Dominican
for far-east to middle-east ... getting closer to homeland? ... just pulling your leg buddy!

I'm pretty sure you did already but you can have a general good idea on QR web-page.

KOJordan 5th May 2011 11:03

Dear Captins/Officers advice/recommendation is needed
 
I'll be completing my CPL/IR (Frozen ATPL) soon with 240 hours from RJAA-Jordan.
How to get a job at QA or Emirate.
While searching in the recruitments sites I found that all asking for minimum of 1500 hours.

Any advice or any suggestion may be of help to me.

many thanks

The Dominican 5th May 2011 11:18

Thanks Brian C, I didn't realize that it was there and that it was that low! Jezz:eek:

Brian Cohen 5th May 2011 12:28

Yes com-padre ... an F/O in ANA in making more then a CPT in QR,
Plus commuting is not an options!
The sandpit can be pretty hot and you are not allowed to take your shirt off! what else...

Mow 5th May 2011 13:26

Any news about the new package ... even Rumors :ok:

loc22550 5th May 2011 14:12

Don't tell me..Mow..:

There have been "TONS " of rumors every year about new package including this year, so far none of them come true.(the latest one released by Kijangnim if i'm correct is.. "nothing" for this year!)
As said before, today i believe one thing,its sunny in Doha and its getting hot,why.. because i can SEE it with MY eyes and i FEEL it!
For the rest nobody is sitting in front of a crytal ball,even if i was i can't read through it!
So far everythink is in the hands of god..well i mean the CEO..:ooh:

Homo Ludens 5th May 2011 19:06

LOC, please, do us a favour and learn (at last!) the difference between "think" and "thing".
Please!!!
Cheers!

loc22550 6th May 2011 03:32

Homo Ludens:
yes i do mistakes..don't you??I correct it..Do you feel better..??:rolleyes:

Black Pudding 6th May 2011 10:10

English is not everyones first language

flycold 7th May 2011 12:08

hi all?

any idea about how they assign fleet for f/o?
I have flown with only b737 so far(app. 3000 hrs), so start fly with a320 is not a good idea for my career.
thanks for ur comment previously!
cheers!

Alcatraz69 7th May 2011 14:11

Homo
 
Homo,

which planet are you from ?

loc22550 7th May 2011 15:10

-Flycold..why not.???
Having A-320 rating on your licence is far from being a bad rating!.
-Alcatraz.:ok:

devilavocado 7th May 2011 20:34


Black Pudding:
The only problem I have here is flying with Captains who want to drag the aircraft in level with everything hanging out from 15 miles away, wasting fuel.

I do the same when I fly with an idiot on right hand seat.
Idiot= bad attitude or bad flying skills or bad knowledge or all of that.

Homo Ludens 7th May 2011 20:44

Alka69,
explain, please.
HL

Blacksteel7 8th May 2011 11:42

High qualified and experienced kids ... oops ... pilots
 
Kids, when you grow up you will understand the CDA isn't the QR policy. They don't care about fuel. Have you ever heard about anyone being called at the safety office due to waste fuel? while many pilots are being called there due to unstable approach. With this behave you will end up at safety office. I know you are high qualified and experienced kids ... ooops ... pilots. :E This is the reason QR chooses this criteria of burning fuel instead of unstable approach. Wake up!

thunderbird-1 8th May 2011 12:01

synergie
 
retard on the RHS, idiot in the LHS... what a great place to work :E
I understand now why they ask you all those crazy questions during the interview :hmm:
Anyway, on your shiny bus or boring, the aircraft does the CDA alone even with a retard on the RHS and an idiot on the LHS :rolleyes:

Blacksteel7 8th May 2011 13:21

Kijangnim
 
Your mind is so small that it is impossible for you to follow my thought.:mad:

red nobbed coot 8th May 2011 15:10

Blacksteel7, it's time you woke up. CDA's are in fact QR policy - a very thorough QR document can be found on the subject on the QR portal under Training Documents.

Most European airports expect you to fly CDA's going into them now days. If you don't yet know your 3 x table and haven't worked out the relationship between track miles to run versus height above the ground, I suggest you peruse the QR document mentioned above.

CDA's in my opinion have nothing to do with saving money for the company; once you get airborne it's up to you to manage what to do with the fuel in your tanks. If you are happy burning it all at 2000ft for 15 miles, then who is the one with the small brain?

As for your argument about getting called to the safety office due to unstable approaches...the reason you get called in, is if you are unstable at 1000 and continue to land (like some pilots seem to think it's fine to do.)

If we want to progress as an airline maybe a bit of professionalism in the cockpit would be a good place to start.

Brian Cohen 8th May 2011 17:51


They don't care about fuel
NOT a true statement even in the Gulf!


Especially seeing as they want to go for an IPO in 2013 expect to see a lot of other fuel saving and cost cutting procedures.
So TRUE and CDA is one good option of saving fuel and like someone said, the modern toys can plan and execute a perfect CDA on their own, without considering ATC or altitude restrictions!
Having said that, if you aren't stable on an approach (after the commit altitude = usually < 1000ft AGL) we MUST execute a GA, and ... here we have just lost the opportunity the get the golden ORYX FUEL AWARD at the end of the year. I'm just kidding about the award but you got the message! Unstable app. not follow by a GA is pretty bad picture. This was one of the reasons why TK1951 'landed' short in AMS. Lessons identified.

Mow 8th May 2011 18:12

Guys.. The thread subject is been driven away from JOINING to CDA.. May I suggest going back to it.

It is really great thread and thank you all for the information provided.

Brian Cohen 8th May 2011 18:54

yes sorry mow ... read ace and practice wwyd interview with your mother-in-law!

Blacksteel7 8th May 2011 19:19

"NOT a true statement even in the Gulf!"
 
Bundu, tosna, etc... leveled at FL 220 (from the southeast) and Sesna leveled at FL250 (from northwest). And finally "EXTRA FUEL FOR POSBL ARR CONGESTION". How can you talk about CDA. :eek:
Continuous Descent Approach starts ideally from Top of Descent. It is not from 2000' or Najma. In the Gulf the true statement is stepped approach. Halas.

loc22550 9th May 2011 04:32

-CDA is First of all a "NOISE ABATEMENT TECHNIQUE" ...(not a saving fuel technique,eventhough off course it save fuel,emissions..) and the FIRST purpose of it is to REDUCE NOISE level on arrivals and on ground.!I don't think they really care about noise here,as most of the approach is performed overhead the sea,unless they care about fish confort..
-CDA is pilot's job BUT also ATC job!(Not very efficient in a place like doha when the ATC guy/lady is overloaded,No STARS... ),slightly more efficient when they split the approach into two VHF frequencies, and the controller has more time to monitor your descent.

Blacksteel7 9th May 2011 06:42

I know this is pointless discussion.

The objective of a CDA is to reduce aircraft noise, fuel burn and emissions.

Kijangnim

CDA is a flight procedure where the vertical profile of an arrival has been optimized, not to include "step downs" or intermediate level flight operations, so that it can flown from a high altitude in "idle" engine (low power) condition until a stabilization point to touch down on the runway, i.e. Standard Terminal Arrival (STAR) with an optimized vertical profile.
Or
Continuous Descent Approach (CDA):
An optimized approach procedure where the aircraft descends continually at idle thrust from cruise to landing.


This is quite different from The low-drag or delayed-flaps approach.
Now have you learned? :ok:

thunderbird-1 9th May 2011 17:46


where the aircraft descends continually at idle thrust from cruise to landing
that's called an unstable approach :E

Why doing nice landings?? kiss landings are not mention in the SOPs, so I smash the plan each time I land :}

CDA :zzz:

loc22550 9th May 2011 18:45

A nice&good landing(From pilot's side) is not especially a kiss landing and vice&versa...thats why Kiss landing is not mentioned in SOP...:E

thunderbird-1 9th May 2011 19:49

that's why I said nice! maybe too subtle for you :ugh:
nice/good landings :zzz: :zzz:

Black Pudding 9th May 2011 21:20

This company is losing millions a year on wasting fuel

Some of the flight plan block fuel figures are based on not dragging it in for the last 15 miles, so why do it. I'll tell you why, because they are scared and worried about being unstable and having to go around or being dragged in the office for an unstable approach. A bit sad I think, but that seems to be the way it is.

We got a memo a few weeks ago about using company property and how they wanted to stop wasting money and how it had to make a better profit ? and yet the one thing that is costing them millions is the wasted fuel by those who are quite happy to descend to platform level 25 miles out and drag it in, unbelievable

loc22550 10th May 2011 06:47

Assuming an APU consumption is around 150kg/hour,and the number of A/C we do have here,a simple gesture like connnectig the GPU as soon as the A/C is at the parking stand(so we can get rid of the APU straight..fuel,noise.. at least in winter when you don't need ACU), could SAVE TONS of fuel EVERYDAY in this airline!
So why they don't do it..IF they are concerned about fuel...
Does APU cycle(maintenance..) cost more than fuel consumption at the end of the day?:confused:

Fubaliera 10th May 2011 09:45

Who cares about saving fuel, is there any incentive, no so screw them. Plus i always try to burn more than flt plan fuel.

loc22550 10th May 2011 11:45

Acgenerator2..i think its time for you to take a beer in order to cool down a little,your generator is overheating..


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