Maybe you're right. I can't be sure.
Don't personally know someone that works in QA to get such feedback.
Do you speak with experience though?
And in what sense is it bad?
I'm trying to get a job at QA so i'd like to know..

The only people that you hear are happy in QR in general are the Indians. That goes for FD or CC, maybe its a cultural thing. The people from Hong Kong like Vancouver or Japanese love Hawaii.
Doha lacks
1.Educated local population
2.Any infrastructure whatsover
3.A equal male to female ratio. Too many men
QR invests heavily in its own airline, but zero in its workforce.Any investment in its workforce is required by law.
Qr could easliy have built its own international school for its employees dependants,also could build actuall nice compounds , not the junk they live in now. Any investment they make actually benefits the airline but not the worker itself.
The only difference between Saudia Arabia and Qatar is woman can drive,not be escorted by a male ,and dont have to wear ninja turtle suites and hotels will sell booze. Oh How could I forget, theres is one liquor store in the whole country.
Unless your a GCC citizen,out of work, didnt make it at EK/EY/AA/FD/GF, or have no first generation A/C experience,and speak Hindu your as naive as I was to join. And to those that say If you dont like it leave, well thats what im trying to do, its very hard when you cant get days off to get interviews, or they require a 90day notice.

Talking about Cutting costs...?:ugh::ugh:
-Maybe they should have plan the opening of new airport accordingly..and the company would have save tons of fuel every day..!!(million of $$ are waste in bulding new Temporary terminals here in there...)
-What about the new joiners who spent 6 MONTHS here doing nothing (paid by the company,some of them went on vacation..),simply because there is not enough infrastructure here (sim) and poor planning...
Serioulsy when the company start talking about cost cutting,this make me laugh!
Unfortunatly at the end of the day, we (hard working crew as always) have to pay for all this incompetence!

Fuba is right ... but the trend seems to be positive!:O

What ever the fuel policy is...our actual airport/ATC is far from being fuel
efficient!
I do agree with you FUBA on the fact that for "some people"" its very dificult if not impossible to have 4 or 5 days off in row even when you bid for with 100 points...(for me its already my 3st or 4th unsucessful attempt in a couple of month,instead of days off you get STBY duty ...!!)unlike some lucky guys who can get it easily and enjoy a good quality of live.
And then they wonder why people complain....!!??

Any Advise
 

I work as F/O in USA on A320, could anyone tell me what are the pros and cons for working with QA and also if Emirates would be a better choice? Thank you......

Go for EK.
-Ek is probably far for being perfect..but still(compared to Q.R) condition there are much more better than in Q.R if you plan for a long term career..(profit share,pension plan,salary...).You should just compare what an EK pilot put in his pocket ater 10 years of service compared to a QR pilot..(i think without being wrong there is a factor 4 or 5 between both!).
For info after 10 years in QR...you will receive a end of service benefit of around.....70.000..U$ :cool:(50.000Euros..).(assuming 4....5 years as F/O and 5 years as CPT...)
Now just go an ask an EK pilot how much he will receive after 10 years of service with Ek...:O.....and make the comparison.
-In QR you will be put on A-320
-In EK you will go to the A-330.(no A-320).
Both of them i think have tough roster on those fleet.
-Dubai has nothing to compare with Doha or vice versa.
-Cost of live for normal stuff (Food..) is more or less the same for both place,but of course the temptation of spending your money will be higher in Dubai..as there is more think to do.
-Entering a bar/pub or a club in Dubai is a little bit more hassle free compared to Doha!
-Gas is a little bit more expensive in Dubai but you have better public transportation compared to Doha,and buying a car in Dubai is cheaper than Doha.
-Don't known about EK, but for Q.R.: school allowances barely cover the cost for one kid.(and schools are very expensive here!)

Hello There I see you are online now and would appreciate your input....I work as F/O in USA on A320, could you tell me what are the pros and cons for working with QA and also if Emirates would be a better choice? Thank you......

Thanks
 

Thanks for the info. So EK is better I agree...how about upgrade time... is 5 years the average....and could one upgrade to anything other than the equipment initially hired to fly. Also looking at FO pay at EK with three kids and a modest lifestyle any chance for saving at the end of the month? also it is not clear what would be the average compensation if one flies 85-90 hours. does flight pay and other pay adds up to about $1000 US $ in addition to salary? Thanks

Yes please fubaliera go home in your holy land where you can't find a job and stop with your racist comments about algerians or women dress etc..... if QR doesn't suit you try elsewhere if possible in a non muslim country as you seem to be bother by the way of dress of some women not to say islam.

You are really pathetic on some of your comments, completely disrespectful.

"Don't known about EK, but for Q.R.: school allowances barely cover the cost for one kid.(and schools are very expensive here!)"

Indeed! Schools are very expensive here. They got authorization to increase the fees for the next school year calendar. (most of them).
The worst is: schools are generally extremely bad here. :mad:
And it's almost impossible to find a place on a good school here in Doha.:ugh:

Hey guys,

Is anybody aware of the experience guys have been getting in on under the fast track SO program?

Anybody know the benefits and T&Cs during this period until completion of required cycles?

Assume more new hires start on A320? Or any chance of a wide-body?

If you start on A320, how do transitions to other equipment go?

Thanks for any info.

Fast track SO isn't really for 'low hour' pilots.... more so for pilots without jet time but who do have turbo prop time?

I'm sure anyone who has flown high capacity RPT turbo prop can transition over to a widebody without too many problems.

Yepp.
They do hire Cadets with no hours though.
Type rate them and bond them for 3 years.

Qatar airways visited my institute few days back
they said they will be inducting Cadets from our institute directly without any PI ,probably in may or june provided we have a Froezn ATPL..........

5 Years bond, starting after your final line check!

Any Idea how much time does it take to get a command if everything goes fine???

Did not know it was 5 years.
My mistake.

AFD

Fair enough and I agree. On that note, any idea what time frame fast track SO's can expect to spend on the a320? I am really interested in Qatar but don't want to be stuck on an a320 forever. I am not far off a320 right seat in my own country anyway.....

Quick transition to widebody however... sounds very appealing :)

The guys interviewing for the fast track have thousands of hours turboprop time most have turboprop command time. MOST airlines in the world take guys with that kind of decision making experience and put them in jets widebody or narrow its doesn't make a difference...:hmm:

I have been invited for an interview in May (FO). Has anyone been through the recruitment process as of late? I am looking for up to date information regarding all sections of the interview process. I have read this entire thread from page 1, just looking for anything more current.

Pay
 

Hi,

Can anyone give me an estimate of what a Qatar FO can expect in pay for an average month? (USD or GBP)

Thanks,
RV

Roughly ..7000+...U$/month(All inclusive:flight allowance,transportation allowance..) + accomodation.
A little bit more if you are on long haul.

Cheap 2nd-hand cars!
 

Is there any quitter who's selling is car at a reasonable prize ... find a 2nd-hand cheap car in Doha is almost impossible! PM if you like, thanks

Has Qatar started up their 787 training program already, and if so will they recruit directly into the 787 or will it be internal Qatar pilots doing difference training for the 787? Interesting concept if Qatar will hire off the street for these positions. I have heard most DEC are now going to the A-320 and not to the 777 as in the past, even with no Airbus time. Not trying to flame, simply seeking the facts. I understand Qatar has 30 firm orders for 787s and options for another 30 along with future A-350s.

“will they recruit directly into the 787 or will it be internal Qatar pilots”


Only Allah knows. In Qatar Airways everything is possible.

Captain Partzee.
 

Not true.

In QR, even Allah must ask AAB before it is approved :D

QR
 

QR has only one boss who make sure on meeting with pilots he say

" my airline ", "my cabin crew " , " my airplanes " , my airport "

Good to know its all his not from state of Qatar

What he decide thats it no one can change it he is most powerful person in Qatar Aviation for last 14 y and it will stay so untill more powerful person decide to stop it .

Quick question........ I have a 'friend' who's just joined a UAE based LCC. Things look quite good for the future at his firm. He's also just received an invitation from Qatar for an interview. Am assuming he'd get the 777 as he's already Boeing. Any thoughts whether he should even waste his time going to interview or not? 777 is a nice place (though there's no guarantees that he'll get that!)

yes i will get the revised salary on the 31st of april with back pay from 1997

sorry no b777
 

sorry british guy, no guarantee of b777 with boeing experience as last year an intake of experienced b767/b737 guys (even a tre) were promised b777 at interview, started ground school and then the day they were due in b777 sim at LGW were told sorry your now on A320.

so take promises at interview with a pinch of salt and tell your friend stay at his LCC for an easy life.

also there are two a320's parked up due to lack of crew - denied by management

British Guy,

If your mate comes to QR then at least he'll get an A320 rating out of it. He's not going to get that at FD. Dubai is a lot more expensive to live than Doha as well. Life on the A320 at QR isn't bad compared to LCC work. Having done both, I'm of the opinion QR A320 Fleet is better than LCC life, especially in the ME. Plus at QR there's the possibility of a fleet transfer later down the line. He's not going to get that at FD.

bonernow
 

"I'm of the opinion QR A320 Fleet is better than LCC life, especially in the ME. Plus at QR there's the possibility of a fleet transfer later down the line. He's not going to get that at FD"

It's my guess. You work at the recruitment team or you are nuts.
If you are in the recruitment team, it's a nice tactic. Maybe someone will fall for the trick.:}
But if you aren't. You should persuade your friends to stay away from QR. Specially from the A320 fleet. :=

Many are pissed off with coming to this thread only to read negative post from people who are not clever enough to do something about their predicament here in Doha. If you don't like it that much, then they should just leave instead of going on about it. You're not going to change anything here by posting crap on pprune.


British Guy


Tell your mate, if he comes to Doha, don't believe anything he is told at the interview regarding fleet as it can change at the drop of a hat.

He would be much better coming here and getting an Airbus rating, and then should he decide to leave the Middle East it will stand him in good stead of future recruitment possibilities. Being here at Qatar, you also have the potential to move onto different fleets in the future.


I am 320 fleet and yes the rosters are busy and lots of night flying. If he does not want to do that, then maybe a pilots job is not for him. The aircraft here are clean and well looked after. You're paid on time every month and little chance of being made redundant. You may get sacked for cocking up, but tell me where you would not. Lot's of negative comments on here, but those that are happy can't be arsed coming here and reading the crap from those that do nothing but moan. It's simple, if you don't like it, leave, its his train set.


Do your job, fly the plane, go home and relax.


When it gets to the point your that unhappy and don't enjoy what you are doing, then its simple....you leave! It wont do you any favours to stay.


Many are ok and happy here, but you won't hear much of that as they can't be arsed to read half the crap that gets posted.

People also post on here about management. I am not interested. I go to work, print my paperwork off and fly the aircraft without breaking the law or killing myself or anyone else. Also make sure the guy sat next to me is not going to kill me or anyone else. After that, I go home and if I am off for a few days, and get some beers drank. How hard can it be. Why do people go on as if its the worst place to work.

Good post Black Pudding.

Nice to read something positive.

Guys,

With all due respect. If you just do your job and follow the rules and go home after a flight and relax...Then your job is done pretty much. Lets all go back to enjoying flying.

Black pudding..
Telling that most of the people are happy (especially on 320), i think this is really crap.If you are not convinced ..have a chat with the 320 F.M,he is flooded with complains...
I'll come back to you as soon as i'm flying with somebody Happy on the 320 fleet,might take a while..
Enjoy your 320 roster&lifestyle...:ugh:

Guys, QR does not promise a fleet at the interview. I have no idea how they decide, in my case I was current on the Airbus.

LOC22550, I have finally received my results, we'll catch up in DOH mate.........I've been assigned on the 777 fleet. :ok:

Also notice how it's the same bunch of about 10 guys who are always complaining.... :ugh:

These guys probably cannot get jobs anywhere else with their disgruntle attitudes and hence the reason that some of them have been here for almost 10 years, if not more.

Job satisfaction should be the most important thing for everybody. I cannot see myself being so miserable and continuing doing it day in day out. Just a question to all the people who are complaining... Why are you still here? Have you spoken to anyone about it rather than posting your frustrations on PPRuNe?

wjp

Some guys think that giving a bad info regarding QA will prevent good professionals from coming here.That will increase their chances for fleet transfer,upgrade or so.