Screening
 

1 Written Test : Study Ace Tech Book
2 Interview : Any type of HR, CRM, Tech questions
3 SIM : A330 raw data

Over all very straight forward. Just be yourself.
Good Luck!:)

Thanks Krunch

the personal opinion you are talking about is the personal opinion of whoever is nicely providing these warning or the personal opinion of the poor FOs receiving these type of awards?

... hoping to open a discussion coming from both side ...

... and what happened when you are already a Cap and you get a warning ...

Thanks JJ330!

it can be very easy NONo to get this warning letter...
Not wearing your hat not closing your jacket and if the Ceo see you like thats it...
Just to give a taste of the mentality here.
And as said above..there is no sign of improvement so far..as unfortunately the CEO hasn't realised yet the damage he has done for the last decade,when acting on such a way toward crew.

QR taking over 40% of TAP... that's an step closer towards Europe!

IF he was so bad, he would have been replaced sometime during that ten year period.
That he has not been, clearly indicates he is doing something right, contrary to some malcontent flight crew 'opinions'.:rolleyes:

Having said this, I do personally know the original financial controller of the company, and he did say that the CEO was...'strange.'

411A your post is pathetic...especially when it comes from someone who doesn't even work for QR.

hey guys, do you know how long they take to call for an interview?? I fly the 737 and i have the right requirements. I applied few months ago but not answer yet:ugh:

Eventhough money is not everything, a Pay rise is THE LEAST we deserve,after being press like lemon,flying like crazy those Sh:mad:t &non-sense roster(A-320 )Duty time twice the flight time,being denied most of our requests (days off...)..whats next....??

I'm a little worried when i see (junior)colleagues i flow with recently who are ready to go home or elsewhere or even ready to jumpship....(and more money will not change their mind believe me!)
Is the little thiny light i can see at the end of the tunnel the day light or an opposite traffic..??:bored:

I wish i could be optimistic like you:ok:

Jar Atpl N Jaa Atpl
 

Hello everyone,
I am new to this forum n I am just going to start with my training in US n I have opted for a full time course that offers JAA frozen ATPL at the end of one year period.Well the thing I wanted to ask is the current requirements for QA S/O,if my knowledge is true they are asking for CPL with JAR frozen ATPL,n a basic question that if JAR ATPL and JAA ATPL are they both the same thing or not?
All replies will be appreciated,thank you!

JAR ATPL and JAA ATPL are the same thing. Actually the correct is JAR ATPL. JAA is the authority (Joint Aviation Authority) like FAA in the US.
You can visit qatarairways.com - carrers and learn everything you need about minimum requirements... Good Luck!

Hi, Just been offered DEC 320 fleet. Would welcome any info re quality of life and duty hours and allowances on top of basic salary. Routes that the 320 operates and nightstops? What is the chance of moving onto the 330 fleet and if so timescale? Many thanks

Jamieboy:
A-320 roster is the most UNFAIR & TIRING & UNDERPAID one for the Duty we do perform!
-Minimum Days off (8..9/month)
-Most of the request Denied (days off...), if you request days off, you might get stby duty instead..
-You roster sometime looks like a mess :NO general rules at all: flight at night..in the morning in the evening... 1 days off here ..2 days off there...7 days of duty in a row sometime...
-85 hours/month duty..150H+(you get paid for the schedule block time not the duty time: 33U$/hours).
-Totally unfair: Most of the training flights happen between 7 am and midnight : the time frame between midnight and 7 am seems to be a not Fly time for training as well a the airspace beyond Muscat (indian FIR seems to be a no-fly zone for them!)
-Layover 320: NBO-DAR-MLE-TXL-BUD-VIE-BCN-DME :those are the good one(and with the highest meal allowance) dedicated to "office" people and training captain most of the time..
Other than that ;KTM-COK-CLC-MAA-DEL-TRV-BLR-HYD dedicated to regular pilots.(always have your mosquito repellant spray in your suitcase)
-Fleet transfer (if you haven't been blacklisted by the CEO for any stupid silly reason)...4..5 years at least.
-IMHO CPT 320 is the worse (roster...)even compared to F/O.
Hope i didn't brake down your motivation to join the QR 320 fleet as CPT.

Many thanks Loc for your honest reply. I was wondering if I PM you I could give you my e-mail address and have a chat.

loc22550

Thanks for your detailed post, I wonder from where i get 320 TR cds...if you know a website that will do..

One more point: You dont get paid for duty hours ? Cause cabin crew does ..

Cheers !

I doubt the Cabin get paid for the Duty time...what they do have (F.D. don't have anymore) is the overtime payment.

I thought it a good idea to plunge in with some of my experiences to date with QR., maybe a mistake but here goes.

I joined just over one year ago as a non rated DEC on the 320 so I am bonded for 3yrs. Some of the more recent joiners are only bonded for 2yrs.

The initial recruitment and joining process is all very well organised and in my case, from application to job offer was two months with all documentation completed. Communication with HR was quite poor with many questions sent by e-mail left un-answered.

On arrival in Doha, once again, the organisation was firstclass. All your immigration paperwork is done by Al Maha meet and greet service and you will be taken to your allocated accomodation. Unfortunately you won't know where you are staying until point of arrival ( I had to ask the driver where he was taking me! ). Generally it will be either Ain Khaled Gate or Holiday Villas but not always. Capts get a four bed villa, F/O's an apartment. The villa allocated to me is fine, not the most modern but spacious, clean and everything works. The facilities at AKG are good. Driving from AKG to the airport takes between 20mins and an hour depending on traffic ie. how many crashes there have been.

The initial part of the training including company introductions, medicals, paperwork and ground-school classes is well organised and gives the candidate a real sense that they are joining a world class airline. There are frustrations at this stage but none are the fault of the company and are created when dealing with the bureaucracy over here. There is lots of free time at this stage so don't waste it, start to read the manuals.

Aircraft specific training is all CBT and is very intense with fixed based sim (MFTD) being rostered on the same day as CBT. Most of the MFTD training is conducted by senior F/O's who are all very competent.

The 'proper' sim training will follow soon after and is also intense. You will also be in the box at all sorts of silly times! It really is a 24hr airline. My experience in the sim was mostly very good although there are some horror-stories about training standards. My only comment re this stage of the training is that there is a lack of common standards both in the sim and MFTD. You will be taught one method of operation and the following day, with a different instructor, will be told something totally different. The SOP manuals don't help either as they can be very ambiguous.

Line training is very interesting and enjoyable but with the same caveat.

Then comes the real flying.

Nearly all the 320 fleet is new, or almost new and the engineering and maintenance standards are excellent. The current airport is over crowded and you will often experience arrival or departure delays. The routes are very interesting and each flight is a minor challenge. If you haven't flown in this part of the world before, it will be a real eye opener.

As loc22550 has previously stated the 320 rosters are appalling. 85 to 90 hrs per month flying out of 170 hrs duty, largely night Indias. The best routes and flying times seem to be reserved for training and who can blame the TRIs. You will get min days off some of which will be downroute. STBY's are rostered but don't expect to keep them. There is a roster bidding system but most people agree that it is very poor due to being 'interfered' with. It is clear that we are short of crew on the 320 and stories abound that recruitment is just keeping pace with the current level of leavers but not the continuing fleet expansion.

In summary you come here to work, take the money and leave when you've had enough. There are some here that have been in QR for many years but they are a minority.

With hind sight, would I do it again?............probably:)

PL

Would I do it again? no.

I would apply to Etihad or Emirates. Is the grass greener? prob not. But its sure worth the risk! How could your roster be any worse?

To anyone applying or thinking of applying... there are hundreds of 320 jobs out there. This one should not be your first choice.. by far!

Paper Lad thanks for your post.
Now ... as far as ...
... that's open the big emotional conversation on ...
... how much enough is enough...
... how much QR is an airlines where you can run a career in it (meaning seniority/annual increments, solid 401k or retirement plan/benefits now that QR is going public, etc..)...
... how much you are 'poisoned by compromise'!

loc22550,

Is the 33usd per hour up and above the basic sal of 9500usd?

For the QR guys who are unhappy, can't you apply with EK or Saudi?

I've heard they were looking for people.

QR
 

Inner,

Do the maths ! QR has around 1600 Pilots, only few (the same ones) are on Prune complaining about the company, what does it say about the all outfit????

Furthermore, if life is so miserable at QR they should pack their **** and leave ! :ok:

Yes 1600 pilots but they consist of


1.Algerians,Lybians,Tunisians,Sudanese,Indians etc etc who cant go anywhere else:ugh:

2. non typed with bonds or no EFIS/Glass time:cool:


3.People with loans and cant leave:E(honest pilots)


4.Those who didnt make it at EY or EK:=:=(dont say its the same, its not)

5.THose stupid enough to :{ purchase a flat

QR
 

If I understand your reply correctly Fubaliera, you must be in one of the 5 group of people you've mentioned..... :sad:

Never compare EY/EK to QR, QR is a wannabe EK Flaps full retard

As far as jumping ship. let me rephrase, honest pilots with a bond or loan
You must be one off the guys who thinks the Ain kahlid concentration camp is nice and good for the family
Or you must be one of the guys that compare Doha to Miami.
Trust me nobody is happy, and they would have 320 grounded if it wasnt for fleet transfer carrot dinging around your face.
.On my 1.post if forgot to mention all the Kingfisher,Jetairways,Air India,Indians who got the 330/777, they see Doha as the Japanese see Honolulu.
.

Choices
 

Hey Guys,

I have just received an offer through from QR for the B777! First off I thought all new guys were on the Bus, do you think this could be bait and then they will change me onto the Bus once I'm out there (as I've heard happened to a load of TOM guys!).

I've also been offered the B777 with EK, I was going to ask whether QR was a better choice but then I read the previous posts! I have to say that I did prefer Doha, it seemed a more relaxed place, but EK as a company was really impressive!!

Any thoughts are welcome!!

G

74world....quotes:
"they should Pack their **** (as you said) and leave!"
Well At least some people who complain(i would say who rise true issues) seems to be more polite and educated compared to you...

Gottofly:
9500U$ includes flight allowance as well, But Excludes housing allowance.

Flapsfullretard: what clause in your contract are you talking about?? What does it say?

Gorillit ;if you have the choice..GO FOR EK!

-Qatar Airways has promised a lot of new joiners the 777 as well...and finally they end up on.. 320.(don't believe any promises made by Q.R.!)
-Money wise (profit share,bonus,pension) and career wise(especially 777),EK(eventhough probably far from being perfect..) is still better IMHO compared ...to QR.

..Qatar is better for families IF (and there is always the big IF!!) your family can take Doha..wich is not 100% guaranteed..pilots today are still leaving Q.R. and doha because of family issue...(don't known if the same happens in Dubai and EK).Those thinks are personnal issues.
Maybe worth to spend a few days in Dubai and Doha with your family if you can..and let them compare..and if it doesn't matter for them(Doha or Dubai)..GO for EK!

Flapafullretard: can you say what the clause in the Qr contract says?

Tx

All I will say is that... my eleven months in Qatar were the worst-ever that I've ever spent in any other country on planet Earth! I was within the flight-ops arena, so I cannot comment upon pilot positions. However, the Qatar infrastructure i.e. eating-out in the evening, would mean that it would take an hour or so to reach a restaurant... worse still was the return journey... one and a half hours to exit the car park and into the traffic and a further hour to reach "home".

Shopping... reasonable quality in the mega-stores; however, just getting to the Mall (and trying to park) is a nightmare.

A trip to a hotel for a beer... two-hours to get from the airport area to the Intercontinental "Irish Bar" (three-miles) by taxi... hopeless (especially if there's a footy match at the stadium).

Airline Management... a joke!

Pilot Training standards... what standards would those be? Get the aeroplane off the ground; Autopilot "engaged"... disengage after "roll-out".

Handling skills = nil

Experience = nil

Career = nil

Bonus = nil

End of contract gratuity = if you've been a "good boy" = reasonable

End of contract gratuity if you've reneged upon any insignificant part of your contract = zero

Here's the major rub of discontent = being held "prisoner" in a country where you cannot gain an exit permit without the permision of your employer.

Hre's a "top-tip"... if you're leaving Qatar; ensure that you gain a "Police Certificate" of clearance from "criminal activity" before you leave. Not that you could leave without the Ministry of Internal Affairs providing an approval for you to do so... your new UK job could depend upon such a certificate!

My experience of Qatar... it was a bad choice in the first place!

Take care y'all

TCF

QR
 

LOC22550,
I meant what I said: "unhappy people should leave" instead of living a miserable life.
Come on guys you know that it doesn't matter which airline you work for in the Middle East(EK,QR,EY..etc) it will be more or less be the same deal:

1-you will ALWAYS be an expat and won't fit in the culture
2-get an OK salary
3-won't have any GOOD benefits at the end (pension) or ANY at all
4- work your ass off
5-won't have any rights what so ever

Haven't you received the terms and conditions in writing before joining????? Sure you did...so you knew what you were getting into........Now, if the terms and conditions do change during your employment and you don't like them anymore, resign and go somewhere else !!!!:cool:
I also find ironic guys saying on this forum: "I've been working for QR for 10 years, but don't come"..... :ok:

The Famous "take it or leave it" politic has never solved any problems so far..

To apply as F/O you need 1000h on jet. Does it have to be airline time or is corporate time also accepted?

thx

Thank you!
 

Cheers for your help guys, I appreciate the time you have taken to reply to my post.

Think I will go for EK as many of you have suggested!

All the best,

G

Can someone give me an answer on the 1000-hour requirement thing?

Is 1000 jet in corporate business also ok?

Honestly, I don't think so, it says 1000 hours airline time. I wait to be corrected....