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That's a very fair comment there A300 man.
I am the same. I know lots of people who had thier lives ruined and there are still many there who are doing their utmost to keep QR up there!
Sadly AAB does not realise this!
I am the same. I know lots of people who had thier lives ruined and there are still many there who are doing their utmost to keep QR up there!
Sadly AAB does not realise this!
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Fill me in...
how exactly did an airline ruin someones life...that seems like a bit of and exageration, don't you think.... to me it seems like a pretty sound outfit in comparision to most of the shoty outfits i have been with in the past...
strange bit of politics and BS.. but nothing that can't be dealt with..
with the right approch that is..
I still LOVE this job...
"nothing but beach baby"
strange bit of politics and BS.. but nothing that can't be dealt with..
with the right approch that is..
I still LOVE this job...
"nothing but beach baby"
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Capt Krunch...I like your style! But if you see the list of experienced, good people that have left this airline because, frankly, you cant change anything as many many others have tried and ultimately failed. If you can change you'd win a lot of admiration of your fellow colleagues, but I suspect you can't.
Having worked in the airline a fair time now, I know most of the threads here are more or less right but the problem is that in addition to The Dwarf, you also have idiots like xxxxxxxxx who really have no clue what he's doing (spend 2 mins in his company and you'll see what i mean, its actually embarrassing) and xxxxxxxxx who allegedly recruits and whose favourite answer to any question is "No". These two are the major root of many of the problems...recruitment & expansion...their responsibilities. The Dwarf listens to them and his many spies so A300Man was right saying that no management can make decisions without his authority and with a spy in almost every department, it doesnt make them inclined to do so.
My advise is take what you can while you can but don't make QR a serious career move. Unlike u i've been with better outfits and this heap of **** really show them selves up for what they are very quickly.
I'm sorry guy, but I can't let you snipe away at named officials from your position of anonymity. This is not a criticism of the content of your post but I am obliged to afford a level of protection to the persons you elected to make specific reference to. 4HP
Having worked in the airline a fair time now, I know most of the threads here are more or less right but the problem is that in addition to The Dwarf, you also have idiots like xxxxxxxxx who really have no clue what he's doing (spend 2 mins in his company and you'll see what i mean, its actually embarrassing) and xxxxxxxxx who allegedly recruits and whose favourite answer to any question is "No". These two are the major root of many of the problems...recruitment & expansion...their responsibilities. The Dwarf listens to them and his many spies so A300Man was right saying that no management can make decisions without his authority and with a spy in almost every department, it doesnt make them inclined to do so.
My advise is take what you can while you can but don't make QR a serious career move. Unlike u i've been with better outfits and this heap of **** really show them selves up for what they are very quickly.
I'm sorry guy, but I can't let you snipe away at named officials from your position of anonymity. This is not a criticism of the content of your post but I am obliged to afford a level of protection to the persons you elected to make specific reference to. 4HP
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Capt Krunch,
I do not know where you have been lately but you certinly have not been working for QR!!! Or you must have been sleeping...
They do ruin peoples lives because most people do come here with a strong and solid career move in theit heads! They bring their families over and they plan to stay here for a long time. If then you get fired because you wear the wrong kind of beard
(this just happend last week, a captain was ordered to shave by the dept chief pilot because he was wearing side beards and a goatee, he could not accept this so he left!!!!) you can start to think that these things ruin peoples lives!!!
It is sad but true.....at QR they do not give jack**** for your personal live.....
4HP.....I can understand why you deleted names but dont you thinkl its about time they are being made public? I mean, those guy are high up in the mnagement so they have become more or less public figures anyway. They are virtually unvulnerable as well, we arent! And what was being said here about them is absolutely true so why hiding it???
I do not know where you have been lately but you certinly have not been working for QR!!! Or you must have been sleeping...
They do ruin peoples lives because most people do come here with a strong and solid career move in theit heads! They bring their families over and they plan to stay here for a long time. If then you get fired because you wear the wrong kind of beard
(this just happend last week, a captain was ordered to shave by the dept chief pilot because he was wearing side beards and a goatee, he could not accept this so he left!!!!) you can start to think that these things ruin peoples lives!!!It is sad but true.....at QR they do not give jack**** for your personal live.....
4HP.....I can understand why you deleted names but dont you thinkl its about time they are being made public? I mean, those guy are high up in the mnagement so they have become more or less public figures anyway. They are virtually unvulnerable as well, we arent! And what was being said here about them is absolutely true so why hiding it???
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My ,, my,, Qatari515.. take it easy there dude..
yes i do work here and no I don't get that much sleep.. but thank you for your concern about my well being...
well as far as i have known.. most major carriers and Flag Carriers have a clean cut policy.. so asking a guy to clean it up a bit is far from a life ruining experience....(I too have abit of a hairy beek)... if the boss asks you to do something,, well theres not much you can say...maybe reason with him a bit.....or.. do it or leave would be the only other 2 options.. and if you pick the latter and you ruin your life in the process,, i can hardly see that as being the companys fault..
I choose to do what they want ,, when they want and how they want.. with a big smile and a bright.. "yes Sir"..after all i work for them,, they dont work for me.. and everyone knows that if you dont like it we are all free to leave,, and if we choose not to leave then we also have to be responsable for our own decisions and actions as a result....
and if one day like many other days.. i once again find myself on the bread line... well i can only blame myself for not makeing good decisions or not keeping my ear to the ground and seeing it comming... i know from experience it's not a nice feeling to have the carpet pulled out from under you... but if you want to have that warm fuzzy feeling.. they you should be at home with mama.. and not out playing with big boy toys...
life it to short for all this pissing around,, and in the end you'll wonder why you bothered in the first place..
you all know what mamma said about playing with fire.... one day your gonna get burned..
better off just to leave well enough alone..
yes i do work here and no I don't get that much sleep.. but thank you for your concern about my well being...
well as far as i have known.. most major carriers and Flag Carriers have a clean cut policy.. so asking a guy to clean it up a bit is far from a life ruining experience....(I too have abit of a hairy beek)... if the boss asks you to do something,, well theres not much you can say...maybe reason with him a bit.....or.. do it or leave would be the only other 2 options.. and if you pick the latter and you ruin your life in the process,, i can hardly see that as being the companys fault..
I choose to do what they want ,, when they want and how they want.. with a big smile and a bright.. "yes Sir"..after all i work for them,, they dont work for me.. and everyone knows that if you dont like it we are all free to leave,, and if we choose not to leave then we also have to be responsable for our own decisions and actions as a result....
and if one day like many other days.. i once again find myself on the bread line... well i can only blame myself for not makeing good decisions or not keeping my ear to the ground and seeing it comming... i know from experience it's not a nice feeling to have the carpet pulled out from under you... but if you want to have that warm fuzzy feeling.. they you should be at home with mama.. and not out playing with big boy toys...
life it to short for all this pissing around,, and in the end you'll wonder why you bothered in the first place..
you all know what mamma said about playing with fire.... one day your gonna get burned..
better off just to leave well enough alone..
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Interesting thread.
The answer to the question is a qualified "Yes".
Providing:
1. AAB steps aside. His style of management is totally unsuited to the size of company that QR has now become.
2. A competent senior management team is recruited to replace the "yes men" such as MF. That will only happen when a new CEO is in place. Everyone in the industry now knows how impossible AAB is to work for and no talented managers would leave existing jobs to move to QR at present.
The ALM guy, Stephen Vella has now moved with his team to a new company, Prime Aviation whose biggest customer is QR. They handle all aircraft acquisitions and undertake all commercial planning. Amazing, but the airline does not have its own senior commercial planning team.
ekatehtnohsabuD ... yes, I'd heard that too.
The answer to the question is a qualified "Yes".
Providing:
1. AAB steps aside. His style of management is totally unsuited to the size of company that QR has now become.
2. A competent senior management team is recruited to replace the "yes men" such as MF. That will only happen when a new CEO is in place. Everyone in the industry now knows how impossible AAB is to work for and no talented managers would leave existing jobs to move to QR at present.
The ALM guy, Stephen Vella has now moved with his team to a new company, Prime Aviation whose biggest customer is QR. They handle all aircraft acquisitions and undertake all commercial planning. Amazing, but the airline does not have its own senior commercial planning team.
ekatehtnohsabuD ... yes, I'd heard that too.
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Capt Krunch,
So just because they pay you you are ready to accept whatever? Hat on while you go to take a leak in the aircraft? No more OJ, expresso, meals etc just because......, jacket on untill 15 april no mather the temperatures outside,
Didnt your mama tell you that you do not have to jump just because others before did so?
Any way I have a new one for you. My FO told me last week a new rule was comming......very soon you will not be allowed anymore to take family on a trip you are operating on! Not as ID90 nor as full paying passenger!
Just tell me where the logic in that rule is?And why should you accept that one?
This guy was looking neat and clean and apparently he had been flying like that for over 10 years in his previous company! I saw him and there was nothing I could say regarding his looks! Besides that they hired him looking like that! And if they want to invent a clean look now at QR then they should impliment that rule for everybody, including some of he mullahs flying here!
Qatar airways managment......if assholes could fly, that place would be an airport!
So just because they pay you you are ready to accept whatever? Hat on while you go to take a leak in the aircraft? No more OJ, expresso, meals etc just because......, jacket on untill 15 april no mather the temperatures outside,
Didnt your mama tell you that you do not have to jump just because others before did so?
Any way I have a new one for you. My FO told me last week a new rule was comming......very soon you will not be allowed anymore to take family on a trip you are operating on! Not as ID90 nor as full paying passenger!
Just tell me where the logic in that rule is?And why should you accept that one?
This guy was looking neat and clean and apparently he had been flying like that for over 10 years in his previous company! I saw him and there was nothing I could say regarding his looks! Besides that they hired him looking like that! And if they want to invent a clean look now at QR then they should impliment that rule for everybody, including some of he mullahs flying here!
Qatar airways managment......if assholes could fly, that place would be an airport!
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Seems like a continuing case of de ja vu here. In essence until the current management ethics are revised there would appear to be every likelyhood of a continued high turnover of staff and management but there must come a point where quality of available candidates starts to deminish and standards become difficult to maintain.
Given the very high turnover of senior/general management and the increasing bulk of the company along with distractions into catering/airport operations etc. it can only be a matter of time until we witness some form of implosion.
I agree with the likes of 515 and it will be a great shame if the whims of an individual jepordise what could be a great company.
With regards to the statements by C K I feel it's only a matter of time until the rose tinted specs wear out or he starts to be subjected to the continual wearing down process that has caused many to jump ship or turned others into paranoid jibbering yes men.
Final point, I don't think Stehen Vella has taken "his team" with him, if you look at the ALM Website the other two original directors are still there with the former commercial director taking up the position of MD.
Given the very high turnover of senior/general management and the increasing bulk of the company along with distractions into catering/airport operations etc. it can only be a matter of time until we witness some form of implosion.
I agree with the likes of 515 and it will be a great shame if the whims of an individual jepordise what could be a great company.
With regards to the statements by C K I feel it's only a matter of time until the rose tinted specs wear out or he starts to be subjected to the continual wearing down process that has caused many to jump ship or turned others into paranoid jibbering yes men.
Final point, I don't think Stehen Vella has taken "his team" with him, if you look at the ALM Website the other two original directors are still there with the former commercial director taking up the position of MD.
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Qatari515, I think you'll find that rule about family on duty trips came out in a circular about 2 months ago although I don't recall it mentioning crew directly but I guess it refers to all of us.
Swede basher - you are right standards are already difficult to maintain and getting worse with people like MF & PB (I'll abbreviate them this time!) seemingly taking a lot of what can loosely be termed as decisions. The whole thing is centred around the dwarf and whether he will change his style. I've been in the industry a lot time and I really cannot believe some of the things I've seen here...not innovative firsts like a lot of what EK did in the early days...purely uninformed, poor decisions based mostly on whims (I have firm evidence of this on numerous occasions). You might be interested to know theres no corporate strategy...not my opinion but actual fact.
Swede basher - you are right standards are already difficult to maintain and getting worse with people like MF & PB (I'll abbreviate them this time!) seemingly taking a lot of what can loosely be termed as decisions. The whole thing is centred around the dwarf and whether he will change his style. I've been in the industry a lot time and I really cannot believe some of the things I've seen here...not innovative firsts like a lot of what EK did in the early days...purely uninformed, poor decisions based mostly on whims (I have firm evidence of this on numerous occasions). You might be interested to know theres no corporate strategy...not my opinion but actual fact.
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In answer to your question Captain Krunch, i know several members of QR staff (crew and management) who have moved out to Qatar and joined the airline with the promise of lots of things.
In many cases, some individuals have sold up homes in home country to start their new lives in Qatar, and some have bought cars and homes and other home comforts that are all perfectly normal facets of normal life.
Some have taken out loans, etc, and have suddenly - for no apparent reason or with little justification - been terminated and told to leave the country within 48hours. How can anyone feasibly do that?
That is what i meant when I stated that I have friends who's lives have been ruined by a strange management policy.
However, I re-iterate my comments made above. The company is my preferred carrier and WILL go places if there is reasonable degree of authority and autonomy given to the managers.
Deja-vu, yes indeed. But all true, sadly.
Good luck to all the QR boys and girls who daily put in extreme effort.
In many cases, some individuals have sold up homes in home country to start their new lives in Qatar, and some have bought cars and homes and other home comforts that are all perfectly normal facets of normal life.
Some have taken out loans, etc, and have suddenly - for no apparent reason or with little justification - been terminated and told to leave the country within 48hours. How can anyone feasibly do that?
That is what i meant when I stated that I have friends who's lives have been ruined by a strange management policy.
However, I re-iterate my comments made above. The company is my preferred carrier and WILL go places if there is reasonable degree of authority and autonomy given to the managers.
Deja-vu, yes indeed. But all true, sadly.
Good luck to all the QR boys and girls who daily put in extreme effort.
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Again spot on A300 man!
Yep, some of my friends are still there going through this regime.
One or two I know for a fact were given their marching orders for no reason or on one occasion hearsay. Mr SK was one minute speaking to the crew member concerned offering full support then the next day accused the crew member of misconduct!!!??
Capt K...the rules are ridiculous and unlike any other airline I have worked for. There is NO compassion and no thought for the staff!
D'you think if AAB was given 48 hours to leave his post he would? No way!
Yep, some of my friends are still there going through this regime.
One or two I know for a fact were given their marching orders for no reason or on one occasion hearsay. Mr SK was one minute speaking to the crew member concerned offering full support then the next day accused the crew member of misconduct!!!??
Capt K...the rules are ridiculous and unlike any other airline I have worked for. There is NO compassion and no thought for the staff!
D'you think if AAB was given 48 hours to leave his post he would? No way!
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A300 Man! I would love to share your optimism but I'm a realist who lives in the real world. Yes QR do have a chance of going places and doing something special but as of the 18 months I've been here they've missed the boat virtually everytime. Of course accuse me of being a cynic or pessimist or whatever but if it really was ok then I would say. But for me its not...I'll get out when its right for me.
I've worked for good and some not so good outfits...but QR are definately at the lower end of my scale, if not the bottom. Mostly for their sheer lack of respect for anybody who works for them. The locals appear to think they have the skills to take over all of the senior jobs but they clearly don't. I've been involved in the ME for a long while now (pre QR) and its not unique to QR but if only they (Mostly AAB) had the honesty and the conviction to put qualified people in the key jobs and not surround themselves with Yes men they may have a chance of heading in the right direction.
Your thread:
"However, I re-iterate my comments made above. The company is my preferred carrier and WILL go places if there is reasonable degree of authority and autonomy given to the managers"
The most important word here is "IF". So far on the majority of occasions "IF" has not turned into "WHEN". You know it. I know it.
I've worked for good and some not so good outfits...but QR are definately at the lower end of my scale, if not the bottom. Mostly for their sheer lack of respect for anybody who works for them. The locals appear to think they have the skills to take over all of the senior jobs but they clearly don't. I've been involved in the ME for a long while now (pre QR) and its not unique to QR but if only they (Mostly AAB) had the honesty and the conviction to put qualified people in the key jobs and not surround themselves with Yes men they may have a chance of heading in the right direction.
Your thread:
"However, I re-iterate my comments made above. The company is my preferred carrier and WILL go places if there is reasonable degree of authority and autonomy given to the managers"
The most important word here is "IF". So far on the majority of occasions "IF" has not turned into "WHEN". You know it. I know it.
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I must admit to having a high degree of optimism about QR, although my level of optimism used to be muc higher.
You are correct on the "yes men" theory - the Company is so full of them, and as I stated before, that means that management credibility is dimished somewhat as a consequence.
There are a couple of really good guys amongst the QR management team, and as far as I can recall, only one guy who has survived longer than most. This guy is, surprisingly, NOT a yes man, and will speak out as he feels necessary on issues.
Your comments about the Company's size now reaching such a level that AAB cannot possibly maintain his high level of "interference" in all issues, is perfectly true. Someone somewhere needs to tell the guy that he must approach differently and allow his appointed board to do their jobs without need for approval on every issue.
But who?
On the DOH-LHR sector a few days ago, there were some instances where the product and service were starting to display a few signs of being shoddy and mediocre. Not what I expect from QR. Inexperienced crew at the front end who didn't have a clue what they were doing.
Sad.
You are correct on the "yes men" theory - the Company is so full of them, and as I stated before, that means that management credibility is dimished somewhat as a consequence.
There are a couple of really good guys amongst the QR management team, and as far as I can recall, only one guy who has survived longer than most. This guy is, surprisingly, NOT a yes man, and will speak out as he feels necessary on issues.
Your comments about the Company's size now reaching such a level that AAB cannot possibly maintain his high level of "interference" in all issues, is perfectly true. Someone somewhere needs to tell the guy that he must approach differently and allow his appointed board to do their jobs without need for approval on every issue.
But who?
On the DOH-LHR sector a few days ago, there were some instances where the product and service were starting to display a few signs of being shoddy and mediocre. Not what I expect from QR. Inexperienced crew at the front end who didn't have a clue what they were doing.
Sad.
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Hey Guys,
I'm just wandering, when I started browsing through these forums in June/July last year, I read some good but mostly negative comments about the practices at QR.
Now, 9 or 10 months since, would you say anything has changed. For the good, for the worse or have things relatively stayed the same?
Obviously I would have to experience the practices at QR first hand, but why do some feel so optimistic about the airline and some feel so negative? There must be some reason for this but at the end of the day, you all work under the same management. Why such conflicting views?
Cheers for any replies,
DB
I'm just wandering, when I started browsing through these forums in June/July last year, I read some good but mostly negative comments about the practices at QR.
Now, 9 or 10 months since, would you say anything has changed. For the good, for the worse or have things relatively stayed the same?
Obviously I would have to experience the practices at QR first hand, but why do some feel so optimistic about the airline and some feel so negative? There must be some reason for this but at the end of the day, you all work under the same management. Why such conflicting views?
Cheers for any replies,
DB
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Conflicting reviews maybe, but I am sure we all agree on one thing...QR would function better without AAB!
Yes! He has done a lot for the airline, but completely demoralises the staff, the cabin crew in particular.
As previously mentioned by A300 man, GC, Taba and others...well look back and read for yourself!
This is no reflection on the hardworking people at QR and Qatar as a country.
Yes! He has done a lot for the airline, but completely demoralises the staff, the cabin crew in particular.
As previously mentioned by A300 man, GC, Taba and others...well look back and read for yourself!
This is no reflection on the hardworking people at QR and Qatar as a country.
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I am not suprised with the "down hill" Qatar airways is now moving towards,on service aspect.
I have been in the company for a little longer and seen how irritating the way decisions are being made and staff are being treated.
A simple fact: Look at the promotions at Qatar airways.right candidate does not get the right possition.inexperienced staff are in high ranks within the company,pushing the "well deserved" long serving staff, aside.Look at a flight today,with many new crew,and less hands on training,there is no consistancy.
Nobody can put the blame on staff who are not competant to deal with situations,BUT THE MANEGEMENT.because good,competant staff are either conered,terminated or have resigned,or forced to resigned,leaving the less qualified to do the job.
Look at the training dept:How many qualified trainers could be found there? a handfull?
At the end of the day,what matters to Qatar airways is not the welbeing and the welfare of its staff,but getting the job done through dictatorship.Because Qatar airways have to TAKE OFF !!
Let the staff go to DOGS!!!!!
I have been in the company for a little longer and seen how irritating the way decisions are being made and staff are being treated.
A simple fact: Look at the promotions at Qatar airways.right candidate does not get the right possition.inexperienced staff are in high ranks within the company,pushing the "well deserved" long serving staff, aside.Look at a flight today,with many new crew,and less hands on training,there is no consistancy.
Nobody can put the blame on staff who are not competant to deal with situations,BUT THE MANEGEMENT.because good,competant staff are either conered,terminated or have resigned,or forced to resigned,leaving the less qualified to do the job.
Look at the training dept:How many qualified trainers could be found there? a handfull?
At the end of the day,what matters to Qatar airways is not the welbeing and the welfare of its staff,but getting the job done through dictatorship.Because Qatar airways have to TAKE OFF !!
Let the staff go to DOGS!!!!!
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Bang, Ive noticed almost continual ads in Flight Inter of QA wanting pilots. If you dont mind may I ask you the following?
* Doha. Is it livable? Yeh Ive lived in Ha Noi for over 5 years but Im just fed up with the place!
* Is the Company itself livable? Are expats left alone to just get on with the job?
* Pay and conditions for A300 capt? In a nutshell.
* Does the Company offer time off outside Doha? In other words can an expat work his butt off for say 20 days and get 10 straight days off in say the UK (with travel arranged to and fro?)
If youd rather speak more freely than you can here, Im at [email protected]
Thanks in apreciation mate.
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* Doha. Is it livable? Yeh Ive lived in Ha Noi for over 5 years but Im just fed up with the place!
* Is the Company itself livable? Are expats left alone to just get on with the job?
* Pay and conditions for A300 capt? In a nutshell.
* Does the Company offer time off outside Doha? In other words can an expat work his butt off for say 20 days and get 10 straight days off in say the UK (with travel arranged to and fro?)
If youd rather speak more freely than you can here, Im at [email protected]
Thanks in apreciation mate.
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I am sorry, but do not agree with Qatari 515!
Anyways, I do hope that everybody who works there "get the best of it " If, " there is anything worth in there"
The new management must change! except for Mr Siddiqi he is the only person that can make things happen but he realy needs to choose his people.
Mentioned Palli J great guy too.
Anyways, I do hope that everybody who works there "get the best of it " If, " there is anything worth in there"
The new management must change! except for Mr Siddiqi he is the only person that can make things happen but he realy needs to choose his people.
Mentioned Palli J great guy too.
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Palle J......
greetings Mr. abuspilot,
God damn , Palle's still there ?!?! I ' m sorry to hear that same S..... happen day after day.... since Dec, 93 ' when we started that damn outfit , for god sake get that snakbar the baker out !!! and you' ll see the light out of the tunnel...! May I ask ? is qatari515 a clone of the snakbar the baker or is he sniffing glue ?
Cheers & beers
God damn , Palle's still there ?!?! I ' m sorry to hear that same S..... happen day after day.... since Dec, 93 ' when we started that damn outfit , for god sake get that snakbar the baker out !!! and you' ll see the light out of the tunnel...! May I ask ? is qatari515 a clone of the snakbar the baker or is he sniffing glue ?
Cheers & beers