Will Qatar Airways make it
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From: Dohacity
3000PSI.....
Not a clone , not a glue sniffer.....
Just a pilot employed by QR!
The thing is that if we really want to change things here we have to stick to the truth.....Truth meaning negative as well as positive things need to be said!
You might not agree with it, fine by me but at least stay honest when you say something on this forum! A lot of the cowboy stories published here have been proven untrue so far and this causes people to believe that all stories about QR are B*****S***T!!!!!
Not a clone , not a glue sniffer.....
Just a pilot employed by QR!
The thing is that if we really want to change things here we have to stick to the truth.....Truth meaning negative as well as positive things need to be said!
You might not agree with it, fine by me but at least stay honest when you say something on this forum! A lot of the cowboy stories published here have been proven untrue so far and this causes people to believe that all stories about QR are B*****S***T!!!!!
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From: london
As I've said before, what the airline needs is a committed management team of seasoned and loyal professionals BUT as long as AAB is at the helm the airline will never get the quality of people it requires. Its image as an employer for ex-pats is so poor that it will be next to impossible to recruit the right kind of people. And it requires ex-pats to do the job as can be seen at GF.
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* Doha. Is it a good place to live?
* Is the Company itself livable? Are expats left alone to just get on with the job?
* Are local crew given preferential treatment?
* Pay and conditions for A300/A320 capt? In a nutshell.
* Does the Company offer time off outside Doha? In other words can an expat work his butt off for say 20 days and get 10 straight days off in say the UK ?
*Is the Flightcrew training of a high standard?
Someone PLEEEASE answer these questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks.
* Is the Company itself livable? Are expats left alone to just get on with the job?
* Are local crew given preferential treatment?
* Pay and conditions for A300/A320 capt? In a nutshell.
* Does the Company offer time off outside Doha? In other words can an expat work his butt off for say 20 days and get 10 straight days off in say the UK ?
*Is the Flightcrew training of a high standard?
Someone PLEEEASE answer these questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks.
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not enough "NoTec" in flt trng
i went thru the QR pilot(A 320 Capt) selection process last Oct.
The pre-interview presentation was quite nice(they stuck to the facts,no fancy hype)
As far as i can tell,of all the pilots from my airline who came for the interview,only 2(including self) were taken for simulator evaluation.
the breifing was good(and friendly)and the session fairly typical to those conducted in my airline.
And like that in my airline(and one of the reasons why i wanted to move on)their appeared to be no special emphasis on the
"No Tec" aspect. (it is how CRM was used to assign priorities and sequence tasks when handling unusual or out of SOP situations)
i was a bit dissappionted at not being called to join them,and my collegues in my present airline could not beleive that QR had passed me by!
The other chap was called and was flying with them by Feb.
Now i hear he has left QR!
And now they are looking at unrated pilots.
Something tells me they need to get their act togather in flt.ops too!
i am sure they still have some talented folks(Capt. Kevin who conducted the interview sure knew his stuff)
Hope they get a free hand in setting things right.
All the best QR!
The pre-interview presentation was quite nice(they stuck to the facts,no fancy hype)
As far as i can tell,of all the pilots from my airline who came for the interview,only 2(including self) were taken for simulator evaluation.
the breifing was good(and friendly)and the session fairly typical to those conducted in my airline.
And like that in my airline(and one of the reasons why i wanted to move on)their appeared to be no special emphasis on the
"No Tec" aspect. (it is how CRM was used to assign priorities and sequence tasks when handling unusual or out of SOP situations)
i was a bit dissappionted at not being called to join them,and my collegues in my present airline could not beleive that QR had passed me by!
The other chap was called and was flying with them by Feb.
Now i hear he has left QR!
And now they are looking at unrated pilots.
Something tells me they need to get their act togather in flt.ops too!
i am sure they still have some talented folks(Capt. Kevin who conducted the interview sure knew his stuff)
Hope they get a free hand in setting things right.
All the best QR!
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From: Dohacity
Untill now QR still has a lot of talented guys! Local and not local!
But as far as i am concerned QR does not deserve a single one of them! As far as they are concerned we should be gratefull untill the very end that QR has granted us a job! What crap! All markets are braking up nowadays ( just take a look at the recruitment sites.....Ireland, Netherlands, France, Hong Kong, etc etc) so they should be gratefull towards us!
My opinion is that if QR wants to survive they should do a firm upgrade of the package and turn QR into a real carreer airline such as EK. Now, if you would manage to stay here 30 years, you go home with nothing!!!! No pension fund, no fee.....NULL!
Just be honest, with all big companies looking for rated pilots, which sane pilot would want to work here? Sure, you always find some individuals but to be honest, most QR pilots have other reasons for staying here then QR itself!
That is why so many will be leaving now or will not be comming back from their leaves!!!And they should do so.....
Nightbird.....friend of Pritvi?
But as far as i am concerned QR does not deserve a single one of them! As far as they are concerned we should be gratefull untill the very end that QR has granted us a job! What crap! All markets are braking up nowadays ( just take a look at the recruitment sites.....Ireland, Netherlands, France, Hong Kong, etc etc) so they should be gratefull towards us!
My opinion is that if QR wants to survive they should do a firm upgrade of the package and turn QR into a real carreer airline such as EK. Now, if you would manage to stay here 30 years, you go home with nothing!!!! No pension fund, no fee.....NULL!
Just be honest, with all big companies looking for rated pilots, which sane pilot would want to work here? Sure, you always find some individuals but to be honest, most QR pilots have other reasons for staying here then QR itself!
That is why so many will be leaving now or will not be comming back from their leaves!!!And they should do so.....
Nightbird.....friend of Pritvi?
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From: N571
Hi Qatari 515,
Hope your prayers for a happier QR are answered soon.
i spoke to Prithvi on the R/T in Feb and he sounded happy.
i am not in touch with him now,so i am wondering why did he leave all of a sudden?
Happy Landings
Hope your prayers for a happier QR are answered soon.
i spoke to Prithvi on the R/T in Feb and he sounded happy.
i am not in touch with him now,so i am wondering why did he leave all of a sudden?
Happy Landings
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From: Formerly of Nam
Firm Touchdown I think the lack of feedback (or at least acknowledgment) of our respective posts indicates it might NOT be a Company to go for.
In my experience airlines who place pilot recruit-ads almost monthley in Flight Inter indicates they arent getting the drivers and staying away in droves. So there must be something very wrong there.
Looking through other Qatar-related threads I think Ill give that mob a miss. I thought at least "bang" might provide some answers to those esential questions I/we asked but I got zilch.
In my experience airlines who place pilot recruit-ads almost monthley in Flight Inter indicates they arent getting the drivers and staying away in droves. So there must be something very wrong there.
Looking through other Qatar-related threads I think Ill give that mob a miss. I thought at least "bang" might provide some answers to those esential questions I/we asked but I got zilch.
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From: Dohacity
Slasher,
If you would have taken the effort to go through previous treads about QR then you would have found all the answers you need!
Just search for them, me alone I have answered all those questions allready 10 times and I have had it now...
If you would have taken the effort to go through previous treads about QR then you would have found all the answers you need!
Just search for them, me alone I have answered all those questions allready 10 times and I have had it now...
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From: Formerly of Nam
Thanks Q515! Your a veratable font of information! Your a great help champ, great help! 
Jeez I never thought of actualy SEARCHING through past threads! Oh well, when they were dishing out common-sense I mustve wandered away from the queue somehow......
Re-addressing and re-hashing the particular simple questions from above (which I CANT find the flamin answers to in other threads)
* Doha. Is it a livable place for Westerners? Yes? No? Sorta?
* Is the Company itself livable? Are expats left alone to just get on with the job or hassled every which way? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
* Are local crew given preferential treatment in terms of routes, rosters, etc? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
* Pay and conditions for A300/A320 capt? In a nutshell.
$??? pm gross/education yes? no?/per diems yes? no?/ average take-home pm $??/ Duration of initial contract ??years
* What is the amount and duration for A300/A320 bonds? $??/??years
* Does the Company offer time off outside Doha? In other words can an expat work his butt off for say 22 days and get 8 straight days off in say the UK or SE Asia? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
Thats all. Christ its not like Im askin for a discription of the far side of the moon or something!
Thank you gentlemen.
Jeez I never thought of actualy SEARCHING through past threads! Oh well, when they were dishing out common-sense I mustve wandered away from the queue somehow......
Re-addressing and re-hashing the particular simple questions from above (which I CANT find the flamin answers to in other threads)
* Doha. Is it a livable place for Westerners? Yes? No? Sorta?
* Is the Company itself livable? Are expats left alone to just get on with the job or hassled every which way? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
* Are local crew given preferential treatment in terms of routes, rosters, etc? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
* Pay and conditions for A300/A320 capt? In a nutshell.
$??? pm gross/education yes? no?/per diems yes? no?/ average take-home pm $??/ Duration of initial contract ??years
* What is the amount and duration for A300/A320 bonds? $??/??years
* Does the Company offer time off outside Doha? In other words can an expat work his butt off for say 22 days and get 8 straight days off in say the UK or SE Asia? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
Thats all. Christ its not like Im askin for a discription of the far side of the moon or something!
Thank you gentlemen.
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From: Dohacity
* Doha. Is it a livable place for Westerners? Yes? No? Sorta?
All depends what you want. Are you a family man, the quiet type, you enyoy nature and laying by the pool, desert driving etc etc.....yes, it is very much livable!
Do you want to go out all the time, have fun, feel unrestricted, you like cosmopolitan cities etc etc....then do not come!
I love the way of life here , others for sure will start bashing now about Doha being the dullest place on earth....all a matter of opinion so check it out thoroughly yourself before you decide on something!
* Is the Company itself livable? Are expats left alone to just get on with the job or hassled every which way? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
Stay away from politics, dont bother about a managment job and even stay away from training if you can....then you will do allright! This is an expat company and as in every expat company you are rather vulnerable! No unions no nothins so.....
But if you follow the one golden rule they leave you alone....
* Are local crew given preferential treatment in terms of routes, rosters, etc? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
Routes and rosters .....NO! Seniority counts there for everybody! Pay.....as everywhere...yes. They get something more although nopbody knows exactly how much! Who cxares anyway, if you are happy with what they are offering you why should you be worried by a qataris pay? Its the same in GF anyway....
Promotion......some people feel that there is a certain advantage in being an arabic speaker regarding upgrades although again, I have never seen it myself!
* Pay and conditions for A300/A320 capt? In a nutshell.
$??? pm gross/education yes? no?/per diems yes? no?/ average take-home pm $??/ Duration of initial contract ??years
Everybody, regardless of the fleet, takes home the same thing. F/O basic salary 12000QR, Captain 16000QR. Together with all the duty payments etc etc you have around 21500QR as an FO and 27000QR as a captain!
They pay for education but , regarding the market situation in Doha, it is far from enough!Lets say they have to tripple it to make it worthwile. Anyway they pay up to 18 years old and thats it.....pretty lousy package there!
Living allowance, included above, is 4500QR. On an average bases the expats here are paying between 5000 and 11000QR/Month, again depending on what you are looking for off course but to make it reasonable they have to add 4000QR at least to the package there!
This package has not been upgraded for years now and since then the situation in the ' booming' Doha has changed a lot! Everytime they where planning an upgrade something happend that managment could use in thjeir advantage! Lets hope they do change something about that!
If you had not noticed it yet...they are very very very bad in personnell managment! They should read the basical books about managment again and then this company would be a dream to work for!
" Treat people as if they where what they ought to be and you help them to become what they are capable of being"
John Wolfgang von Goethe
In other words:Give to your employees and they will give it back to you!!!
Initial contract is open ended with three months probation
* What is the amount and duration for A300/A320 bonds? $??/??years
I think a bond is around 25000USD or three years....to be confirmed.
* Does the Company offer time off outside Doha? In other words can an expat work his butt off for say 22 days and get 8 straight days off in say the UK or SE Asia? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
Yes you can! You can bid for 4 days of in a row every month or 8 days off in a row every two months.....
Hope this helped you.....
All depends what you want. Are you a family man, the quiet type, you enyoy nature and laying by the pool, desert driving etc etc.....yes, it is very much livable!
Do you want to go out all the time, have fun, feel unrestricted, you like cosmopolitan cities etc etc....then do not come!
I love the way of life here , others for sure will start bashing now about Doha being the dullest place on earth....all a matter of opinion so check it out thoroughly yourself before you decide on something!
* Is the Company itself livable? Are expats left alone to just get on with the job or hassled every which way? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
Stay away from politics, dont bother about a managment job and even stay away from training if you can....then you will do allright! This is an expat company and as in every expat company you are rather vulnerable! No unions no nothins so.....
But if you follow the one golden rule they leave you alone....
* Are local crew given preferential treatment in terms of routes, rosters, etc? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
Routes and rosters .....NO! Seniority counts there for everybody! Pay.....as everywhere...yes. They get something more although nopbody knows exactly how much! Who cxares anyway, if you are happy with what they are offering you why should you be worried by a qataris pay? Its the same in GF anyway....
Promotion......some people feel that there is a certain advantage in being an arabic speaker regarding upgrades although again, I have never seen it myself!
* Pay and conditions for A300/A320 capt? In a nutshell.
$??? pm gross/education yes? no?/per diems yes? no?/ average take-home pm $??/ Duration of initial contract ??years
Everybody, regardless of the fleet, takes home the same thing. F/O basic salary 12000QR, Captain 16000QR. Together with all the duty payments etc etc you have around 21500QR as an FO and 27000QR as a captain!
They pay for education but , regarding the market situation in Doha, it is far from enough!Lets say they have to tripple it to make it worthwile. Anyway they pay up to 18 years old and thats it.....pretty lousy package there!
Living allowance, included above, is 4500QR. On an average bases the expats here are paying between 5000 and 11000QR/Month, again depending on what you are looking for off course but to make it reasonable they have to add 4000QR at least to the package there!
This package has not been upgraded for years now and since then the situation in the ' booming' Doha has changed a lot! Everytime they where planning an upgrade something happend that managment could use in thjeir advantage! Lets hope they do change something about that!
If you had not noticed it yet...they are very very very bad in personnell managment! They should read the basical books about managment again and then this company would be a dream to work for!
" Treat people as if they where what they ought to be and you help them to become what they are capable of being"
John Wolfgang von Goethe
In other words:Give to your employees and they will give it back to you!!!
Initial contract is open ended with three months probation
* What is the amount and duration for A300/A320 bonds? $??/??years
I think a bond is around 25000USD or three years....to be confirmed.
* Does the Company offer time off outside Doha? In other words can an expat work his butt off for say 22 days and get 8 straight days off in say the UK or SE Asia? (Yes? No? Sorta?)
Yes you can! You can bid for 4 days of in a row every month or 8 days off in a row every two months.....
Hope this helped you.....
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From: Europe
Salah malekum Qatari515,
Sounds like your're working for QR, could you please answer couple of questions???
1- how much is 21500QR worth in Euros or even US $ ????
2- how strong is the local currency????
3- Are you saving any money in Doha or is it all going into the local economy???
Thank you in advance for the reply
Cheers.....
Sounds like your're working for QR, could you please answer couple of questions???
1- how much is 21500QR worth in Euros or even US $ ????
2- how strong is the local currency????
3- Are you saving any money in Doha or is it all going into the local economy???
Thank you in advance for the reply
Cheers.....
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From: Formerly of Nam
Thanks Q515. Much apreciated.
Can this be negotiated to say 6-7 days per month if one is prepared to work ones butt off with minimum rest for the working part that month?
You can bid for 4 days of in a row every month or 8 days off in a row every two months.....
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I'm having a not-so quiet giggle here at Q515's question to Slash -
"Are you a family man, the quiet type, you enyoy nature and laying by the pool"
Now, a lot of you don't know Slasher from the Old Days and he is new to the ME forum but Slash is the man.
Family man - how many families are we talking about?
Quiet type - the only quiet time in Slash's day is that short time between falling asleep & the onset of the snoring.
Enjoy nature - sure he enjoys nature. As long as it's wearing a skirt.
Laying by the pool - yes, there and a whole lot of other places.
Slash you can run but you can't hide. Husbands & fathers lock up your women.
SLASH ALERT
Welcome to the sandpit Slash - come on in, the water's warm.
"Are you a family man, the quiet type, you enyoy nature and laying by the pool"
Now, a lot of you don't know Slasher from the Old Days and he is new to the ME forum but Slash is the man.
Family man - how many families are we talking about?
Quiet type - the only quiet time in Slash's day is that short time between falling asleep & the onset of the snoring.
Enjoy nature - sure he enjoys nature. As long as it's wearing a skirt.
Laying by the pool - yes, there and a whole lot of other places.
Slash you can run but you can't hide. Husbands & fathers lock up your women.
SLASH ALERT
Welcome to the sandpit Slash - come on in, the water's warm.
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Sorry!
Capt. Krunch.....
It appears to me, that this is the only better job you ever had! despite the critics you should be realistic and support your fellow man! and look whos talking about back stubbing!
dare devil.
Qatari 515 You are alright man! I don't care what they said about you.
It appears to me, that this is the only better job you ever had! despite the critics you should be realistic and support your fellow man! and look whos talking about back stubbing!
dare devil.
Qatari 515 You are alright man! I don't care what they said about you.
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From: N25.15.9 / E051.33.6
Ya Sure...
abuspilot:
I will never support anyone who i dont agree with.... i'm not the type just to follow the masses and never will... some folks like it here and some folks don't.... some will leave and some won't...
as far as i'm concerned this is a good place to work and they always pay on time... i'm not a politician (nor can i spell it properly) i'm just hear to fly the bus and have a great time while doing it...
I'm not interested in banging my head against the wall just because other people are... maybe they have just cause for doing so, from their point of view, theres no problem with that at all ,, but, I surely won't....
and I have to live and work here as well as everyone else and put up with all the same things as everyone else..... but i'm OK with it all... i'm just happy to be working,,, have a good job,,, a good time while on layovers and time off.....
as i mentioned before.... live is too short for all the grumbling over things you can not change.... I don't want to go to work un happy.... if thats the case than i just dont want to go... things could be alot worse... there is no perfect airline,,, there is no perfect place to work... it's all in the eye of the individual.... i perdonally dont look at the greener grasses,,, i just take care of mine myself...
I walk thru the door... make a left turn and find my seat at the pointy end.. with a smile... and i'm just thrilled to do it.... and for those who might think i'm new at the game.. well not so either... have been at it for more than a decade and a half and loved it all the way, good and bad,,,
my worst possible day on the flight deck,, is still better than the best possible day some one else could have ...
that my story and i'ma stick'in to it..
I will never support anyone who i dont agree with.... i'm not the type just to follow the masses and never will... some folks like it here and some folks don't.... some will leave and some won't...
as far as i'm concerned this is a good place to work and they always pay on time... i'm not a politician (nor can i spell it properly) i'm just hear to fly the bus and have a great time while doing it...
I'm not interested in banging my head against the wall just because other people are... maybe they have just cause for doing so, from their point of view, theres no problem with that at all ,, but, I surely won't....
and I have to live and work here as well as everyone else and put up with all the same things as everyone else..... but i'm OK with it all... i'm just happy to be working,,, have a good job,,, a good time while on layovers and time off.....
as i mentioned before.... live is too short for all the grumbling over things you can not change.... I don't want to go to work un happy.... if thats the case than i just dont want to go... things could be alot worse... there is no perfect airline,,, there is no perfect place to work... it's all in the eye of the individual.... i perdonally dont look at the greener grasses,,, i just take care of mine myself...
I walk thru the door... make a left turn and find my seat at the pointy end.. with a smile... and i'm just thrilled to do it.... and for those who might think i'm new at the game.. well not so either... have been at it for more than a decade and a half and loved it all the way, good and bad,,,
my worst possible day on the flight deck,, is still better than the best possible day some one else could have ...
that my story and i'ma stick'in to it..
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From: Formerly of Nam
Sorry 4HP but its not me whos interested. A mate of mine is workin out wether to make out an aplication or not. Thought Id try here to get more info.
Besides Im still too busy "corupting" the commie chicks here!
Besides Im still too busy "corupting" the commie chicks here!
