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Old 15th Mar 2023, 13:09
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Yes. There are a lot of Planes coming to the middle east in the next 5 years. Looks like the industry will increase in size by at least 50%.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 14:14
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Can someone please explain to me, ( I must be a bit thick). Why start a whole new airline, why not just upgrade Saudia?
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 14:43
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Am I the only one who thinks the name itself will put people off?
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 14:57
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Originally Posted by SOPS
Can someone please explain to me, ( I must be a bit thick). Why start a whole new airline, why not just upgrade Saudia?
The answer is that they tried to start a Riyadh base with Saudia. It didn't work. The company has been based in Jeddah for 75 years and the vast majority of Pilots maintenance etc have there lives in Jeddah. Those staff could not be persuaded to move to Riyadh. Probably 90% of staff. The expats were forced to Riyadh but they represent only a small percentage of employees and getting smaller all of the time.
Riyadh is a city of 6 million relatively wealthy people who want to travel. A large longhaul Airline based in Riyadh is long overdue.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 15:13
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Originally Posted by rudestuff
Am I the only one who thinks the name itself will put people off?
Maybe ....; well established in some places


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Old 15th Mar 2023, 20:30
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Originally Posted by Giuff
that was a test. I am sure. They'll get zero applications. Then they will start the real game.
20/10 with a competitive package.
No one from the US for sure. Maybe some from the ME3 and Europe. But they gotta move fast.
Don't forget to count in Canadians coz their pay SUCKS.
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Old 16th Mar 2023, 04:48
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Originally Posted by kungfu panda
The answer is that they tried to start a Riyadh base with Saudia. It didn't work. The company has been based in Jeddah for 75 years and the vast majority of Pilots maintenance etc have there lives in Jeddah. Those staff could not be persuaded to move to Riyadh. Probably 90% of staff. The expats were forced to Riyadh but they represent only a small percentage of employees and getting smaller all of the time.
Riyadh is a city of 6 million relatively wealthy people who want to travel. A large longhaul Airline based in Riyadh is long overdue.
Thank you. 😃😃😃
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Old 16th Mar 2023, 13:12
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55,000 SAR basic apparently. Housing allowance is 25,000SAR a month or company provided accommodation. 250 SAR per hour flight pay.
If that's true that's about USD26K for 70 hours. Reasonable pay if it were commutable, not for living in Saudi. Would really need to be a 50/50 roster for me to seriously consider.
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Old 16th Mar 2023, 13:19
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If that's true that's about USD26K for 70 hours. Reasonable pay if it were commutable, not for living in Saudi. Would really need to be a 50/50 roster for me to seriously consider.
50/50 Roster. Don't make me laugh.
They've got Bellew, ex Ryanair, as COO.
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Old 16th Mar 2023, 17:33
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I hear you. 5/4 roster then (weeks rather than days preferably). And paid an obscene amount of money, and I think it could work.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 07:50
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Localisation limits for first officers came into effect 2 days ago, 60% must be saudi and will increase until it reaches 100%.

As for the package, housing is generally ex basic salary so 300k is rather excessive and not required by the market.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 13:27
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To make it worthwhile for experienced wide body crew to leave their current jobs (even in the ME), this airline is going to have to pay a minimum of 15-20% more than Qatar or Emirates, and/or have a commuting contract. Why would one go through all the expense of packing up, selling, breaking leases, and above all, taking a chance on a startup if it wasn't significantly better?

They've already blotted their copybook with ham-fisted adverts, all about what they require from you and nothing about what they offer, all secrets and rumours, confirming they'll be a copy paste of the other two.
Yesterday I spoke to a Saudia engineer, he said first flight won't be for at least a year, anyways.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 14:09
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To make it worthwhile for experienced wide body crew to leave their current jobs (even in the ME), this airline is going to have to pay a minimum of 15-20% more than Qatar or Emirates, and/or have a commuting contract. Why would one go through all the expense of packing up, selling, breaking leases, and above all, taking a chance on a startup if it wasn't significantly better?

They've already blotted their copybook with ham-fisted adverts, all about what they require from you and nothing about what they offer, all secrets and rumours, confirming they'll be a copy paste of the other two.
Yesterday I spoke to a Saudia engineer, he said first flight won't be for at least a year, anyways.
Herein lies the case in point; it is not only the Pilots they need to attract but selling RUH to their spouse / dependants is going to be next to impossible, especially to those lifestyles available in DXB, AUH, or even DOH.

This is evident with the mass exodus of CX CA’s taking FO positions with EK over that of DEC with QR. Most chose lifestyle.

Now imagine trying to sell the same guys (this is their target audience IMHO A330/A350 typed and experienced crew) 8 days off in the hub of RUH. Impossible.

With no commuting contracts on offer, or not disclosing any information related to remuneration (other than the mere speculation that’s circulating) it does leave one to wonder how they intend to “compete”…
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 15:16
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I keep saying this..I’m getting boring, there is more to life than $$$ and flying aeroplanes. I’m so glad I’m out of it. Why anyone would go to Saudi Arabia for any money is beyond me.

There is a life beyond being a pilot. Try it, it’s fun.
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Old 18th Mar 2023, 01:56
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Originally Posted by JG1
To make it worthwhile for experienced wide body crew to leave their current jobs (even in the ME), this airline is going to have to pay a minimum of 15-20% more than Qatar or Emirates, and/or have a commuting contract. Why would one go through all the expense of packing up, selling, breaking leases, and above all, taking a chance on a startup if it wasn't significantly better?

They've already blotted their copybook with ham-fisted adverts, all about what they require from you and nothing about what they offer, all secrets and rumours, confirming they'll be a copy paste of the other two.
Yesterday I spoke to a Saudia engineer, he said first flight won't be for at least a year, anyways.
You would seriously move to RUH for just 15-20% more? They'd need to pay me 20% more than I currently get and offer a commuting contract to make it even remotely attractive. I doubt there is a number high enough to convince my family to move to RUH.
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Old 18th Mar 2023, 08:16
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Originally Posted by SOPS
I keep saying this..I’m getting boring, there is more to life than $$$ and flying aeroplanes. I’m so glad I’m out of it. Why anyone would go to Saudi Arabia for any money is beyond me.

There is a life beyond being a pilot. Try it, it’s fun.
Ditto here.
I cannot see many people taking this new RIA bait unless they are desperate for whatever reason, as there are plenty of options out there.

Anyone who has the ME experience knows what to expect.
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Old 18th Mar 2023, 08:58
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Originally Posted by SOPS
I keep saying this..I’m getting boring, there is more to life than $$$ and flying aeroplanes. I’m so glad I’m out of it. Why anyone would go to Saudi Arabia for any money is beyond me.
Have you ever lived in Saudi? They have had some amazing changes over the last 7 years.
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Old 18th Mar 2023, 11:01
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Originally Posted by mutt
Have you ever lived in Saudi? They have had some amazing changes over the last 7 years.
Mutt. I know that you've lived in Saudi forever. But it's not a great life for families despite the changes. Education is very expensive, even after any subsidy.
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Old 18th Mar 2023, 15:10
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I keep saying this..I’m getting boring, there is more to life than $$$ and flying aeroplanes. I’m so glad I’m out of it. Why anyone would go to Saudi Arabia for any money is beyond me.
golden years in ME is over since long time,nowadays food,education and so on is very expensive and RUH is very expensive too.I used to pay around 70-80 usd for meat ,vegetables,bread,fruit and some jam
at carrefour ryiadh,nothing fancy.
The amount of savings for a family in the sandpit would be pretty much the same as in Europe if not lower,choosing to move or not would be pretty obvious then
but if you are young,single or married with no kids or just one then ME3 would be still good,ryiadh would be still pretty challenging but that's my 2 cents.
Surely they have changed over the years and is great but not as much as they are trying to advertise.Just read the newspapers...
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 06:24
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Originally Posted by mutt
Have you ever lived in Saudi? They have had some amazing changes over the last 7 years.
I spend on and off around 4 weeks a row in KSA, and that´s in Jeddah (not bloody Riyadh), and as much as there are some very positive changes to lifestyle with the increasing higher standards of restaurants and accommodation choices, it remains an opaque totalitarian regime without any human face or touch to it. It will not take long for most average humans (including pilots ;-) ) to feel like a slave, just like the other "immigrants" that the country enslaves. Most normal minds will loong home or at least away from this sandy ****hole within the first 12 months of duty. Money, and if rotational contract, will only last for "that" long. I´ve been coming and going (minus 2+ covid years) here for half a decade, so perhaps not even that long, but I can truly say this is not an enjoyable place to be - and I am NOT even considering if I had to move my family to this place - there is NO way in hell I would EVER consider that! It´s really hard to find something positive to say about being in the KSA (other than the fact that of course there´s many nice Saudi nationals and people as well) and you need to realize that you´re basically selling you soul to the devil and your time spend within the Kingdom is simply a "write off" - a time in your life that you´ve lost (and will never get back!). The other positive I can say is that, in my view, any experience in life is just that - an experience - and having experienced "living" in the KSA and seen what it´s like is of course something you can bring back with you and share with your friends and family.
But to stay here (in The KSA) permanently or on something like 2:1 (20/10) rotation - I´d rather fly for Ryanair or Wizzair (and I truly wouldn´t want to touch that!) - it´s THAT bad, and I beg anyone with the slightest consideration of coming here to take a fresh realistic view on what this place really is! It is NOT the UAE - it is NOT Dubai or even Doha - by a far stretch not!
Consider yourself warned.
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