RIA Saudi Airlines?
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Not sure if this has been covered
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2023-03-14/
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2023-03-14/
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Riyadh is a city of 6 million relatively wealthy people who want to travel. A large longhaul Airline based in Riyadh is long overdue.
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short flights long nights
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The answer is that they tried to start a Riyadh base with Saudia. It didn't work. The company has been based in Jeddah for 75 years and the vast majority of Pilots maintenance etc have there lives in Jeddah. Those staff could not be persuaded to move to Riyadh. Probably 90% of staff. The expats were forced to Riyadh but they represent only a small percentage of employees and getting smaller all of the time.
Riyadh is a city of 6 million relatively wealthy people who want to travel. A large longhaul Airline based in Riyadh is long overdue.
Riyadh is a city of 6 million relatively wealthy people who want to travel. A large longhaul Airline based in Riyadh is long overdue.
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If that's true that's about USD26K for 70 hours. Reasonable pay if it were commutable, not for living in Saudi. Would really need to be a 50/50 roster for me to seriously consider.
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Localisation limits for first officers came into effect 2 days ago, 60% must be saudi and will increase until it reaches 100%.
As for the package, housing is generally ex basic salary so 300k is rather excessive and not required by the market.
As for the package, housing is generally ex basic salary so 300k is rather excessive and not required by the market.
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To make it worthwhile for experienced wide body crew to leave their current jobs (even in the ME), this airline is going to have to pay a minimum of 15-20% more than Qatar or Emirates, and/or have a commuting contract. Why would one go through all the expense of packing up, selling, breaking leases, and above all, taking a chance on a startup if it wasn't significantly better?
They've already blotted their copybook with ham-fisted adverts, all about what they require from you and nothing about what they offer, all secrets and rumours, confirming they'll be a copy paste of the other two.
Yesterday I spoke to a Saudia engineer, he said first flight won't be for at least a year, anyways.
They've already blotted their copybook with ham-fisted adverts, all about what they require from you and nothing about what they offer, all secrets and rumours, confirming they'll be a copy paste of the other two.
Yesterday I spoke to a Saudia engineer, he said first flight won't be for at least a year, anyways.
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To make it worthwhile for experienced wide body crew to leave their current jobs (even in the ME), this airline is going to have to pay a minimum of 15-20% more than Qatar or Emirates, and/or have a commuting contract. Why would one go through all the expense of packing up, selling, breaking leases, and above all, taking a chance on a startup if it wasn't significantly better?
They've already blotted their copybook with ham-fisted adverts, all about what they require from you and nothing about what they offer, all secrets and rumours, confirming they'll be a copy paste of the other two.
Yesterday I spoke to a Saudia engineer, he said first flight won't be for at least a year, anyways.
They've already blotted their copybook with ham-fisted adverts, all about what they require from you and nothing about what they offer, all secrets and rumours, confirming they'll be a copy paste of the other two.
Yesterday I spoke to a Saudia engineer, he said first flight won't be for at least a year, anyways.
This is evident with the mass exodus of CX CA’s taking FO positions with EK over that of DEC with QR. Most chose lifestyle.
Now imagine trying to sell the same guys (this is their target audience IMHO A330/A350 typed and experienced crew) 8 days off in the hub of RUH. Impossible.
With no commuting contracts on offer, or not disclosing any information related to remuneration (other than the mere speculation that’s circulating) it does leave one to wonder how they intend to “compete”…
short flights long nights
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I keep saying this..I’m getting boring, there is more to life than $$$ and flying aeroplanes. I’m so glad I’m out of it. Why anyone would go to Saudi Arabia for any money is beyond me.
There is a life beyond being a pilot. Try it, it’s fun.
There is a life beyond being a pilot. Try it, it’s fun.
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To make it worthwhile for experienced wide body crew to leave their current jobs (even in the ME), this airline is going to have to pay a minimum of 15-20% more than Qatar or Emirates, and/or have a commuting contract. Why would one go through all the expense of packing up, selling, breaking leases, and above all, taking a chance on a startup if it wasn't significantly better?
They've already blotted their copybook with ham-fisted adverts, all about what they require from you and nothing about what they offer, all secrets and rumours, confirming they'll be a copy paste of the other two.
Yesterday I spoke to a Saudia engineer, he said first flight won't be for at least a year, anyways.
They've already blotted their copybook with ham-fisted adverts, all about what they require from you and nothing about what they offer, all secrets and rumours, confirming they'll be a copy paste of the other two.
Yesterday I spoke to a Saudia engineer, he said first flight won't be for at least a year, anyways.
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I cannot see many people taking this new RIA bait unless they are desperate for whatever reason, as there are plenty of options out there.
Anyone who has the ME experience knows what to expect.
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I keep saying this..I’m getting boring, there is more to life than $$$ and flying aeroplanes. I’m so glad I’m out of it. Why anyone would go to Saudi Arabia for any money is beyond me.
at carrefour ryiadh,nothing fancy.
The amount of savings for a family in the sandpit would be pretty much the same as in Europe if not lower,choosing to move or not would be pretty obvious then
but if you are young,single or married with no kids or just one then ME3 would be still good,ryiadh would be still pretty challenging but that's my 2 cents.
Surely they have changed over the years and is great but not as much as they are trying to advertise.Just read the newspapers...
safe flights
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But to stay here (in The KSA) permanently or on something like 2:1 (20/10) rotation - I´d rather fly for Ryanair or Wizzair (and I truly wouldn´t want to touch that!) - it´s THAT bad, and I beg anyone with the slightest consideration of coming here to take a fresh realistic view on what this place really is! It is NOT the UAE - it is NOT Dubai or even Doha - by a far stretch not!
Consider yourself warned.