RIA Saudi Airlines?
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It’s also the undertone of how it’s written, it’s somewhat “dry” and “aggressive”. There’s no selling of any positive aspects, no mention of benefits or even salary. There’s nothing in this that makes anyone with experience go “oh I would love that”. Anyone with experience in recruitment, like myself, will read between the lines and go “stay far away.”
It shows that whoever dealing with this isn’t a people’s person and it is highly likely that those who join first will be treated poorly.
It shows that whoever dealing with this isn’t a people’s person and it is highly likely that those who join first will be treated poorly.
This way they go nowhere.
short flights long nights
Can someone please tell them that it’s one aircraft or many aircraft. ( not aircrafts). 900 hours a target, 8 days off a month… sounds very enticing .. not. And how much are they paying? They are kidding themselves with this ad.
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20/10 with a competitive package.
No one from the US for sure. Maybe some from the ME3 and Europe. But they gotta move fast.
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sure!8 days off a month ,minimum uh,to be spent in RUH
i can still remember those rumors “they will pay 25,000 usd” “no 30,000 usd”
for a non commuting contract they will need to pay 40,000 usd!Do you still trust these people?Whatever is written on the contract is as valuable as a piece of toilet paper down there… how much is your freedom worth?
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I think many people in the ME were ready to jump ship with RIA….. unfortunately, this job advert has fallen flat and left a few of us scratching our heads. Clearly, this would be just be Qatar or Emirates 2.0 and living in Riyadh on my days off…. No thanks.
Money wise, an EK CA turns >60K AED month, so to give up DXB for RUH it is going to have to be triple digits IMHO.
Extremely disappointing to say the least.
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I was thinking the same, even 20/10 would be unattainable living in RUH for that amount of time. Furthermore, the Saudi’s operate under a version of FAA regulations, whereby you only need 24 hours free of duty in any 7 day period. The result could be consecutive duties with only a period eg. 2am-2am free of duty to legalise the roster. Thus making the 20 days on an extremely productive period. It would have to be equal time to even consider now I.e 2/2, 4/4 etc
Money wise, an EK CA turns >60K AED month, so to give up DXB for RUH it is going to have to be triple digits IMHO.
Extremely disappointing to say the least.
Money wise, an EK CA turns >60K AED month, so to give up DXB for RUH it is going to have to be triple digits IMHO.
Extremely disappointing to say the least.
They really started in the worst possible way.
Lets see what they put on the table.
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First Officer applicants need to go in with their eyes wide open.
The last I heard, which was 2019, the Saudi government had 6,000 Saudi Pilot cadets in the United States training. They do a 4 year degree in aviation and then an ATP before returning to F/O positions. These guys will feed into all Saudi Airlines and particularly Saudia and Riyadh Air. Saudi's will absolutely have priority over all upgrades.
Consider that despite promises of upgrades made at Saudia, no expat FO has been upgraded since maybe the 1990's.
When the COVID pandemic hit, the only compulsory terminations were the expat FO's.
You may get lucky. But no complaints that you weren't warned if you become a career FO at Riyadh Air.
The last I heard, which was 2019, the Saudi government had 6,000 Saudi Pilot cadets in the United States training. They do a 4 year degree in aviation and then an ATP before returning to F/O positions. These guys will feed into all Saudi Airlines and particularly Saudia and Riyadh Air. Saudi's will absolutely have priority over all upgrades.
Consider that despite promises of upgrades made at Saudia, no expat FO has been upgraded since maybe the 1990's.
When the COVID pandemic hit, the only compulsory terminations were the expat FO's.
You may get lucky. But no complaints that you weren't warned if you become a career FO at Riyadh Air.
You guys are seriously keen to join? The COO has been comfirm, Peter Belew….ex Ryanair. Social dumping Arab style with that CEO and COO, great con men. Grabbing some popcorn and watching from afar this fall apart before it even starts as they treat pilots like scum(ad they do at Ryanair and Etihad) and fail to run an operation.
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Spot on!And i bet that there will be also a training bond to sign no matter if you are type rated or not,try to leave earlier and
they will keep you stuck there since your working visa belongs to your employer and it can be frozen no matter if it is multi entry/exit.
Unless you desperately need a job,then no objections and good luck .
I have worked there for 6 years ,fairly enjoyed it and that is my 2 cents:
1)if you are expecting to find an environment like Oman,UAE or Qatar forget about it.Hold your breath,head down,fly,eat,sleep pay your bills and repeat
2)Your employer can terminate your contract for any reason as soon as they will stop liking you or you do something wrong according to them,your contract at that point will be worth nothing,try to complain and get stuck there.
3)Jeddah is way better than RUH,drinking is expensive
5)Their respect toward you will last until they will need you.
it has to be clear that these people will not throw money out of the window to pay a pilot way above the ME3,if you believe so you are wrong by all means,didn't covid teach you anything?
Consider that despite promises of upgrades made at Saudia, no expat FO has been upgraded since maybe the 1990's.
they will keep you stuck there since your working visa belongs to your employer and it can be frozen no matter if it is multi entry/exit.
I was thinking the same, even 20/10 would be unattainable living in RUH for that amount of time.
I have worked there for 6 years ,fairly enjoyed it and that is my 2 cents:
1)if you are expecting to find an environment like Oman,UAE or Qatar forget about it.Hold your breath,head down,fly,eat,sleep pay your bills and repeat
2)Your employer can terminate your contract for any reason as soon as they will stop liking you or you do something wrong according to them,your contract at that point will be worth nothing,try to complain and get stuck there.
3)Jeddah is way better than RUH,drinking is expensive
5)Their respect toward you will last until they will need you.
Lets see what they put on the table
sure!8 days off a month ,minimum uh,to be spent in RUH
i can still remember those rumors “they will pay 25,000 usd” “no 30,000 usd”
for a non commuting contract they will need to pay 40,000 usd!Do you still trust these people?Whatever is written on the contract is as valuable as a piece of toilet paper down there… how much is your freedom worth?
Enjoy!
Living full time in Riyadh offers no comparison to that of DXB, AUH or DOH even. So yes, it’s going to have to be a significant remuneration package.
When CA’s were leaving ME carriers for China it was to get more time off and more money. Riyadh offers neither (at present).
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The initial response is right on the mark as to what I was expecting. Why offer a better lifestyle than we can get away with appears to be the business mindset. No doubt things will change unless they can get enough volunteers to sign up to a full time RUH contract.
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It sounds on the mark to me. With Emirates advertising about 43k SAR, I would expect Riyadh Air to be around 65k-70k. A sign on bonus for type rated guys, not unlikely in order to legally entail a bond in Saudi Arabia.
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55,000 SAR basic apparently. Housing allowance is 25,000SAR a month or company provided accommodation. 250 SAR per hour flight pay.
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Typical compound accommodation in Riyadh costs 9000 sar per month. That's good accommodation.
Not sure if this has been covered
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2023-03-14/
March 14 (Reuters) - Two Saudi Arabian airlines announced plans on Tuesday to order a combined 78 Boeing 787 Dreamliners, a big win for Boeing (BA.N) that marks the fifth largest commercial order by value in its history. State-owned Saudi Arabian Airlines (Saudia) and new national airline Riyadh Air will each buy 39 widebody 787s from the U.S.-based planemaker. The deal contains options for 10 additional Dreamliners for Saudia and 33 for Riyadh Air.