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I would say that they will take A320 Captains from FlyNAS and Flyadeal (Saudi Nationals) to fly the A350.
But they will still need the correctly qualified foreign Captains. In quite large numbers.
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kungfu panda Your statement is correct as of today, but effective 1st qtr 2023, they will no longer be Government employees with the best pensions in the world and with the removal of credit time for salaries, they are no longer the best paid. There is a pension cut off of 25 years of service, some will be allowed to continue, some will have it transferred to a public pension fund that has a maximum monthly payment limit a lot lower than the SV pension for high earners. Lots of Saudi’s took wide body command and were forced to move to Riyadh. So nothing to keep them working for them anymore. No massive salary, no massive pension and no home base. Hello RIA.
In fact, Saudia is the one that I foresee having to recruit foreign captains. They have achieved 100% localisation for First Officers and only have about 80 foreign Captains left, but that will change.
In fact, Saudia is the one that I foresee having to recruit foreign captains. They have achieved 100% localisation for First Officers and only have about 80 foreign Captains left, but that will change.
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Can't see Saudia releasing pilots to go to RIA, if they do who's going to replace them.
Cadets will happen later but not for the first few years at least and then only in measured amounts.
A320/737 Captains to A350/77X Captain, wishful thinking from aspiring narrow body pilots. From left seat 320/737 to right seat 350/77X maybe. Sounds fine and dandy until until they have their first flight across the poles to ORD in the middle of winter or to PEK for the first time. It was tried before in another nearby airline and they got away with it, just, thanks in no part to the existing demographic of more experienced FOs as well as a well established training and procedural systems in place. Even so the experiment was not repeated.
RIA will not have such a luxury, A350/77X pilots will consist of well seasoned wide body types, not boys from some low cost carrier strapping around their backyard in a bug smasher.
Cadets will happen later but not for the first few years at least and then only in measured amounts.
A320/737 Captains to A350/77X Captain, wishful thinking from aspiring narrow body pilots. From left seat 320/737 to right seat 350/77X maybe. Sounds fine and dandy until until they have their first flight across the poles to ORD in the middle of winter or to PEK for the first time. It was tried before in another nearby airline and they got away with it, just, thanks in no part to the existing demographic of more experienced FOs as well as a well established training and procedural systems in place. Even so the experiment was not repeated.
RIA will not have such a luxury, A350/77X pilots will consist of well seasoned wide body types, not boys from some low cost carrier strapping around their backyard in a bug smasher.
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Some on this thread alluded to the fact that EU short haul captains moved to ME 3 on wide bodies and were successful. In fact it was the opposite. It was an unmitigated failure that has caused a lot of headache for the airlines. Some stopped the proccess and required narrowbody captains to go to the right seat for a while.
Whatever the outcome there will be a huge increase in the number of jobs available in Saudi in the comming decade and someone will have to fill them.
Whatever the outcome there will be a huge increase in the number of jobs available in Saudi in the comming decade and someone will have to fill them.
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Got an agenda there, allaru and Airmann?
Majors such as British airways have upgraded hundreds direct to long haul command, with no prior WB experience, over the course of decades. It's not rocket science for a well briefed, capable and experienced SH Captain. A few egos have inflated along with the fuselage diameter here ("bug smasher, back yard"?)
(TT; ex WB P1, before you ask)
Majors such as British airways have upgraded hundreds direct to long haul command, with no prior WB experience, over the course of decades. It's not rocket science for a well briefed, capable and experienced SH Captain. A few egos have inflated along with the fuselage diameter here ("bug smasher, back yard"?)
(TT; ex WB P1, before you ask)
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Exactly. I've flown 8 hours block time across the Atlantic in my bug smasher and I'm pretty sure it dosent get more complicated with the increase in seat rows, in fact I regularly complain its easier on the body and mind to fly transatlantic than to fly from the UK to TFS or AYT and back in the same day
And it's Captains only, simply because the Saudi's will comfortably have enough of their own F/O's.
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I’m afraid you’re using logic and an open mind. Most people in the west are quite the opposite, in fact they’re very bigoted. If you read previous comments online and on this forum, the bigot minded westerners are narrow minded towards alcohol free practice in Saudi. What they fail to realise is that Saudi is no longer as strict as it used to be. They are working towards a more liberal way of living to align themselves with western values. RIA will not be an alcohol free airline, and it will be a matter of time until prostitution will be widespread in the Saudi kingdom. Those who follow world politics will know that there is a major world shift of power on the horizon. Oil is beginning to run out in Saudi and the US dollars is protected against the worldwide oil sale. There are actually more dollars outside of US than inside the country. China and India will lead the way towards a new super power stretch and Western alliances will be stuck in slow economies and a wider gap between the rich and the poor. RIA with its treasure chest will tap into a world market including a futuristic city, islands in the Red Sea and layover breaks in a very modern western set up. I will be extremely surprised if Etihad survive the competition in the next 10 years. A merger with Emirates will be inevitable.
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These individuals are discussing an airline that has not even been formally announced. People are making uninformed guesses about who will move, what type of aircraft they will use, etc.
Pilots with a chip on their shoulder consider WB flight to be equivalent to rocket science. I'm glad and hopeful that I won't ever have to share a flight deck with super pilots like Allaru who are very good at what they do.
Saudis are well capable of transitioning to RIA, but only time will tell how everything pans out.
As an aviator, a degree of modesty and humility would be quite desirable.
With the aforesaid mentality, please do not visit Saudi Arabia, yet your egos will still submit a CV and join RIA.
My 2cents
Pilots with a chip on their shoulder consider WB flight to be equivalent to rocket science. I'm glad and hopeful that I won't ever have to share a flight deck with super pilots like Allaru who are very good at what they do.
Saudis are well capable of transitioning to RIA, but only time will tell how everything pans out.
As an aviator, a degree of modesty and humility would be quite desirable.
With the aforesaid mentality, please do not visit Saudi Arabia, yet your egos will still submit a CV and join RIA.
My 2cents
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With the PIF's major unveiling of the new King Salman Airport today, http://saudigazette.com.sa/article/627415.
Haters will continue to hate.
Bring it on, I say.
exciting future for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Haters will continue to hate.
Bring it on, I say.
exciting future for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
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Where i am, people are being upgraded after 6 months in the company something unheard of. There is no such a thing as forecasting or analyzing anymore the world has changed and history is being written but great forum discussions is always welcome.
Have a good one guys
Have a good one guys
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"Tony Douglas departs as CEO of new Saudi airline RIA after just 2 months"
https://www.arabianbusiness.com/indu...-just-2-months
https://www.arabianbusiness.com/indu...-just-2-months
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kungfu panda in 2022, 20 wide body local captains and 16 first officers resigned, that golden pension isn’t enough to keep the younger generation. However they did delay changing the pension from government to private for another 2 years.
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Given that approximately 732 million people in India do not have access to a proper lavatory (Europe,s pop 746million ) . I would say Indian IT development should be somewhat secondary in the grand scheme of things and yes, also in my experience, the quality of both software and personnel is patchy at best …
I think China has sufficient loos but woefully inadequate waste water systems . No idea about Saudi but hopefully the “long drop” hole in the floor model is being modified and cleaned up
I think China has sufficient loos but woefully inadequate waste water systems . No idea about Saudi but hopefully the “long drop” hole in the floor model is being modified and cleaned up
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This is outright racist and a big lie. China is already a superpower & India has established itself as an IT powerhouse. And you are using your smartphone and Internet courtesy Indian software developers. As for loos, please travel once to India and see the transformation, or else you will retain the same snake charmer image of the country that Western propagandist bandy about. 220 million Covid doses were administored in India mostly made within the country. Saudi Arabia is witnessing a transformation of a scale unknown in recent history. I know because I am a frequent visitor. So give them time and good things will emerge.
“India has established itself as an IT powerhouse”…… That’s brilliant.
I’ve spent 10 years in the ME and all they have is Indian IT ‘specialists’ and it’s been the worst IT experience of my life. All the good IT guys to the US, the rest go to the ME.