Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Middle East
Reload this Page >

ME3 hiring 1900 pilots?

Middle East Many expats still flying in Knoteetingham. Regional issues can be discussed here.

ME3 hiring 1900 pilots?

Old 22nd May 2019, 12:30
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: South Africa
Posts: 31
ME3 hiring 1900 pilots?

I heard from the grapevine that Emirates has hired guys who only had B1900 time to go onto their jets, is this true?
Leroy Stanley is offline  
Old 22nd May 2019, 17:23
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: overthere
Posts: 2,873
The good ones had B1900 time.
donpizmeov is offline  
Old 22nd May 2019, 18:58
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Up north
Posts: 1,607
Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
The good ones had B1900 time.
Hahaha.....
CaptainProp is offline  
Old 22nd May 2019, 23:27
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Doomadgee
Posts: 372
The best ones had piston radial time.
Capn Rex Havoc is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 03:09
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: earth
Posts: 1,041
.... and their cadets have neither. Good combination for the future!
The weekly reports tell a story ....
glofish is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 07:35
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 2,245
Originally Posted by glofish View Post
.... and their cadets have neither.
The weekly reports tell a story ....
For those without access to the weekly report, did such report confirm that EK hired people with B1900 time or are cadets from a pipeline starting to be added to the pilot group ?

bafanguy is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 07:49
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Korea
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
For those without access to the weekly report, did such report confirm that EK hired people with B1900 time or are cadets from a pipeline starting to be added to the pilot group ?
Insufficient to prove.
Tasyery is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 09:02
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: earth
Posts: 1,041
No. The reports just portray elementary mishaps related to low experience on heavies with that kind of engagement field. Too many in my view.
The step from low hour prop directly onto B777 and even more A380 is a challenge that would require a lot more training that the company does not provide.
glofish is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 09:36
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Surrounded by aluminum, and the great outdoors
Posts: 3,789
Originally Posted by glofish View Post
No. The reports just portray elementary mishaps related to low experience on heavies with that kind of engagement field. Too many in my view.
The step from low hour prop directly onto B777 and even more A380 is a challenge that would require a lot more training that the company does not provide.
you might be surprised, I'll wager a bet the turboprop pilot has much better handling skills, and raw data approach flying...
ironbutt57 is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 10:28
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Internet
Posts: 32
Yes probably better at both so let’s get lots more, great plan!


But ...........unfortunately that’s not what we do most of the time!

If you’re down to manual handling and doing raw data then you’ll probably be quite stressed!
When stress increases we naturally revert to past experience, if past experience is just light turbo props flying manually and being epic at flying a raw data approach it ain’t going to help much!
You’ll be relying on the person next to you to carry you. If that person hasn’t got much experience (as is becoming increasingly common) it could go pear shaped even quicker!
Everyone has to start somewhere but remember we fly worldwide so the learning process is much longer and more complex than most turboprop guys will have been used too. Having some really experienced pilots next to you helps immensely as you learn the ropes. The problem is that EK doesn’t seem to appreciate this - but that’s another thread!
Pif Paf is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 10:28
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: earth
Posts: 1,041
Originally Posted by ironbutt57 View Post
you might be surprised, I'll wager a bet the turboprop pilot has much better handling skills, and raw data approach flying...
Well, after more than 15 years around here there's not much surprising me no more. You're not wrong, but i did not question specific handling skills, i stated: "elementary mishaps related to low experience on heavies with that kind of engagement field".
And i guess you'd agree with me that sitting in the back, we'd like a minimum of both ....
(you just beat me Pif Paf!)
glofish is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 12:43
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Surrounded by aluminum, and the great outdoors
Posts: 3,789
Originally Posted by glofish View Post
Well, after more than 15 years around here there's not much surprising me no more. You're not wrong, but i did not question specific handling skills, i stated: "elementary mishaps related to low experience on heavies with that kind of engagement field".
And i guess you'd agree with me that sitting in the back, we'd like a minimum of both ....
(you just beat me Pif Paf!)

yah well of course since you blokes probably did your solo circuits in a 777, no turboprop pilot could possibly make the grade...it would stand to reason if one can take a 200hr ab initio pilot and qualify them, an experienced turboprop pilot probably wouldnt have many issues..dont try to make yourselves look more important than you are,
ironbutt57 is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 15:04
  #13 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: South Africa
Posts: 31
Originally Posted by ironbutt57 View Post
yah well of course since you blokes probably did your solo circuits in a 777, no turboprop pilot could possibly make the grade...it would stand to reason if one can take a 200hr ab initio pilot and qualify them, an experienced turboprop pilot probably wouldnt have many issues..dont try to make yourselves look more important than you are,
This is exactly what I was thinking, a 200hr cadet is a better pilot than a 1500hr B1900 FO? With regards to this thread, I wasn't asking if ME3 have hired guys straight from B1900's, I personally know of B1900 pilots who got called in by ME3 & offered a contract. I'm more asking about the state of employment at ME3, since B1900 guys have gotten accepted for a 777 type rating and employment.
Leroy Stanley is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 16:18
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: earth
Posts: 1,041
Originally Posted by Leroy Stanley View Post
This is exactly what I was thinking, a 200hr cadet is a better pilot than a 1500hr B1900 FO? With regards to this thread, I wasn't asking if ME3 have hired guys straight from B1900's, I personally know of B1900 pilots who got called in by ME3 & offered a contract. I'm more asking about the state of employment at ME3, since B1900 guys have gotten accepted for a 777 type rating and employment.
Reading still seems to be a major problem on here ....
I stated: "The step from low hour prop directly onto B777 and even more A380 is a challenge that would require a lot more training that the company does not provide".
Certainly B1900 pilots got offers, because the desired jet experienced pilots from 737/320 no longer apply, too unattractive the conditions for them. Cadets have to be employed here due to national pride, they however get a lot more training. If you would have read all the relevant threads, you would discover that i have always criticised this zero to hero career in favour of a step via FlyDubai 737. That would resemble logical, classic careers (and not what the butt stupidly invoked with his 777 circuits).
But making the same multiple step omitting incorporation of more foreign pilots, with very variable backgrounds, WITHOUT adapting the training syllabus comprehensively is what we criticise. They can all be potential astronauts with their skills, i didn't doubt that, but give them the training, steps, hours and exposure. If not, its the skippers on the front who have to deal with some lack of assistance and the soon to be skippers from the new lot will not even realise no more this lack of assistance.
You can blame the messenger and try to ridicule his contributions as much as you trump, the problem will not go away!
glofish is offline  
Old 24th May 2019, 01:00
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Canada
Age: 36
Posts: 420
Originally Posted by ironbutt57 View Post
you might be surprised, I'll wager a bet the turboprop pilot has much better handling skills, and raw data approach flying...
I agree with you about the handling skills and raw data. I had 3000h of b1900d and king air flying in africa when i flew my first jet (a CRJ). My hand flying has always been appreciated however a jet is a different beast. I wish I had actually only flown jets maybe if I had started my career as a Cadet somewhere. There is much more to manage. In a prop you have time to take a nap during an approach and correct your profile without difficulty. In a jet things happen a lot quicker and you'd better be way ahead of the plane.

Today i fly the b737ng and max and i find it even more challenging than the CRJ.

I think any pilot should do his best to really know his aircraft, hand fly it, know how to use the automation etc...any pilot has to put in the work and study, practice etc....a good 1900 pilot won't necessarily be a good 737 pilot.

We have cadets coming on the 737 with 200h and they are doing a great job because they want to learn and work hard.

Jumbo744 is offline  
Old 24th May 2019, 07:03
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: xxx
Posts: 63
TP pilots

Originally Posted by glofish View Post
Reading still seems to be a major problem on here ....
I stated: "The step from low hour prop directly onto B777 and even more A380 is a challenge that would require a lot more training that the company does not provide".
Certainly B1900 pilots got offers, because the desired jet experienced pilots from 737/320 no longer apply, too unattractive the conditions for them. Cadets have to be employed here due to national pride, they however get a lot more training. If you would have read all the relevant threads, you would discover that i have always criticised this zero to hero career in favour of a step via FlyDubai 737. That would resemble logical, classic careers (and not what the butt stupidly invoked with his 777 circuits).
But making the same multiple step omitting incorporation of more foreign pilots, with very variable backgrounds, WITHOUT adapting the training syllabus comprehensively is what we criticise. They can all be potential astronauts with their skills, i didn't doubt that, but give them the training, steps, hours and exposure. If not, its the skippers on the front who have to deal with some lack of assistance and the soon to be skippers from the new lot will not even realise no more this lack of assistance.
You can blame the messenger and try to ridicule his contributions as much as you trump, the problem will not go away!
interesting to see how jet pilots think over TP pilots
with no offense but most speaking about how bad TP pilots are u canít be any more wrong
if u hire TP pilots from proper companyís they will have it way easier to fly a jet then u think
manual handling skills are by far better and if u think they can be lazy during an approach because it is so much slower only shows u never fly a a TP
most modern TP use HGS for cat 3a and have to switch of the autopilot at 1000ft to finish of a CAT 3
during eng fail conditions u can only switch on the AP at accel alt because of it limitations
have u ever thought whatís the appr speed of a TP ?
the recent ones range around 130 to 135 it and at point anti ice is not on yet which in some cases is another 20kt on top
so pleae donít tell me itís the speed, the appr cap, or the weight all of these arguments are utter bs
there is nothing what canít be learned as lr or Ulr is a different. Ops - there is only one factor do you as a trainer trainer to succees or check to death
the attitude I can read here is just pre judgments and nothing else
TP pilot donít need extra training or something else they just like u need a normal training - most off u judging here had the luck to start at a company which gave proper training and then u came to ek - ek does not teach does check only and pre judge on statistics nothing else
WB1900 is offline  
Old 24th May 2019, 07:16
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Runcorn,Cheshire,England
Posts: 327
Originally Posted by WB1900 View Post

interesting to see how jet pilots think over TP pilots
with no offense but most speaking about how bad TP pilots are u canít be any more wrong
if u hire TP pilots from proper companyís they will have it way easier to fly a jet then u think
manual handling skills are by far better and if u think they can be lazy during an approach because it is so much slower only shows u never fly a a TP
most modern TP use HGS for cat 3a and have to switch of the autopilot at 1000ft to finish of a CAT 3
during eng fail conditions u can only switch on the AP at accel alt because of it limitations
have u ever thought whatís the appr speed of a TP ?
the recent ones range around 130 to 135 it and at point anti ice is not on yet which in some cases is another 20kt on top
so pleae donít tell me itís the speed, the appr cap, or the weight all of these arguments are utter bs
there is nothing what canít be learned as lr or Ulr is a different. Ops - there is only one factor do you as a trainer trainer to succees or check to death
the attitude I can read here is just pre judgments and nothing else
TP pilot donít need extra training or something else they just like u need a normal training - most off u judging here had the luck to start at a company which gave proper training and then u came to ek - ek does not teach does check only and pre judge on statistics nothing else
mate, I canít understand any of what youíre trying to say here. The spelling, grammar and teenage text abbreviations are undermining what youíre trying to say.
3Greens is offline  
Old 24th May 2019, 08:55
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: xxx
Posts: 63
And your answer makes the points
Apparently u are a native speaker and as long somebody is off being perfect to your way u not give it a chance - thatís ok for me and I accept your critics over my writing
but it also symbolizes the facts which are obvious here
ĄIf you are not perfect you wonít get a chance because I am so much better than youď - this is exactly what the discussion over TP pilots is. Again they come from a different operation which has its own little difficulties and cannot be judged by somebody not having done it before.
The discussion here is purely about finding the failures of others and ranting over the bad thing rather than helping each other to achieve a target - a very typical ek thing and
there is no worse thing than Ąi donít want toď
and the point is: i would never deny somebodies arguments over the writing in my language because it wasnít perfect - shows also a certain mind set which contributes to the stated Argument.
as I said before it needs training and not checking until u fail
WB1900 is offline  
Old 24th May 2019, 08:59
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Top of the World
Posts: 137
Originally Posted by ironbutt57 View Post
you might be surprised, I'll wager a bet the turboprop pilot has much better handling skills, and raw data approach flying...
The point you're missing is that you will never conduct a raw data approach at EK and therefore this skill you're trying to assert is about as relevant as a Starbucks barista. The events being seen on the line are from lack of operational experience, lack of intelligence, and lack of training; all leading to some poor decisions and inappropriate reactions from an overworked, disengaged workforce.

Flying is about managing abnormals from point of initiation to a successful debrief. If you divert an A380 over the Himalayas into ZWWW, the stakeholders don't want to hear about little Timmy's manual handling skills for Christ's sake.

The quality of candidates coming into the industry, not just EK, has dramatically lowered over the last decade. The root cause being the ever increasing pressure on yields from a sustained competition far removed from economic reality whilst matching industry growth.

No-one gives a damn about your TP. Just not for the reasons you think, which ironically highlights the problem.
Xulu is offline  
Old 24th May 2019, 09:07
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Runcorn,Cheshire,England
Posts: 327
Originally Posted by WB1900 View Post
And your answer makes the points
Apparently u are a native speaker and as long somebody is off being perfect to your way u not give it a chance - that’s ok for me and I accept your critics over my writing
but it also symbolizes the facts which are obvious here
„If you are not perfect you won’t get a chance because I am so much better than you“ - this is exactly what the discussion over TP pilots is. Again they come from a different operation which has its own little difficulties and cannot be judged by somebody not having done it before.
The discussion here is purely about finding the failures of others and ranting over the bad thing rather than helping each other to achieve a target - a very typical ek thing and
there is no worse thing than „i don’t want to“
and the point is: i would never deny somebodies arguments over the writing in my language because it wasn’t perfect - shows also a certain mind set which contributes to the stated Argument.
as I said before it needs training and not checking until u fail
I’m sorry but you lost me again with immature text speak and what has now turned into some sort of rant. I fully appreciate English isn’t your first language, no problem at all. However, when you choose to make an emotionally charged post containing the letter “U” Instead of “you” on a subject thread about professional pilots and their backgrounds; I’m afraid your valid points just get dismissed as a teenage snowflake tantrum.
3Greens is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.