Emirates package
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Emirates package
Considering leaving my airline in the UK. Have looked at the Emirates site and examined the package and have a few q's...
i) Are the monthly figures quoted exclusive/inclusive of allowances?
ii) If so what is the allowances sytem - slip specific or an hourly rate?
iii) I have a girlfriend and we are not married - would she be entitled to accomodation with me? If not is renting expensive?
iv) What are the International schools like?
If anyone out there has any answers or pertinent information I would really appreciate it.
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Bronco
i) Are the monthly figures quoted exclusive/inclusive of allowances?
ii) If so what is the allowances sytem - slip specific or an hourly rate?
iii) I have a girlfriend and we are not married - would she be entitled to accomodation with me? If not is renting expensive?
iv) What are the International schools like?
If anyone out there has any answers or pertinent information I would really appreciate it.
Cheers
Bronco
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What you see is what you get my friend!
1) No extra allowances, except for meal allowances. Meal allowances paid over the counter at check in, at the hotel. Allowance is just enough for meals, after discount at the hotels. Allowances over the eight years I have been here, have kept coming down.
2)NO, it is illegal for your "girlfriend" to live with you. Only your wife. And no, I am not joking.
3)Rent is very expensive. eg a descent apartment will cost anywhere from 60,000dhs upwards, per annum.
4) International schools, are almost paid for by the company. 21000dhs per annum for junior school and 39000 dhs for secondary school. You will however have to pay for ALL EXTRA SCHOOL ACTIVITIES YOURSELF. Schools here charge these prices for education only. Sports, music etc... is your expense.
5)As a single chap, your salary is sufficient. Anything else but single and you will pay.
In the past I have posted many and extensive posts on this subject of conditions and remuneration with Emirates. I thought one more time wont do any more harm, even though I have grown tired of the same thing over and over again. So this is the only answer on this subject ever. Cynical? Yes!! Why? Welcome to Emirates!!
1) No extra allowances, except for meal allowances. Meal allowances paid over the counter at check in, at the hotel. Allowance is just enough for meals, after discount at the hotels. Allowances over the eight years I have been here, have kept coming down.
2)NO, it is illegal for your "girlfriend" to live with you. Only your wife. And no, I am not joking.
3)Rent is very expensive. eg a descent apartment will cost anywhere from 60,000dhs upwards, per annum.
4) International schools, are almost paid for by the company. 21000dhs per annum for junior school and 39000 dhs for secondary school. You will however have to pay for ALL EXTRA SCHOOL ACTIVITIES YOURSELF. Schools here charge these prices for education only. Sports, music etc... is your expense.
5)As a single chap, your salary is sufficient. Anything else but single and you will pay.
In the past I have posted many and extensive posts on this subject of conditions and remuneration with Emirates. I thought one more time wont do any more harm, even though I have grown tired of the same thing over and over again. So this is the only answer on this subject ever. Cynical? Yes!! Why? Welcome to Emirates!!
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Thanks Check six, have performed the search and read extensively the various pros and cons. It looks like you boys didn't get the pay deal you were hoping for recently. Trust me I know the feeling - no decent pay deal at the large BRITISH AIRline I'm working for.
Like others had envisaged the pay to be better and didn't appreciate inflation in UAE. Last in Dubai 2 years ago and had a hoot, ex army brat myself so like the ex pat lifestyle. Just tried to apply on the web site but site threw a tantrum - will try again tomorrow.
By the way I have 2700 TT, ex cadet on B757/767. Seems a bit lowly compared to some of the guys banding about 10000 hrs 2000 PIC etc. If I get through the application will I sit in a pool forever - am I wasting my time?
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ps have one for me next time you're at the Creek Golf Club or DIMC.
Like others had envisaged the pay to be better and didn't appreciate inflation in UAE. Last in Dubai 2 years ago and had a hoot, ex army brat myself so like the ex pat lifestyle. Just tried to apply on the web site but site threw a tantrum - will try again tomorrow.
By the way I have 2700 TT, ex cadet on B757/767. Seems a bit lowly compared to some of the guys banding about 10000 hrs 2000 PIC etc. If I get through the application will I sit in a pool forever - am I wasting my time?
Cheers
ps have one for me next time you're at the Creek Golf Club or DIMC.
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What C6 says is right.
However a lot of unmarried couples do live together and the authorities don't go out of their way to sling you in the nick. In my 12 years in DXB I've only heard of one unmarried couple ending up in the slammer and that was in Sharjah (her husband reported her and boyfriend to the police!). It is still against the law though, so beware.
Re allowances, they are based on cost of eating in the hotel and they have come down as EK negoiates discounts etc, however you virtually never eat in the hotel and I always come back with change. But I wouldn't count on it boosting my salary.
Good luck. I'd recommended it to anyone - but personally have had enough now. I would think LONG AND HARD about leaving your national carrier though.
However a lot of unmarried couples do live together and the authorities don't go out of their way to sling you in the nick. In my 12 years in DXB I've only heard of one unmarried couple ending up in the slammer and that was in Sharjah (her husband reported her and boyfriend to the police!). It is still against the law though, so beware.
Re allowances, they are based on cost of eating in the hotel and they have come down as EK negoiates discounts etc, however you virtually never eat in the hotel and I always come back with change. But I wouldn't count on it boosting my salary.
Good luck. I'd recommended it to anyone - but personally have had enough now. I would think LONG AND HARD about leaving your national carrier though.
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A lot of info on EK around the forum, but no one mentions the critical shortage of school places in Dubai. A pilot with kids has the biggest problem with finding a school for his kids. Perhaps one will be available, but you may soon find that it is not what you or your kids expected. Trying to get a place in another (better) school is nigh impossible. Good secondary schools are even rarer than primary schools. Consider this problem seriously!
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All my colleagues above and in the past are once again correct in their statements. The schooling shortage is definately a problem and one that is increasing.
Your hours "Bronco" are well within the requirements, irrespective of who you compare yourself to. In addition the requirements are going to be reduced. As to what, I do not know. However that should make you think as to why? So dont worry about that too much.
If you are with the national carrier, do yourself a big favour and stay where you are. The grass is not greener on this side, it's sand.( A Quote from another colleagues personal signature)
All the best to you and your career.
Ciao
Your hours "Bronco" are well within the requirements, irrespective of who you compare yourself to. In addition the requirements are going to be reduced. As to what, I do not know. However that should make you think as to why? So dont worry about that too much.
If you are with the national carrier, do yourself a big favour and stay where you are. The grass is not greener on this side, it's sand.( A Quote from another colleagues personal signature)
All the best to you and your career.
Ciao
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Hi,
Talking about the Emirates package, I would appreciate it if someone in the sand could tell me what are the best things to bring out from home on joining. I understand that the houses are fully furnished, but if you have nice furniture, clocks etc at home, do you find that most people get them shipped out, or is it all best left at home. What about the computer? Better to bring it over or is it cheap in DXB to buy a new one? How long does it take to get online and how long to get your driving license and a car to get mobile.
A million questions I know, but it would help all the newbies over the next couple of years if someone could start a topic with useful info like this.
Many thanks
GQ
Talking about the Emirates package, I would appreciate it if someone in the sand could tell me what are the best things to bring out from home on joining. I understand that the houses are fully furnished, but if you have nice furniture, clocks etc at home, do you find that most people get them shipped out, or is it all best left at home. What about the computer? Better to bring it over or is it cheap in DXB to buy a new one? How long does it take to get online and how long to get your driving license and a car to get mobile.
A million questions I know, but it would help all the newbies over the next couple of years if someone could start a topic with useful info like this.
Many thanks
GQ
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My advice would be bring everything you own, and make the decision about what you need when you get here. You will have little trouble selling it here if you find you don't need it. Bear in mind the company furniture is cr*p and it is exactly the same as your neighbours. It also a bare minimum. The villa you get will probably be fairly large, so it will look quite empty with only the company stuff in it. Everything you bring with you is one thing you don't have to spend money on when you get here. And believe me that is a big deal when you are trying to run a family here on an F/O's salary.
As for the other stuff, you can't do anything until you have your residence visa. That took a month for me, but may be quicker now. Computers are well priced here, but it helps if you know what you are looking at. As for the car, you can buy one as soon as you have a visa, but you will most likely get ripped off. Most new vehicles depreciate dramatically over the first few years, so you are probably better off buying 2nd hand. If you have the patience, wait until after you have finished transition when you will have more time, and have met enough people to steer you in the right direction.
As for the other stuff, you can't do anything until you have your residence visa. That took a month for me, but may be quicker now. Computers are well priced here, but it helps if you know what you are looking at. As for the car, you can buy one as soon as you have a visa, but you will most likely get ripped off. Most new vehicles depreciate dramatically over the first few years, so you are probably better off buying 2nd hand. If you have the patience, wait until after you have finished transition when you will have more time, and have met enough people to steer you in the right direction.
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I'd say bring along your computer - why bother buying and setting up a new one and leaving the old one unused at home to get older and slower?
You can get connection for your mobilephone after a couple of days as far as I know (Emirates will provide a letter so you can apply even before you have your residence-visa).
Internet - might be faster now too (sorry - no exact info) - used to be once you have your visa. But otherwise there is always the possibility of "Dial n'surf" - a little more expensive (9 Dhs compared to 2 if you are signed up) - but workes pretty well.
Don't bother to bring to much hairshampoo, shavingcream, toothpaste ... as most common brands are available. (don't laugh - I did. Having no clue how Dubai is before I came here...).
Have fun - have a look - and then you'll know!
CU!
You can get connection for your mobilephone after a couple of days as far as I know (Emirates will provide a letter so you can apply even before you have your residence-visa).
Internet - might be faster now too (sorry - no exact info) - used to be once you have your visa. But otherwise there is always the possibility of "Dial n'surf" - a little more expensive (9 Dhs compared to 2 if you are signed up) - but workes pretty well.
Don't bother to bring to much hairshampoo, shavingcream, toothpaste ... as most common brands are available. (don't laugh - I did. Having no clue how Dubai is before I came here...).
Have fun - have a look - and then you'll know!
CU!
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. . . Heinz Salad cream, can't seem to find Heinz Salad cream any more, really ! Oh and St Dalfour, sugar free jam, the nice French stuff that goes well with a Ryvita. Cannot find that any more either . . . . seriously !
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Heinz Salad cream
A colleague of ours has searched high and low for the ellusive Heinz salad cream and we now have it on good authority that you can get it at SAFESTWAY off Shk Zayed Hwy after defence Roundabout!!! Enjoy!!!!! 
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union ?
Reading the post about allowances getting smaller. Is there any union representing the EK pilots interests? Reg salary steps, allowances, individual protection etc?
I´m on my way joining EK, but get a little cautious hearing the school problems. They never mentioned it being that hard getting a place for the kids.
I´m on my way joining EK, but get a little cautious hearing the school problems. They never mentioned it being that hard getting a place for the kids.