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Are all pilots @ EK so unhappy?

Old 9th Sep 2014, 19:54
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Is there any truth to the rumour that of the 8 days off a month that you are entitled to at EK, a few can be given while you are on a day off on duty outside of Dubai, i.e. outstation?
I imagine legally, yes.

But in practice you get at least 8 days off in Dubai, and usually more.
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Old 10th Sep 2014, 09:40
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There is a rostering rule to give you at least 8 days in Dubai, as a I understand it. You can't reduce that in Eswap either.
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Old 10th Sep 2014, 17:15
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You get 8 days off in DXB, unless temp based away - eg. outsourced training course.
However, your weekly day off (2 local nights in 7) can be at a layover port.
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Old 10th Sep 2014, 17:56
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Pay and Benefits Shortage
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Old 11th Sep 2014, 11:59
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Happy or unhappy ....( Add your colours to the mix) ...any one done the survey ? Have they sent this before? Personally never saw such thing before ?
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Old 13th Sep 2014, 08:09
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From what I see...... Pilots are unhappy in all the Airlines !


Hence proved !

There is no good Airline in the world

Probably just in a fairy tale....
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Old 13th Sep 2014, 14:29
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Bushbaby. Good points. EK Clinic now cares for around 17300 Cabin Crew 4000 or so Pilots, Numerous managers and dependents. Of course, some have gone out of the clinic but the numbers increase. Morale is at rock bottom and is drilling down further. There is one SVP, qualified as a nurse (but doesn't practice). 3VPs (rumours of a fourth for 3 people) A Clinic Operations Manager (a non practicing Nurse), Two senior administrators. All for around 180 staff. Please note that the clinic doesn't generate income for EK.

Oh, I forgot. If you consider everything with part timers and others who do speciality clinics, they are around 22 doctors. A senior AME just got poached for double the money at EY. The docs were informed (via a corporate comms mail) of the two new docs joining

The management of the clinic are amazing communicators. Not.
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Old 13th Sep 2014, 14:36
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Bushbaby. Good points. EK Clinic now cares for around 17300 Cabin Crew 4000 or so Pilots, Numerous managers and dependents. Of course, some have gone out of the clinic but the numbers increase. Morale is at rock bottom and is drilling down further. There is one SVP, qualified as a nurse (but doesn't practice). 3VPs (rumours of a fourth for 3 people) A Clinic Operations Manager (a non practicing Nurse), Two senior administrators. All for around 180 staff. Please note that the clinic doesn't generate income for EK.

Oh, I forgot. If you consider everything with part timers and others who do speciality clinics, they are around 22 doctors. A senior AME just got poached for double the money at EY. The docs were informed (via a corporate comms mail) of the two new docs joining

The management of the clinic are amazing communicators. Not.
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Old 15th Sep 2014, 15:17
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Hi!
Is it truth,that EK provides:Accommodation,Education?Or there is a commercial trick?
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 19:55
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White Knight I do believe you are full of manure. You said everyone you come across is happy and you probably believe that. You also said you don't know any Americans that are leaving. 13 pilots left the company last month. I have moved up 36 positions this year alone and I don't know how many pilots left junior to me. Every American I have talked to have their applications in at US majors. If you tell yourself you are happy over and over you will not notice how things have detoriated at Emirates and that might be a good thing for you. I prefer to be a realist.
13 pilots left the company last month. I have moved up 36 positions this year alone and I don't know how many pilots left junior to me.

Gosh Cerbus, I didn't realise how junior you are... Going up 36 places!!! Wow! I must be far more senior 'cos my number hasn't risen by more than about 15... And no, I'm not full of manure, just say how it is!!!! Not EVERY American I'VE flown with is looking to head Stateside... But then again, JD fleet looking to do all of the sh1t flying, can't blame your bum-chums...
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Old 18th Sep 2014, 11:38
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There is finally a bad time to join EK?

Because seems to be a bad place to work now, all the people writing in that forum hate the company, the schedule, the planes, the salary, the accommodation, the transport,...
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Old 18th Sep 2014, 12:07
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Oscar84 do not read and believe everything you see here...

Most pilots don't bother with PPRuNe.. I am a lurker mostly myself but I have decided to write something of my personal experience.

I am about 4 years in EK and mostly very happy. Been on the littlebus for 2 years now and another 2 on the fatbus.
It always depends on where you are coming from I suppose but for me this the best job that I could have..
Rosters on the fatbus are really good and paywise I get 3 times more than before..


I really dislike the negative atmosphere of PPRuNe but trust me not everybody is like this..
Sure about 50% of the people I fly with have something negative to say about the company but its not all that bad..
I always compare from back home and I still think its a great company to work for..
As for people leaving about 200+ have left in my 4 years..

Sure it might not be the glorious golden years of the past but I have never experienced them in the first place so I cant compare...
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Old 18th Sep 2014, 16:18
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He's Greek and I have an idea that it's not so long ago that he was more or less 'paying to work' with an LCC. So he would be happy for now.
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Old 18th Sep 2014, 16:58
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"Our pay sucks, it's a fact. For a professional, international, expat pilot, it sucks."


Where has better TandC's? The reason I ask is I'll apply right away!
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Old 18th Sep 2014, 19:34
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Where has better TandC's?
Wasn't this done here a couple of weeks ago?

The thing is the bulk of this airlines crew are refugees from failed/failing and LC carriers, through timing/geography/personality or whatever they didn't get into what's left of the 'proper' airlines with the 'better Ts & Cs'. Apart from the US market it's too late for them now.

However this airline likes to promote itself as a serious rival to the 'real' airlines. As an employer it is not.
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Old 19th Sep 2014, 07:46
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Actually montencee it wasnt pay to fly but I was getting about the same as a GR2.... Atleast they payed for the type ratings

It mattered not.. it was the experience i needed for EK to open its doors to me which is all that counted...
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Old 19th Sep 2014, 10:23
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Why EK is still hiring people on the A330?

when they will remove these planes from the EK fleet?

I think they are wasting time&money doing this Type for the new joiners...
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Old 19th Sep 2014, 11:08
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I think all new joiners should go to the 330, and then progress from there. But what the hey, seniority, what's that mean?

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Old 19th Sep 2014, 11:32
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There's no option to go directly to the 380?

On the web they are looking people for direct entry to the big one...
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Old 19th Sep 2014, 12:47
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Oscar you don't understand the way EK recruitment works. There are no options, they tell you which fleet you are going on and you take it or leave it (hot tip- if it is the A330, leave it). They do hire directly onto the A380 if you meet minimum Airbus experience requirements. Recently they have had trouble finding people who are that experienced so have been hiring onto the A330 and moving people across. They hate doing that as it costs them more money but at least it respects seniority a little.
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