Are all pilots @ EK so unhappy?
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The forum discussion asks if all EK pilots are unhappy? I'm merely using actual evidence to answer that question.
People's view of this Company will be heavily biased towards many variables, the most obvious being and in no particular order;
1) Disciplinary record
2) Fleet type
3) Time and position within Company
4) Accommodation
5) Financial situation
6) Dubai. (Home for some, base to commute to for others)
7) Interests outside of work, sport, social.
8) Regular holidays/mini breaks from Dubai
9) Long term/short term view of EK career and previous airline conditions.
10) And perhaps the most important of all, domestic arrangements. Kids in the right school, happy wife, friends, family and support network.
This Company is by no means perfect. Still some punitive concerns but those have generally improved. I agree with a lot of the issues, but not all, stated in SS's post above. Sadly, many concerns and gripes could easily be corrected with little effort and no cost. However, in the majority of cases, there will always be factors other than EK that influence our opinion of this and any other job. The problem here is that so much of our lives are controlled by our employer. That lack of personal space and control is a major stressor for some.
It's important that people thinking of coming here recognise that fact.
People's view of this Company will be heavily biased towards many variables, the most obvious being and in no particular order;
1) Disciplinary record
2) Fleet type
3) Time and position within Company
4) Accommodation
5) Financial situation
6) Dubai. (Home for some, base to commute to for others)
7) Interests outside of work, sport, social.
8) Regular holidays/mini breaks from Dubai
9) Long term/short term view of EK career and previous airline conditions.
10) And perhaps the most important of all, domestic arrangements. Kids in the right school, happy wife, friends, family and support network.
This Company is by no means perfect. Still some punitive concerns but those have generally improved. I agree with a lot of the issues, but not all, stated in SS's post above. Sadly, many concerns and gripes could easily be corrected with little effort and no cost. However, in the majority of cases, there will always be factors other than EK that influence our opinion of this and any other job. The problem here is that so much of our lives are controlled by our employer. That lack of personal space and control is a major stressor for some.
It's important that people thinking of coming here recognise that fact.
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OTT,
Yet another anti American cheap shot from a country you come from called "Far Away"
As you noted we may not know English, Geography or History as well as other high school kids.
But rest assured we know the meaning of ally and loyalty to out partners .
The world sleeps safer at night because of our great nation...why don't you throw your lot in with Putin, ISIS and the China's nine dash line.
And if you are Kenyan my friend, based on initial reports, we got Ahmed Godane - the architect of Westgate - tonight. (And if we didn't we tried)
Simple challenge.
Name your country...or are you afraid?
Because we are not - never have been....and NEVER will be.
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Yet another anti American cheap shot from a country you come from called "Far Away"
As you noted we may not know English, Geography or History as well as other high school kids.
But rest assured we know the meaning of ally and loyalty to out partners .
The world sleeps safer at night because of our great nation...why don't you throw your lot in with Putin, ISIS and the China's nine dash line.
And if you are Kenyan my friend, based on initial reports, we got Ahmed Godane - the architect of Westgate - tonight. (And if we didn't we tried)
Simple challenge.
Name your country...or are you afraid?
Because we are not - never have been....and NEVER will be.
f.
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The world sleeps safer at night because of our great nation
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Name your country coward. And if you are from Malaysia - your welcome to the P8As that have searched for your flag carriers wreckage - or was that our fault too?
History not defined by the last 14 years.
Stalins Russia
Hitlers Germany
Mao's China
Pol Pots Cambodia
The list goes...now we are talking historic numbers
Don, Nothing childish about defending continued unprovoked anti -Americanism on this forum.
f.
Name your country coward. And if you are from Malaysia - your welcome to the P8As that have searched for your flag carriers wreckage - or was that our fault too?
History not defined by the last 14 years.
Stalins Russia
Hitlers Germany
Mao's China
Pol Pots Cambodia
The list goes...now we are talking historic numbers
Don, Nothing childish about defending continued unprovoked anti -Americanism on this forum.
f.
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Didn't think you would name your country - coward.
A good win for your team tonight...another American journalist beheaded.
Perhaps the Malay Air Force will protect Erbil & Yazidi again.
Shame on you if you are from a NATO country.
f.
A good win for your team tonight...another American journalist beheaded.
Perhaps the Malay Air Force will protect Erbil & Yazidi again.
Shame on you if you are from a NATO country.
f.
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...another American journalist beheaded.
No difference whatsoever for the poor relatives. I think your high horse is getting tired of you. Get off.
Fili... Seriously, before you call me a coward... you remind me of one of my flight instructors. What exactly did you do in the summer of '88? We might have met.
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Not the place.
What have the Romans ever done for us. Yes, cheap shots is a different forum. Here is not the place, and in fact gives any future comments you may make less credibility. HTC, as I believe you have alluded to, this is a different company depending on what fleet you are on. I look at my roster every month and wonder how EK expects me to do this. If it was a one off thing fine. However, month after month after month of midnight India in monsoon, flipping my schedule between day and night a dozen times every month. 8 maybe 9 days off every month. (Half of which are single days.) You do not work for this EK. I do, and its exhausting, and it sucks. So every little thing become an annoyance. Even down to the stupid flight bag. I loved my flight bag. I miss my flight bag. We were good friends for 20 years. This new thing is a giant murse with wheels. Its made for male pursers, not pilots. I remember when we got the 14 week profit share and there were people on here complaining it was not enough. There will always be those people. But a lot of us who are unhappy have very good reason. I do understand the happy people. If I was left seat 380 I would work for the "Happy" EK too. I could golf, see my kids, go boating for the weekend. Have a weekend. I never speak up in wash-ups because it is like pissing into the wind. At least for the big stuff. I think most people get this and just save their breath. How many times have you heard, "The schedules are going to get better." So to people reading this outside EK, understand which EK you will be working for when you apply. Understand when they tell you will be flying 70-75 hours a month with an average of 12-14 days off it could be true, or not. Yes I don't like it here. Yes I will be leaving when I get my ducks sorted. I wanted to stay here, but I also want to live past 52.
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Ha!
Moving from profound geopolitical accusations to a one off front page tabloid news story.
Your white flag is accepted...not the first for your nation I suspect.
Good night.
f.
Ha!
Moving from profound geopolitical accusations to a one off front page tabloid news story.
Your white flag is accepted...not the first for your nation I suspect.
Good night.
f.
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Hey fliion, its worthless to try to argue with Yank Haters. Let's abbreviate that Australian style and just call them "Yankers." Their feelings are deep rooted like how a 16 year old girl hates her father.
However, its fun to ask which paradise they call home. They never answer for obvious reasons. Every debate is instantly won when your opponent cannot answer a simple question.
Its sad these children take out their jealousy and hatred against their co-workers.
The best CRM in the cockpit is just to say, "Hey, you can hate my government, but you don't need to personally hate me"
However, its fun to ask which paradise they call home. They never answer for obvious reasons. Every debate is instantly won when your opponent cannot answer a simple question.
Its sad these children take out their jealousy and hatred against their co-workers.
The best CRM in the cockpit is just to say, "Hey, you can hate my government, but you don't need to personally hate me"
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The best CRM in the cockpit is just to say, "Hey, you can hate my government, but you don't need to personally hate me"
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@pilotday...lived through that at a previous employer...learned one important lesson:...never argue with a idiot...they have the home field advantage
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never argue with a idiot...they have the home field advantage
Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level where he will beat you through experience.
QED.
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I would like to thank everybody above for confirming my points with even more childish comments while hiding behind a veil of secrecy.
Airjet, EK was a good gig, but has always been a place for the un-hirable in their home country. The un-hirable make the best slaves.
Whether that be Ansett Scabs, DUI's, personality flaws, home country economy, home country is 3rd world etc etc..or even just pure greed, because EK does pay a lot better than most gigs when you figure a tax free salary.
It really gets the Yankers (Yank Haters) upset when you remind them that Emirates isn't British Airways or anything special you can retire to making your grandchildren proud, its a consolation prize for a failed career, whether by choice or bad luck.
If you are under age 35 with a clean record, it should be viewed as s stepping stone.
Airjet, EK was a good gig, but has always been a place for the un-hirable in their home country. The un-hirable make the best slaves.
Whether that be Ansett Scabs, DUI's, personality flaws, home country economy, home country is 3rd world etc etc..or even just pure greed, because EK does pay a lot better than most gigs when you figure a tax free salary.
It really gets the Yankers (Yank Haters) upset when you remind them that Emirates isn't British Airways or anything special you can retire to making your grandchildren proud, its a consolation prize for a failed career, whether by choice or bad luck.
If you are under age 35 with a clean record, it should be viewed as s stepping stone.
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Never argue with an idiot.
If you're so big on openness why don't you post under your real name?
And what made you unhirable in your home country, besides attitude and upbringing?
