Are all pilots @ EK so unhappy?
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It really gets the Yankers (Yank Haters) upset when you remind them that Emirates isn't British Airways or anything special you can retire to making your grandchildren proud, its a consolation prize for a failed career, whether by choice or bad luck.
They say form is temporary and class is permanent.
The First Officer basic salary is advertised as 25320AED monthly and the captain as 36140AED(figures from attending a roadshow a while ago)
Do these figures go up in any incremental with every year of service or do you stay on 25320AED basic until you eventually get a command and move to 36140AED?
Do these figures go up in any incremental with every year of service or do you stay on 25320AED basic until you eventually get a command and move to 36140AED?
ruserious thank you for your reply.
What happens when you get your command? Do you join the appropriate incremental on the captain payscale, for example year 7 if you have been a FO for 7 years, or do you start from the basic of 36140AED and then each year as a captain get the 3%?
With a 3% increase every year, a FO will eventually reach the captain's basic salary so it would make sense when you upgrade to 'jump' to the appropriate captain pay point correct?
What happens when you get your command? Do you join the appropriate incremental on the captain payscale, for example year 7 if you have been a FO for 7 years, or do you start from the basic of 36140AED and then each year as a captain get the 3%?
With a 3% increase every year, a FO will eventually reach the captain's basic salary so it would make sense when you upgrade to 'jump' to the appropriate captain pay point correct?
Neektu is the 'captains bar' the 36140AED Year 1 captain basic?
So if after 7 years you get your command, do you jump to Year 10 Captain or do you start at captain year 1 of 36140AED?
So if after 7 years you get your command, do you jump to Year 10 Captain or do you start at captain year 1 of 36140AED?
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You join on step 1 and are supposed to go up one step (3%) each year. When promoted to Capt you move a further 10 steps. The number of steps is limited and despite being contractual, if you don't screw up, the company has failed to pay it on occasion.
Sorry still not very clear. Based on what you guys have said i have constructed the following:
First Officer ------------------------ Captain
Step 1 - 25320AED ------------------Step 1 - 36140AED
Step 2 - 26080AED ------------------Step 2 - 37224AED
Step 3 - 26862AED ------------------Step 3 - 38341AED
Step 4 - 27668AED ------------------Step 4 - 39491AED
Step 5 - 28498AED ------------------Step 5 - 40676AED
Step 6 - 29353AED ------------------Step 6 - 41896AED
Step 7 - 30233AED ------------------Step 7 - 43153AED
Step 8 - 31140AED ------------------Step 8 - 44448AED
Step 9 - 32075AED ------------------Step 9 - 45781AED
Step 10 - 33037AED -----------------Step 10 - 47155AED
Step 11 - 34028AED -----------------Step 11 - 48569AED
Step 12 - 35049AED -----------------Step 12 - 50026AED
Step 13 - 36100AED -----------------Step 13 - 51527AED
I understand if i join as a First Officer i start on Step 1 of 25320AED and move up a Step every year until about Step 13 when i hit the ''captain's bar''. What happens if for example after 10 years when i am on Step 10 i get upgraded. Which Step from the above do i move onto.
Thanks for your help
First Officer ------------------------ Captain
Step 1 - 25320AED ------------------Step 1 - 36140AED
Step 2 - 26080AED ------------------Step 2 - 37224AED
Step 3 - 26862AED ------------------Step 3 - 38341AED
Step 4 - 27668AED ------------------Step 4 - 39491AED
Step 5 - 28498AED ------------------Step 5 - 40676AED
Step 6 - 29353AED ------------------Step 6 - 41896AED
Step 7 - 30233AED ------------------Step 7 - 43153AED
Step 8 - 31140AED ------------------Step 8 - 44448AED
Step 9 - 32075AED ------------------Step 9 - 45781AED
Step 10 - 33037AED -----------------Step 10 - 47155AED
Step 11 - 34028AED -----------------Step 11 - 48569AED
Step 12 - 35049AED -----------------Step 12 - 50026AED
Step 13 - 36100AED -----------------Step 13 - 51527AED
I understand if i join as a First Officer i start on Step 1 of 25320AED and move up a Step every year until about Step 13 when i hit the ''captain's bar''. What happens if for example after 10 years when i am on Step 10 i get upgraded. Which Step from the above do i move onto.
Thanks for your help
The Turtle you are a disgrace. I will tell you what it smells. It smells of someone who is considering the move to the ME from a European airbus operator and is trying to gather info about how my salary will progress. If you don't like that then **** *** and let the others help.
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trying to gather info about how my salary will progress
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Not only pilots are unhappy, but whole staff in EK.
This company died. These are just remains of a dead body.
And it seems to me that there are many EK bots on this forum, trying to improve the average of positive comments.
Whenever someone is writing "resign if you are not happy" or "you have to make your own happiness" you know it's a bot. They love to give to say this to you, it is their official policy, I think. Maybe one of th bots is Tim Clark himself. He is, probably, the only man happy in this company. Earning money on behalf his employees's misery. When he is passing stpc he doesn't even look at his staff, he doesn't say hello, he doesn't approach counter to check in himself. It gives pretty clear idea how the management sees us, isn't it?
And I liked when someone here said that there are many others in line waiting to work here, which gives to the management arrogant and self assured attitude. But this management is stupid id they think it is going to last. Not forever. Not even couple of years more. Resources are drained.
It should be Emirates plane in that 7500 movie, where all are dead but not knowing that.
This company died. These are just remains of a dead body.
And it seems to me that there are many EK bots on this forum, trying to improve the average of positive comments.
Whenever someone is writing "resign if you are not happy" or "you have to make your own happiness" you know it's a bot. They love to give to say this to you, it is their official policy, I think. Maybe one of th bots is Tim Clark himself. He is, probably, the only man happy in this company. Earning money on behalf his employees's misery. When he is passing stpc he doesn't even look at his staff, he doesn't say hello, he doesn't approach counter to check in himself. It gives pretty clear idea how the management sees us, isn't it?
And I liked when someone here said that there are many others in line waiting to work here, which gives to the management arrogant and self assured attitude. But this management is stupid id they think it is going to last. Not forever. Not even couple of years more. Resources are drained.
It should be Emirates plane in that 7500 movie, where all are dead but not knowing that.
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Off days
Is there any truth to the rumour that of the 8 days off a month that you are entitled to at EK, a few can be given while you are on a day off on duty outside of Dubai, i.e. outstation?
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Stable the steps are a bit of a mystery, they aren't published anywhere.
To clarify, every year the following may occur;
1) A step increase is awarded
2) The overall scale is increased
3) Combination of 1+2
4) No increase or step
When you get your command you jump 10 steps, however bare in mind the time to upgrade for new joiners now will be similar to most legacy carriers.
In general a step only will never match inflation, hence the comments about wage erosion. I just did the budget for 2014/15 and even with two incomes the rapidly increasing cost of living here is really starting to hurt. If you are currently on the Airbus you may be offered direct entry 380 which is a great gig in terms of lifestyle/rosters.
Feel free to pm if you want more info.
To clarify, every year the following may occur;
1) A step increase is awarded
2) The overall scale is increased
3) Combination of 1+2
4) No increase or step
When you get your command you jump 10 steps, however bare in mind the time to upgrade for new joiners now will be similar to most legacy carriers.
In general a step only will never match inflation, hence the comments about wage erosion. I just did the budget for 2014/15 and even with two incomes the rapidly increasing cost of living here is really starting to hurt. If you are currently on the Airbus you may be offered direct entry 380 which is a great gig in terms of lifestyle/rosters.
Feel free to pm if you want more info.
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Sam Ting Wong ,
For sure you are missing something...
Not all pilots in Europe and in America have the chance to work for a major airline.
Some of them are working for low cost , regional , small local companies or are even unemployed.
Some pilot working for regional companies earn in one year what a pilot in EK earn in less than 2 months.
This is only talking about wages but at EK they also get housing allowances or accomodation is provided , they receive school allowances for up to 3 children , medical insurance for them and all their family etc...
So maybe now it will make sense.
For sure you are missing something...
Not all pilots in Europe and in America have the chance to work for a major airline.
Some of them are working for low cost , regional , small local companies or are even unemployed.
Some pilot working for regional companies earn in one year what a pilot in EK earn in less than 2 months.
This is only talking about wages but at EK they also get housing allowances or accomodation is provided , they receive school allowances for up to 3 children , medical insurance for them and all their family etc...
So maybe now it will make sense.
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So much for our pay rise eh Sam! The cost of living in HK I can assure you is way more than DXB, so in real terms the CX and EK packages are probably the same. I'd say the pollution is far less in DXB too!