Are all pilots @ EK so unhappy?
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Er....think you completely mis read my post there friend. I wasn't having a pop at you at all, in fact, far from it. Apologies if construed that way as I was actually in agreement with you!
My reference was to the comment made from the EVP Comercial Officer, T.A. How he can expect 170 cadets to fill an ever increasing void is beyond me. Even someone with the most basic of intelligence would see that they are going to be years away from a full and efficient line operation. He must be aware that 4500 pilots will know this so it merely feeds our suspicion that the Company is either lying and doesn't care or, is generally unaware of how dire the situation really is.
Either way, it just makes them look stupid.
Harry
Er....think you completely mis read my post there friend. I wasn't having a pop at you at all, in fact, far from it. Apologies if construed that way as I was actually in agreement with you!
My reference was to the comment made from the EVP Comercial Officer, T.A. How he can expect 170 cadets to fill an ever increasing void is beyond me. Even someone with the most basic of intelligence would see that they are going to be years away from a full and efficient line operation. He must be aware that 4500 pilots will know this so it merely feeds our suspicion that the Company is either lying and doesn't care or, is generally unaware of how dire the situation really is.
Either way, it just makes them look stupid.
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Originally Posted by harry the cod
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Er....think you completely mis read my post there friend. I wasn't having a pop at you at all, in fact, far from it. Apologies if construed that way as I was actually in agreement with you!
My reference was to the comment made from the EVP Comercial Officer, T.A. How he can expect 170 cadets to fill an ever increasing void is beyond me. Even someone with the most basic of intelligence would see that they are going to be years away from a full and efficient line operation. He must be aware that 4500 pilots will know this so it merely feeds our suspicion that the Company is either lying and doesn't care or, is generally unaware of how dire the situation really is.
Either way, it just makes them look stupid.
Harry
Er....think you completely mis read my post there friend. I wasn't having a pop at you at all, in fact, far from it. Apologies if construed that way as I was actually in agreement with you!
My reference was to the comment made from the EVP Comercial Officer, T.A. How he can expect 170 cadets to fill an ever increasing void is beyond me. Even someone with the most basic of intelligence would see that they are going to be years away from a full and efficient line operation. He must be aware that 4500 pilots will know this so it merely feeds our suspicion that the Company is either lying and doesn't care or, is generally unaware of how dire the situation really is.
Either way, it just makes them look stupid.
Harry
That is the target audience and they’ll swallow the story because that’s what they are led to believe, namely that a 170 cadets will be ready to join the line in a matter of weeks and all required pilot numbers will be magically restored .
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And that's just the point Jack. The actual problem will still be here in a few months, and will be even bigger. What will they say then? More pilots left than they thought? Summer always a difficult time to recruit? Chinese upped their packages? More American pilots left for US jobs than they expected?
Everyone is beyond tired of the excuses. Just get the wallet out, pay a decent salary increase to retain and attract. Then, with sufficient numbers, sort the rostering debacle by having a system that actually works by removing daft restrictions. It's not rocket science!
Harry
Everyone is beyond tired of the excuses. Just get the wallet out, pay a decent salary increase to retain and attract. Then, with sufficient numbers, sort the rostering debacle by having a system that actually works by removing daft restrictions. It's not rocket science!
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My thoughts exactly. While such a pathetic excuse might keep the public/media quiet for a while, it will be blindingly obvious when 20+ a/c are still parked come August and they are still cancelling flights. What their end game is, I have no idea??
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Roster restrictions
Harry mentions "daft restrictions" exactly what roster restrictions are we talking about here.
They must be there for a reason....mandatory FTL's and company soft rules?
Name a few.
They must be there for a reason....mandatory FTL's and company soft rules?
Name a few.
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Any doomsday theory is fake news by the bad media, fed by very bad pilots.
Wonderful local talent will be on line just in time to replace the lazy, ungrateful and indisciplined immigrant unbelievers.
(i think i already heard similar bs somewhere else by an equally dumb [email protected], who created a lot of the mess himself in the first place)
Wonderful local talent will be on line just in time to replace the lazy, ungrateful and indisciplined immigrant unbelievers.
(i think i already heard similar bs somewhere else by an equally dumb [email protected], who created a lot of the mess himself in the first place)
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Hey Harry,
How would one even respond to glofish? Maybe the better question is why would any professional respond to such bias dished out by a local. However this post shows the underlying resentment of some locals and obviously some management towards its Xpat work force. I think glofish's response speaks volumes and offers insight into the minds of many on the property, which by the way has not been my experiance. Maybe he's right, fake news is that airplanes are parked, fake news there's a pilot shortage, fake news Ek pilots are Bad, Lazy, Ungrateful, and are Immigrant Unbelievers.
Here is some real news glofish you cant fix stupid. GFYS.
How would one even respond to glofish? Maybe the better question is why would any professional respond to such bias dished out by a local. However this post shows the underlying resentment of some locals and obviously some management towards its Xpat work force. I think glofish's response speaks volumes and offers insight into the minds of many on the property, which by the way has not been my experiance. Maybe he's right, fake news is that airplanes are parked, fake news there's a pilot shortage, fake news Ek pilots are Bad, Lazy, Ungrateful, and are Immigrant Unbelievers.
Here is some real news glofish you cant fix stupid. GFYS.
Originally Posted by Goldencane
Harry mentions "daft restrictions" exactly what roster restrictions are we talking about here.
They must be there for a reason....mandatory FTL's and company soft rules?
Name a few.
They must be there for a reason....mandatory FTL's and company soft rules?
Name a few.
Rules... here's one. The east/west min times between flights rule. Supposedly not a legality but a "business rule" to minimise fatiguing patterns and timezones.
Rigidly applied when trying to swap, but totally legal when they roster less and you query it.
I get why the rule exists, but it's to prevent repeated use of those patterns, not the one off you actully want to do.
Ditto for rostering ULR after short blocks of leave, rendering 5 days pretty much useless for travel except elsewhere in the Gulf.
Rigidly applied when trying to swap, but totally legal when they roster less and you query it.
I get why the rule exists, but it's to prevent repeated use of those patterns, not the one off you actully want to do.
Ditto for rostering ULR after short blocks of leave, rendering 5 days pretty much useless for travel except elsewhere in the Gulf.
Fliion,
Fair comment. Had I been back to PPRuNe earlier, though, I would have commented along the lines of Odin's Raven where it's not really comparing apples with apples.
As an aside, if you go to OECD Social Progress Index you'll see some interesting data. UAE: Foundation of Wellbeing -"No data". UK, access to basic knowledge - "98.46." I think those stats tell the real story of Dubai vs Western World.
Fair comment. Had I been back to PPRuNe earlier, though, I would have commented along the lines of Odin's Raven where it's not really comparing apples with apples.
As an aside, if you go to OECD Social Progress Index you'll see some interesting data. UAE: Foundation of Wellbeing -"No data". UK, access to basic knowledge - "98.46." I think those stats tell the real story of Dubai vs Western World.
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