Is war likely with Iran? Consequences for EK?
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True, but they dont need to do that, it is the job of Tsahal
For the lifeof me, I just can't phantom how anyone with a conscience can send an innocentchild with a bomb strapped to their little bodies to sacrifice their lives. Do the teachings of the Koran support such barbarism?
Thugs that arecowards, putting innocent lives at risk who want peace and are threaten withtheir and family’s lives if they do not cooperate. Come on now… is it really cricket firing rockets from Gaza into Israel fromschool yards where children play... from hospitals where the sick and injuredlay in fear... food stores where the hungry are provided with limited sustenance?
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You're right Fromagio, apologies for the wrong number I have given as far as the Gaza population is concerned.
On the other hand the IDF doesn't have M1 Abrams tanks but home made Merkavas.
What the IDF does to the palestinians is exactly what the PLO then and Hamas now does to the Israelis with only one difference: the official policy of Hamas is to wipe out the zionist regime while Israel does not want to wipe out anybody.
They just protect their country (then if you don't recognize it it's your problem since it exists as per UN vote) and their interests just like any country would do, even with force if necessary.
As per Israel being founded by terrorism well, you should also check your facts because its history goes well beyond what Irgun members did to the Brits talking of which were occupying a land they didn't own and even deciding for both the Arabs and the Jews about their future while setting up detentions camps for holocaust survivors in Cyprus.
To cut a long story short the world is divided into two groups: those who recognize Israel's right to exist and those who don't.
Obviously for the 7 million Israeli people this is the starting point of a constructive discussion, otherwise they have no other option but defend themselves from those who want to deny their existence.
The palestinians are in the same situation, the only problem is that they are not eager to be constructive but only destructive and they get what they want.
On the other hand the IDF doesn't have M1 Abrams tanks but home made Merkavas.
What the IDF does to the palestinians is exactly what the PLO then and Hamas now does to the Israelis with only one difference: the official policy of Hamas is to wipe out the zionist regime while Israel does not want to wipe out anybody.
They just protect their country (then if you don't recognize it it's your problem since it exists as per UN vote) and their interests just like any country would do, even with force if necessary.
As per Israel being founded by terrorism well, you should also check your facts because its history goes well beyond what Irgun members did to the Brits talking of which were occupying a land they didn't own and even deciding for both the Arabs and the Jews about their future while setting up detentions camps for holocaust survivors in Cyprus.
To cut a long story short the world is divided into two groups: those who recognize Israel's right to exist and those who don't.
Obviously for the 7 million Israeli people this is the starting point of a constructive discussion, otherwise they have no other option but defend themselves from those who want to deny their existence.
The palestinians are in the same situation, the only problem is that they are not eager to be constructive but only destructive and they get what they want.
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Maybepilot,
"but I'm sure your doctor friend doesn't care and prefers bashing Israel instead)."
My doctor friend is too busy saving lives and working a huge humanitarian effort ( for free ). He doesn't have time to bash Israel. It's not his focus.
The palestinians get what they want ? Are you Effin kidding me ?
"but I'm sure your doctor friend doesn't care and prefers bashing Israel instead)."
My doctor friend is too busy saving lives and working a huge humanitarian effort ( for free ). He doesn't have time to bash Israel. It's not his focus.
The palestinians get what they want ? Are you Effin kidding me ?
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Sassy,
I'm one of those westerners who dislikes political correctness and still says what his freedoms grant him: yes the palestinians have elected Hamas democratically therefore they have to face the official policies they have chosen.
Here is a brief explanation of Hamas' charter: Charters/Constitutions - FATEH Constitution - PLO Charter - Hamas Charter
Read it and tell me what you think of Hamas itself and of those who chose to vote their ways.
Still waiting for your explanation on who is more at home in the american continent between you and a native mexican you would like to see out of the US border....
I'm one of those westerners who dislikes political correctness and still says what his freedoms grant him: yes the palestinians have elected Hamas democratically therefore they have to face the official policies they have chosen.
Here is a brief explanation of Hamas' charter: Charters/Constitutions - FATEH Constitution - PLO Charter - Hamas Charter
Read it and tell me what you think of Hamas itself and of those who chose to vote their ways.
Still waiting for your explanation on who is more at home in the american continent between you and a native mexican you would like to see out of the US border....
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Fine, consider me a jerk. Pretend I don't have your best interests in mind. Revert to what you know, even if it is not factual. Quite frankly, if you don't do it soon, then I will join the ranks of the majority of humanity, who has simply given up on you.
Sittingidly is very good at criticizing and his lexicon is quite sharp and rich, he offers no solutions however and if you ask him to name a country he actually admires or a system he would pass on to his kids be sure what comes out of his basket will be as criticizable as the countries and systems he opposes if not probably more.
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The USA invaded Iraq without provocation and based on lies and no sane human-being on the planet would disagree with that fact
Ahh.. there are plenty of military who will attest that WMD's were in fact in Iraq and moved around. But that's a whole other thread and it will be argued as much as this one.
Maybe, I will read it but my viewpoint will not change. Not after seeing the pictures that I saw and learning as much as I did from the docs. I don't care what the charter says.. innocent children, schools and hospitals are targets by the Israeli's and their weapons are much bigger and broader and they are still using illegal phosphorus bombs. It is a freakin small strip of land. Jesus!!
Ahh.. there are plenty of military who will attest that WMD's were in fact in Iraq and moved around. But that's a whole other thread and it will be argued as much as this one.
Maybe, I will read it but my viewpoint will not change. Not after seeing the pictures that I saw and learning as much as I did from the docs. I don't care what the charter says.. innocent children, schools and hospitals are targets by the Israeli's and their weapons are much bigger and broader and they are still using illegal phosphorus bombs. It is a freakin small strip of land. Jesus!!
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maybepilot,
One Muftie does not a genocidal race make. Hitler was both Christian and against organised religion, so either the Islamic system was irrelevant to the cause or we're all genocidal maniacs.
One Muftie does not a genocidal race make. Hitler was both Christian and against organised religion, so either the Islamic system was irrelevant to the cause or we're all genocidal maniacs.
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I'll choose the one who pays taxes and contributes to the system rather than those who swim over and suck the life out of it
Maybe, I will read it but my viewpoint will not change.
Not after seeing the pictures that I saw and learning as much as I did from the docs. I don't care what the charter says.. innocent children, schools and hospitals are targets
israel today | Israel News | Pictures of the Fogel family massacre - israel today | Israel News
By the way the targets the palestinians have been sistematically bombing over the years are city busses, clubs, restaurants just like those who support their cause have been bombing planes, the WTC, the London underground, the Madrid trains, the Bali disco and so on.....
One Muftie does not a genocidal race make. Hitler was both Christian and against organised religion, so either the Islamic system was irrelevant to the cause or we're all genocidal maniacs.
And never will.
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Love this debate!
Seriously love it: Arab v. Jew..
So can someone please explain to me why a free market democracy of 7m people is stronger than the surrounding Arab poupulation of 350m that doesn't have a democracy amongst them.
BTW it's rhetorical....I've already figured it out....problem is 350m haven't
Good ole fashioned democratic capitalism beat imperialism, nazism, communism and ultimately will beat fundamentalism.
And to Sassy: why are we here?
Tell you why, because I live in a country that has invited the US military on to it's soil, I work for a co. that is the biggest customer of Americas largest exporter, I love going to Starbucks in the mall and watching the local biz men do their deals on the iPads & iPhones...
..but the real reason I like it is because I know If Iran decided to have a go at the UAE the US would be front and center protecting Emiratis who pay no tax with equipment paid for by my tax..
There is just something comically ironic about that...and get this .. I am not allowed to display my flag in public ..
No thanks expected...just a modicum of objectivity every couple of posts.
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Seriously love it: Arab v. Jew..
So can someone please explain to me why a free market democracy of 7m people is stronger than the surrounding Arab poupulation of 350m that doesn't have a democracy amongst them.
BTW it's rhetorical....I've already figured it out....problem is 350m haven't
Good ole fashioned democratic capitalism beat imperialism, nazism, communism and ultimately will beat fundamentalism.
And to Sassy: why are we here?
Tell you why, because I live in a country that has invited the US military on to it's soil, I work for a co. that is the biggest customer of Americas largest exporter, I love going to Starbucks in the mall and watching the local biz men do their deals on the iPads & iPhones...
..but the real reason I like it is because I know If Iran decided to have a go at the UAE the US would be front and center protecting Emiratis who pay no tax with equipment paid for by my tax..
There is just something comically ironic about that...and get this .. I am not allowed to display my flag in public ..
No thanks expected...just a modicum of objectivity every couple of posts.
Respectfully,
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I too am loving the debate but we are creeping away from thread, as usual. Maybe I missed it but has anyone come close to offering an opinion on whether or not war is likely ? I am nowhere nearly as informed as some of the mighty post offerings but my view is that a pre-emptive strike by Israel is highly likely but it will not lead to a "war". Moreover, following Netanyahu's visit to Obama, agreement seems likely that the strike will be witheld until after the Us elections & in exchange, further Technical support will be given to Israel (like serious weaponry). Well, that is what my ex, Valeena, who works in Washington, just told me.
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Captainjns .....
You r absolutely right about the bodies strapped bombs that the victim of the IDF massacres are using to retaliate mostly women and children.
On the other hand they ready to tread all this WMD with the Israeli arsenal
Phosphorous boms, F16, M16 , Nuks , Tank.......etc
Open up no one in the world believes in ur propaganda anymore and best thing which is your worst nightmare even the American people themselves are opposing your actions and awakening from the long sleep your zionist lobbies put them in ,and they gonna claim back their institutions by the force of a gun
I let you imagine what's gonna happen again to all of you isn't it history repeating it self but that time it gonna happen not in Europe but in the USA .
As you can feel it in this posts an American spring is bubbling as this folks are really sick and tired of doing the dirty war by getting all this boots killed or disabled for life and their hard working class tax money goes as an Aid for you in the name of so called friendship.
The clock is ticking ..
You r absolutely right about the bodies strapped bombs that the victim of the IDF massacres are using to retaliate mostly women and children.
On the other hand they ready to tread all this WMD with the Israeli arsenal
Phosphorous boms, F16, M16 , Nuks , Tank.......etc
Open up no one in the world believes in ur propaganda anymore and best thing which is your worst nightmare even the American people themselves are opposing your actions and awakening from the long sleep your zionist lobbies put them in ,and they gonna claim back their institutions by the force of a gun
I let you imagine what's gonna happen again to all of you isn't it history repeating it self but that time it gonna happen not in Europe but in the USA .
As you can feel it in this posts an American spring is bubbling as this folks are really sick and tired of doing the dirty war by getting all this boots killed or disabled for life and their hard working class tax money goes as an Aid for you in the name of so called friendship.
The clock is ticking ..
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Open up no one in the world believes in ur propaganda anymore and best thing which is your worst nightmare even the American people themselves are opposing your actions and awakening from the long sleep your zionist lobbies put them in ,and they gonna claim back their institutions by the force of a gun
I let you imagine what's gonna happen again to all of you isn't it history repeating it self but that time it gonna happen not in Europe but in the USA .
I let you imagine what's gonna happen again to all of you isn't it history repeating it self but that time it gonna happen not in Europe but in the USA .
Since the level of the debate has reached such low I can just reply to you that in 1940 one of the most powerful nations on earth lead by one of the most charismatic leaders who was backed by the majority of his people who happened to be amongst the more educated, disciplined and determined of those times did not succeed in wiping off what he called, just like you do today, the zionist lobby and their followers.
Nowadays there isn't a single country that could match those characteristics and unlike 1940 today's Jews have not only a Country but a mighty army and influential military,economical and social connections worldwide.
Rest assured history will not repeat itself, they have learnt and will not allow it to happen again to your utmost disappointment.
Iran?Not really any threat let's be honest (a coupe of submarines off the coast of India would do the job) , just a country full of oil that sooner or later will bend to the power of $$ to the advantage of both the seller (local regime permitting) and the buyer and this is a rule which was in place well before capitalism and islam.
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maybepilot,
Well, that just about sums it up 
But I'm still unsure if that statement, fit to precede the phrase "I rest my case", is for the defence or the prosecution 
Iran?Not really any threat let's be honest (a coupe of submarines off the coast of India would do the job) , just a country full of oil that sooner or later will bend to the power of $$ to the advantage of both the seller (local regime permitting) and the buyer and this is a rule which was in place well before capitalism and islam.
But I'm still unsure if that statement, fit to precede the phrase "I rest my case", is for the defence or the prosecution
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Back to the war, I think is a matter of when not if.
Anyhow I dont think Obama will let this happen until the elections are over. I.e. Rumors of giving bunker buster missiles to israel to keep them at bay a bit longer. Oil will go ballistic on the war news, (not so good for a Pres wanting to get re-elected).. The question is how will the UAE fair economically and from a safety standpoint. Sources that I have followed said that Iran would be sending missiles into the UAE... I assume the initial few days would be the greatest threat to safety in the UAE. Any thoughts on the likelihood of the UAE becoming a target? I'm looking into joining Emirates, but would like to see how this all plays out first.
Anyhow I dont think Obama will let this happen until the elections are over. I.e. Rumors of giving bunker buster missiles to israel to keep them at bay a bit longer. Oil will go ballistic on the war news, (not so good for a Pres wanting to get re-elected).. The question is how will the UAE fair economically and from a safety standpoint. Sources that I have followed said that Iran would be sending missiles into the UAE... I assume the initial few days would be the greatest threat to safety in the UAE. Any thoughts on the likelihood of the UAE becoming a target? I'm looking into joining Emirates, but would like to see how this all plays out first.
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BBC News - Iran's banks to be blocked from global banking system
Another step towards isolating this awful regime, but sadly one which is going to hit hardest at the innocent civilians who are themselves victims of the regime. The elite and those in power, just as in Zimbabwe, will have ways of circumventing sanctions.
Another step towards isolating this awful regime, but sadly one which is going to hit hardest at the innocent civilians who are themselves victims of the regime. The elite and those in power, just as in Zimbabwe, will have ways of circumventing sanctions.
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Americans in the middle east protecting Emiratis? guyz on this thread sure are dreamers, maybe just ignorant airframe drivers with little or no understanding of greater politics and propaganda that is at play in our brave new world.
Amazing, mmh mmh!
Amazing, mmh mmh!