Emirates going with DEC
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We all know what Emirates publishes and what they actually get are two different items.
Recruitment Dept says they are looking for 100 DECs which probably means more like 150 S#$%s. There is no way they are going to find 150 TREs but they will have no problem finding 150 narrow body domestic pilots from very dodgey airlines.
This is ahsame because this will delay the hard working and long oppressed Emirates FOs command by at least a year and more like two years if they go for 150 DECs.
Don't give us the Pravda line of Emirates has always hired DECs. That may be true but it goes without saying that we don't need DECs and just goes to show you what kind of company we are working (slaving) for.
Recruitment Dept says they are looking for 100 DECs which probably means more like 150 S#$%s. There is no way they are going to find 150 TREs but they will have no problem finding 150 narrow body domestic pilots from very dodgey airlines.
This is ahsame because this will delay the hard working and long oppressed Emirates FOs command by at least a year and more like two years if they go for 150 DECs.
Don't give us the Pravda line of Emirates has always hired DECs. That may be true but it goes without saying that we don't need DECs and just goes to show you what kind of company we are working (slaving) for.
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Enlighten me, please
So Emirates is a terrible place to work for, according to some of the F/Os. Even then they are desperate for an upgrade in that ****e airline.
Low cost drivers can't have it anymore and are looking for sunnier skies and some perks in the desert.
Westeners in Asia dream to come back to the west civilization, but jobs here are scarce and pay little.
So, if Emirates, Ryanair, Easyjet, Wizzair, Airberlin, etc are all rubish, what should we do? Be born again (german) and try Lufthansa?
Or maybe we could stop moaning and help other colleagues to find greener pastures, instead of hoping that they will all fail in their assessments!
Low cost drivers can't have it anymore and are looking for sunnier skies and some perks in the desert.
Westeners in Asia dream to come back to the west civilization, but jobs here are scarce and pay little.
So, if Emirates, Ryanair, Easyjet, Wizzair, Airberlin, etc are all rubish, what should we do? Be born again (german) and try Lufthansa?
Or maybe we could stop moaning and help other colleagues to find greener pastures, instead of hoping that they will all fail in their assessments!
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so, in one sentence, you want to "calm" your senior fos by putting them in their place of gear operator, but want others to help you find greener pastures.
Try that answer on the assesment, nobody has to hope for anything.
Try that answer on the assesment, nobody has to hope for anything.
Fair cop Gov.
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So Fueler you want us to help you jump the senority list and at the same time prevent or delay us in getting our commands when again there is absolutly no need for "pilots" like you? Get in line.
You obviously are working at a dodgey airline. Your talent level will show in the interview and lucky for us we will not have to fly with Gems like you.
You obviously are working at a dodgey airline. Your talent level will show in the interview and lucky for us we will not have to fly with Gems like you.
Swan Man I really don't get your logic saying that they will have no problem getting DEC's from very dodgy airlines. Is it that you see narrowbody domestic airlines as being dodgy? Why?
Do you mean the likes of Ryanair, easyJet, Wizz, Air Berlin, etc. (Even though all of these are international carriers).
Please tell me i'm misinterpreting what you said.
Do you mean the likes of Ryanair, easyJet, Wizz, Air Berlin, etc. (Even though all of these are international carriers).
Please tell me i'm misinterpreting what you said.
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Swan man, you are the type of senior F/O that I was referring to a few posts ago! For you I have just two words: Gear Down!!!
As per my job I'm pretty happy at the moment, thank you! Don't worry that I'll not delay your upgrade. But by what I read here about EK TREs you have no chance since all your brain seems to be burnt by the desert sun!
Good luck to you anyway.
As per my job I'm pretty happy at the moment, thank you! Don't worry that I'll not delay your upgrade. But by what I read here about EK TREs you have no chance since all your brain seems to be burnt by the desert sun!
Good luck to you anyway.
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And he will need it I would suspect. Some people will never sit in the left hand seat of anything apart form a Cessna 152 or something similar.
Swan Man you fit the bill on paper.
Swan Man you fit the bill on paper.
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I am sick of these narrow body pilots from crap airlines telling me what to do. I came from a airline before I got laid off that paid its stewardress' more than most of you narrow body captains at the dodegy airlines you come form and they work less day than your 20 plus days a month you do. What are you guys thinking with your hourly wages and your 8 days off a month?
The reason you have your commands is your working at such bad airlines that no one wants to work there. Can you blame anyone for not wanting to do what you do? And now you want to jump the line and tell us how great you are? If you were great as you think you are you would not be slaving at the airlines we all know you come from.
The reason you have your commands is your working at such bad airlines that no one wants to work there. Can you blame anyone for not wanting to do what you do? And now you want to jump the line and tell us how great you are? If you were great as you think you are you would not be slaving at the airlines we all know you come from.
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Perhaps I wasn't being offensive enough to get noticed on the previous page, but there are probably 50 or 60 guys at the Goat applying for the position, never mind Ryanair, these guys have all the requirements including widebody plus are already ME based. Is the poaching agreement in place? I hear it has been dropped but not from any reliable source. DEC is the norm here and no one bothers, just part of the expansion process, and before I get shot down I've been there myself, not pleasant but as they say, 'what to do?'
When was the last lot of DEC hired at EK...2007/2008, its not that long ago. There was plenty of discussion about this, and lots of mention of how the then FO community was being bypassed. But still you decided to join. The only thing that is different now, is that it may cause you a delay and not someone else.
Minibus FOs have been bypassed for years by their Boeing comrades and the junior guys give no thought to jumping the list in this case. But that's somehow different right?
To claim that only dodgy pilots from dodgy operations would apply to be DEC at EK makes me wonder where you came from if you decided to give up the left seat to come here as an FO. This argument makes no sense.
We use to think that the hiring of DECs in the past would stop FOs from applying here. It didn't, you all applied and took the job when offered. If you look at the foum about interview info for EK you will find people willing to sell their grandmothers to come here. Once the do arrive, we will have to wait 3yrs or so until the Big Shiny Jet Syndrome starts to wear off them and they too complain about DECs.
At least we got our leave...oh wait there, no we didn't.
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Minibus FOs have been bypassed for years by their Boeing comrades and the junior guys give no thought to jumping the list in this case. But that's somehow different right?
To claim that only dodgy pilots from dodgy operations would apply to be DEC at EK makes me wonder where you came from if you decided to give up the left seat to come here as an FO. This argument makes no sense.
We use to think that the hiring of DECs in the past would stop FOs from applying here. It didn't, you all applied and took the job when offered. If you look at the foum about interview info for EK you will find people willing to sell their grandmothers to come here. Once the do arrive, we will have to wait 3yrs or so until the Big Shiny Jet Syndrome starts to wear off them and they too complain about DECs.
At least we got our leave...oh wait there, no we didn't.
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Just look at EK's history. Look at the seniority list and show me where we have EVER had a big batch of DEC's???? There is one here, 2 there, 1 here etc etc.
1. They have NEVER hired DEC's in large quantities!!
2. The company has publically said that the DEC program was considered a failure. The ones that made it are good but there were a large number of failures. It was costly.
3. From what I have heard (not fact) they will likely hire 30-40 DEC's , at most, to cover a 'gap' in the seniority list. I would also guess as a means to get some of the contract trainers on board.
4. Those DEC's will ALL have WB command - especially if it is only 30 pilots!
So while it may not be fair, it is the way at EK. In any case, I doubt it will be more than a slight blip on the upgrade progression.
For the guys from Ryan Air etc who came as FO's I highly doubt any of your former collegues will be hired as DEC's and 'jump' you. There are enough WB commanders and NB Captains at local (Middle East companies with their regional experience) to take the limited spots.
1. They have NEVER hired DEC's in large quantities!!
2. The company has publically said that the DEC program was considered a failure. The ones that made it are good but there were a large number of failures. It was costly.
3. From what I have heard (not fact) they will likely hire 30-40 DEC's , at most, to cover a 'gap' in the seniority list. I would also guess as a means to get some of the contract trainers on board.
4. Those DEC's will ALL have WB command - especially if it is only 30 pilots!
So while it may not be fair, it is the way at EK. In any case, I doubt it will be more than a slight blip on the upgrade progression.
For the guys from Ryan Air etc who came as FO's I highly doubt any of your former collegues will be hired as DEC's and 'jump' you. There are enough WB commanders and NB Captains at local (Middle East companies with their regional experience) to take the limited spots.
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I've posted before about my own experience. I'm now a short haul, narrow body captain (well the a/c is narrow body anyway!) but was previously a long haul wide body captain. I gave up the long haul so I could see more of my kids. I know many others who have done the same for various reasons. It is not difficult to go back to long haul and the recent posts suggesting otherwise and referring to 'cr*p short haul pilots' show incredible arrogance.
I also know at least one guy who joined EK having been a captain and they only took him on as a F/O even though they were then recruiting DEC's - so perhaps not all are as outstanding as Swan Man and Varmint believe.
Friends within once suggested many years ago that I join EK as an F/O as with my experience I would get back to the LHS within 2 years or so. I gave it some thought but most people I know who have voluntarily stepped from the LHS to the RHS to join another airline, have had to wait longer than forecast to get their command back. I didn't do it as there are too many variables within our industry beyond our control.
If you were a captain and joined as a F/O more fool you!
For the record i am not applying myself.
I also know at least one guy who joined EK having been a captain and they only took him on as a F/O even though they were then recruiting DEC's - so perhaps not all are as outstanding as Swan Man and Varmint believe.
Friends within once suggested many years ago that I join EK as an F/O as with my experience I would get back to the LHS within 2 years or so. I gave it some thought but most people I know who have voluntarily stepped from the LHS to the RHS to join another airline, have had to wait longer than forecast to get their command back. I didn't do it as there are too many variables within our industry beyond our control.
If you were a captain and joined as a F/O more fool you!
For the record i am not applying myself.
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To all EK FO
I joined EK as an FO at the moment I was a Capt with a flag-carrier that ran into serious financial trouble and was treated like a piece of **** by some ego’s (EK TRI & TRE) that never made it into any serious company before they got into EK during the early nineties.
One piece of advice is: you must be very careful not to identify yourselves with the ego of EK itself. It is not because you have some skills, that other expats (domestic help etc.) do not have, that this means you can expect to be treated any different.
The Middle East is the Mekka of modern slavery, EK owns you. In their perception you are no different than a domestic help from Pakistan, Philippines, Sri Lanka etcetera.
I understand and I feel a lot of empathy with the position the EK FO's find themselve in today, but a reality check is needed. You decided to go to the Middle East. We had turmoil in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen and at the present time in Syria.
So get over it, look around you and even in your own house. Be happy that “you” are not the one that is cleaning the toilets.
It is not because you are a domestic help that you could not be even a pilot. For many it means that they simply never got the chance to educate themselves.
Sociopaths run big companies, they have to be, otherwise they would not be able to take the decisions that are necessary. The same is true for every doctor that cannot let the pain and emotions of his patients get to him.
Some of you ran away from Ryanair because you felt that they had no respect for their employees.
EK is like a prostitute; she looks nice and sexy but is rotten to the bone on the inside.
Stay calm, cool and collected and let your situation not affect your family or you will be a long way from home and all by yourself.
Economics is the same as war..... It’s civilians that are the soldiers. If you can weaken your opponent by hiring some of their staff, then that is what they will do. The only risk they take is rioting in their own ranks.... it is not going to happen.
One piece of advice is: you must be very careful not to identify yourselves with the ego of EK itself. It is not because you have some skills, that other expats (domestic help etc.) do not have, that this means you can expect to be treated any different.
The Middle East is the Mekka of modern slavery, EK owns you. In their perception you are no different than a domestic help from Pakistan, Philippines, Sri Lanka etcetera.
I understand and I feel a lot of empathy with the position the EK FO's find themselve in today, but a reality check is needed. You decided to go to the Middle East. We had turmoil in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen and at the present time in Syria.
So get over it, look around you and even in your own house. Be happy that “you” are not the one that is cleaning the toilets.
It is not because you are a domestic help that you could not be even a pilot. For many it means that they simply never got the chance to educate themselves.
Sociopaths run big companies, they have to be, otherwise they would not be able to take the decisions that are necessary. The same is true for every doctor that cannot let the pain and emotions of his patients get to him.
Some of you ran away from Ryanair because you felt that they had no respect for their employees.
EK is like a prostitute; she looks nice and sexy but is rotten to the bone on the inside.
Stay calm, cool and collected and let your situation not affect your family or you will be a long way from home and all by yourself.
Economics is the same as war..... It’s civilians that are the soldiers. If you can weaken your opponent by hiring some of their staff, then that is what they will do. The only risk they take is rioting in their own ranks.... it is not going to happen.
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Trader......
Over 100 DEC's in 2004.
Maybe you weren't here then, but no one missed out on an upgrade and most of the guys were good people with good experience.
Over 100 DEC's in 2004.
Maybe you weren't here then, but no one missed out on an upgrade and most of the guys were good people with good experience.
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Originally Posted by Trader
3. From what I have heard (not fact) they will likely hire 30-40 DEC's , at most, to cover a 'gap' in the seniority list. I would also guess as a means to get some of the contract trainers on board.
4. Those DEC's will ALL have WB command - especially if it is only 30 pilots!
4. Those DEC's will ALL have WB command - especially if it is only 30 pilots!
Not WB, but 3,000 hrs command on glass over 50 tonnes...
Them's the facts!!!
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So White Knight, I know you have been around for some time.
After your previous post; did you feel important? Or were you just giving in to your narcisism.
Why would EK be in the need of some contract TRE's?
How many pictures did you take of yourself on your black horse?
After your previous post; did you feel important? Or were you just giving in to your narcisism.
Why would EK be in the need of some contract TRE's?
How many pictures did you take of yourself on your black horse?
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