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Who ever posted $27000 is dreaming as that is @ 100K AED, that might of been the month that the profit share was included.
The web site does not reflect the current situation, DEC are coming ,soon, but not in the hugh #'s as you might think. Put it this way- EK will have problems getting all that they would like because the pass rate will not be great, that is what the stats say. A word of advice for those DEC's that do come - dont slack off once you are on line, you will be checked for the first 9 months . including no notice check rides with standards,fail once - pressure is on , fail a 2nd time - gone packing
The web site does not reflect the current situation, DEC are coming ,soon, but not in the hugh #'s as you might think. Put it this way- EK will have problems getting all that they would like because the pass rate will not be great, that is what the stats say. A word of advice for those DEC's that do come - dont slack off once you are on line, you will be checked for the first 9 months . including no notice check rides with standards,fail once - pressure is on , fail a 2nd time - gone packing
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inciter:
I cannot imagine what toilet-bowl abortion you evolved from to make such an outrageous statement. No Emirates TRE would ever consider acting as shamefully as you suggest.
You have proficiently succeeded in ensuring the opposite effect of your pathetic desire. No doubt, ICAO and the UAE GCAA will now be aware that the integrity of the Emirates Airline may be compromised due to the possibility of manipulated DEC pilot selection/training in order to placate disgruntled First Officers. These entities will now more closely monitor Emirates pilot training. Ironically, any sub-standard First Officers will be more exposed.
On the very, very, slight chance that any renegade Emirates TRE may subscribe to your retaliatory methods, I suggest that any DEC who fails selection or training and feels they may have been discriminated against in any Emirates simulator, submits a detailed report to the respective civil aviation legislative authorities.
In the USA the Pilot Record Improvement Act 1996 (PRIA) is in place. The Act requires all airlines to provide training records, including simulator reports, of any former employee, before that person can be recruited by a US airline. In anticipation of any replies to this post that the requirement to produce records only applies to US airlines, it does not. Emirates flies to the USA, therefore, FAA inspectors may request training records from Emirates and take the appropriate action should Emirates not comply and/or the records are determined to be false.
Inciter, I suggest you pursue your cause with Emirates management rather than hoping that TRE's act illegally on your behalf.
I hope the TREs stick together, look after their own and send a clear message by failing as many DECs as possible.
You have proficiently succeeded in ensuring the opposite effect of your pathetic desire. No doubt, ICAO and the UAE GCAA will now be aware that the integrity of the Emirates Airline may be compromised due to the possibility of manipulated DEC pilot selection/training in order to placate disgruntled First Officers. These entities will now more closely monitor Emirates pilot training. Ironically, any sub-standard First Officers will be more exposed.
On the very, very, slight chance that any renegade Emirates TRE may subscribe to your retaliatory methods, I suggest that any DEC who fails selection or training and feels they may have been discriminated against in any Emirates simulator, submits a detailed report to the respective civil aviation legislative authorities.
In the USA the Pilot Record Improvement Act 1996 (PRIA) is in place. The Act requires all airlines to provide training records, including simulator reports, of any former employee, before that person can be recruited by a US airline. In anticipation of any replies to this post that the requirement to produce records only applies to US airlines, it does not. Emirates flies to the USA, therefore, FAA inspectors may request training records from Emirates and take the appropriate action should Emirates not comply and/or the records are determined to be false.
Inciter, I suggest you pursue your cause with Emirates management rather than hoping that TRE's act illegally on your behalf.
Who ever posted $27000 is dreaming as that is @ 100K AED, that might of been the month that the profit share was included.
A TRE with on 10th increment, doing 104 hrs and 17 training duties (which they are!!) recieving housing and ERP on, say AUDs does indeed pull 90+k DHS.
$27k would still be a helluva good month, but not inconcievable.
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TOMMY TILT... Outstanding..!!
To Anyone Who's Not A Space Cadet 
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TOMMY TILT'S - Post is one of the best in recent memory...
Well done Sir... Respect for stating the obvious.. and protecting the integrity of the training department...
The embracement of common decency and integrity that you choose to mention and infer... simply seems to be missing from so many Flight Decks around the globe at present...
Nice to see a person of substance make a suite of comments worth reading for once..!!
If you and your ilk are the individuals responsible for assessing prospective candidates (right or left seat)... Then they are in good hands..!
Well Done...
Regards
Scotty D
...TOMMY TILT'S - Post is one of the best in recent memory...
Well done Sir... Respect for stating the obvious.. and protecting the integrity of the training department...
The embracement of common decency and integrity that you choose to mention and infer... simply seems to be missing from so many Flight Decks around the globe at present...
Nice to see a person of substance make a suite of comments worth reading for once..!!
If you and your ilk are the individuals responsible for assessing prospective candidates (right or left seat)... Then they are in good hands..!
Well Done...
Regards
Scotty D
Last edited by ScottyDawg; 22nd Feb 2012 at 22:24. Reason: Typo...(I'm an eejit..!!)
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Funny...
This thread just proves that pilots are all the same, no matter if on Emirates or Ryanair or Air China. Everybody just looks to your own career. Experienced F/O's hate DEC's, Long Haul guys "look down" to Low Cost ones. And many don't realize that YOU can be the one looking for a better job in the very near future.
Never say never... And don't forget that you ARE NOT the eagle that you think you are!
Fly safe.
This thread just proves that pilots are all the same, no matter if on Emirates or Ryanair or Air China. Everybody just looks to your own career. Experienced F/O's hate DEC's, Long Haul guys "look down" to Low Cost ones. And many don't realize that YOU can be the one looking for a better job in the very near future.
Never say never... And don't forget that you ARE NOT the eagle that you think you are!
Fly safe.
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"- A minimum of 7000 hours total flying time (only front seat time on turboprop and/or turbojet aircraft can be counted).
- A minimum of 3000 hours command time on multi-crew, multi-engine commercial jet aircraft with an MTOW of 50 tonnes or more."
Are there many FOs in EK that have these hours? Just asking, not trying to put gasoline on the fire...
- A minimum of 3000 hours command time on multi-crew, multi-engine commercial jet aircraft with an MTOW of 50 tonnes or more."
Are there many FOs in EK that have these hours? Just asking, not trying to put gasoline on the fire...
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HAHAH I guess a bunch of Ryanair captains agree with you wholeheartedly Fuel Dump, fancy that!
As far as screening DEC's, if it's the same level as EK took last round, it won't exactly be a chore to justify failing them. If anything the selection TRE's must have been bending over backwards to get them in, not keep them out.
As far as screening DEC's, if it's the same level as EK took last round, it won't exactly be a chore to justify failing them. If anything the selection TRE's must have been bending over backwards to get them in, not keep them out.
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As a former DEC I do not have a problem with EK hiring them, what I think is wrong is lowering the criteria from 10k 3k on an EK type. Under the previous criteria ie last weeks rules, they would have been experienced on type and most likely experienced in similar flying to EK ops. These type of pilots would be a useful addition to the operation.
Under this weeks rules that is not necessary going to be the case.
What is also frustrating is a lot of people already here meet the criteria for DEC now but are frozen waiting for 3 years.
Under this weeks rules that is not necessary going to be the case.
What is also frustrating is a lot of people already here meet the criteria for DEC now but are frozen waiting for 3 years.
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I cannot find anything on their website either.If and when it does,I guess they will do so only because the airline needs DEC to keep up with the expansion plans and also give their F/O's a fair chance...i.e.. they may lower the requirements for their F/O's too.And yes,new guys would be at the bottom of the seniority list.Good luck to all the upgrading F/O's.
Can anyone jot down new requirements about which we are discussing here?
Can anyone jot down new requirements about which we are discussing here?
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"What is also frustrating is a lot of people already here meet the criteria for DEC now but are frozen waiting for 3 years."
So a lot of guys with 5-6 years as captains on the 737 or 320 has joined EK as FOs? Where did they come from? Wonder why didn't they apply to SQ Cargo as DEC on the 744 instead since they met the requirements and we have hired a lot of guys the last couple of years.
So a lot of guys with 5-6 years as captains on the 737 or 320 has joined EK as FOs? Where did they come from? Wonder why didn't they apply to SQ Cargo as DEC on the 744 instead since they met the requirements and we have hired a lot of guys the last couple of years.
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Patty,
Probably because EK offer better long term prospects than SQ cargo especially after the way the expats were treated in mainline...
And for your info yes there are quite a few people within the company who meet the requirements except the 3 years in the company...
Rgds.
Probably because EK offer better long term prospects than SQ cargo especially after the way the expats were treated in mainline...
And for your info yes there are quite a few people within the company who meet the requirements except the 3 years in the company...
Rgds.
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"Probably because EK offer better long term prospects than SQ cargo"
Exactly. Even if you have to wait four years for your wide body command. Nice to hear someone admit that instead of the usual bitching about being "shafted" "screwed" etc etc
"And for your info yes there are quite a few people within the company who meet the requirements except the 3 years in the company..."
Well, then the company should of course give these guys an upgrade before resorting to DECs. But, would the other FOs prefer that THEY jump the queue rather than DECs doing it?
Exactly. Even if you have to wait four years for your wide body command. Nice to hear someone admit that instead of the usual bitching about being "shafted" "screwed" etc etc
"And for your info yes there are quite a few people within the company who meet the requirements except the 3 years in the company..."
Well, then the company should of course give these guys an upgrade before resorting to DECs. But, would the other FOs prefer that THEY jump the queue rather than DECs doing it?
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DECs were a disaster last time around with supposedly high time pilots. What kind of pilots are we going to get with 3000 PIC and just narrow body domestic pilots?
As has been said before on the website there is no need for these DECs whatsoever. That being said when these "qualified" DECs come into Emirates they will not be well received to say the least. That is just human nature.
Pilots are their own worst enemies and this is just another example of the downward spiral of the industry. We only have ourselves to blame and the DECs in particular.
Caveat emptor
As has been said before on the website there is no need for these DECs whatsoever. That being said when these "qualified" DECs come into Emirates they will not be well received to say the least. That is just human nature.
Pilots are their own worst enemies and this is just another example of the downward spiral of the industry. We only have ourselves to blame and the DECs in particular.
Caveat emptor
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You guys keep making the argument that it was a disaster the last time they took DEC's, sorry but the numbers just don't back that claim, 20% failure rate is actually very good compared with all other companies that hire DEC's what do you think is the pass rate at KAL? Asiana? Air Japan? Sin Cargo? And about how they will be welcomed, It is the same story at every DEC job available out there, they will thrive and earn the respect of their colleagues just like you will if and when you move on from EK, because as an expat there is no permanency in ANY job, at some point you will want to have some variety in your life and unless you go back to UCAL at the bottom of the pile earning next to nothing, you will also go for a DEC position. The upgrade program will continue guys, you don't seem to realize that they will need DEC due to the growth, you will get your turn, is not either or, it's both.