Emirates going with DEC
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From: neverland
wiz... not sure but someone ,mentioned lazy line pilots. thats what got me going. I just think that people don't seem to realize for SOME of us flying is our job and our lives are what we do outside this crazy world of airplanes. sometimes not doing training or something that is time consuming has nothing to do with work ethics but to do with personal happiness
i still think EK should make the job attractive enough so the average line guy wants it!
i still think EK should make the job attractive enough so the average line guy wants it!
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From: earth
There's a point there, I mean the one with the assessment procedures.
- You join after undergoing the psycho stuff and grilling.
- You upgrade after going through the same mill again.
- You join training after having to pick up soap for the same armchair team a third time ...
But the new DECs joining training will only have to endure that torture once!
Has anyone ever raised the question if the too big failure rate of upgrades and the too small number of training applicants originates right there with the EK psycho team?
Once is enough, for DECs and for normal line pilots.
Maybe more buddies pass the upgrade because they're less demoralized and more captains join training because they don't have to bow to some morons again. Result:
No need for DECs and we could save some money by reducing the psycho team.
- You join after undergoing the psycho stuff and grilling.
- You upgrade after going through the same mill again.
- You join training after having to pick up soap for the same armchair team a third time ...
But the new DECs joining training will only have to endure that torture once!
Has anyone ever raised the question if the too big failure rate of upgrades and the too small number of training applicants originates right there with the EK psycho team?
Once is enough, for DECs and for normal line pilots.
Maybe more buddies pass the upgrade because they're less demoralized and more captains join training because they don't have to bow to some morons again. Result:
No need for DECs and we could save some money by reducing the psycho team.
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From: Nowhere
Who is considering joining Emirates as an FO? I can't imagine anyone with any kind of self esteem wanting to have their command further delayed by DECs.
On the same note what makes the QF joiners think they are going to pass the selection at Emirates this time around? No one has Qatar as their first choice so that means they probably failed in their attempts to get into Ek the first time around. And they think they are going to pass this time?
We all know Emirates is very desperate but not that desperate.
Good luck
On the same note what makes the QF joiners think they are going to pass the selection at Emirates this time around? No one has Qatar as their first choice so that means they probably failed in their attempts to get into Ek the first time around. And they think they are going to pass this time?
We all know Emirates is very desperate but not that desperate.
Good luck
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From: Nowhere
Who says EK is a good airlines Patty? Never mind we know what airline you are flying at and I am sure Emirates looks like a good airline to you and your experience.
Never applied to Qatar thank God. Emirates is bad enough. You probably think even QF is a good airline.
Never applied to Qatar thank God. Emirates is bad enough. You probably think even QF is a good airline.
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From: Hotel
Swan Man
Sorry but you're pathetic. You're trashing every other airline and their crews. Only you and EK are good enough... and still you are complaining about the people that would apply to EK....
If you think EK is crap then leave, find the other airline that gives you a command faster (if any) and live a nice life.
Please tell us when you find your nirvana...
Sorry but you're pathetic. You're trashing every other airline and their crews. Only you and EK are good enough... and still you are complaining about the people that would apply to EK....
If you think EK is crap then leave, find the other airline that gives you a command faster (if any) and live a nice life.
Please tell us when you find your nirvana...
Last edited by Patty747400; 18th March 2012 at 08:45.
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From: Hades.
Taking DEC trainers (elect) is an admission of defeat.
For whatever reason, MM can't make the job attractive enough for those in the company to want to do it. Personally, it's about the lifestyle. The extra money would be handy but something better than min days off and being forced to end up a TRI/TRE would make a big difference. (I know they say you can stay TRI-AO for a while but they still expect you to go the whole hog eventually).
For whatever reason, MM can't make the job attractive enough for those in the company to want to do it. Personally, it's about the lifestyle. The extra money would be handy but something better than min days off and being forced to end up a TRI/TRE would make a big difference. (I know they say you can stay TRI-AO for a while but they still expect you to go the whole hog eventually).
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From: Nowhere
Patty you and your lot just aren't worth it. Look what you have done to the industry. You think EK is a good job. Now that is pathetic!
No wonder, you could never get a good job like at AF, BA, LH, AA, DL, QF and now you want to jump the line at Emirates. You couldn't get hired at a real airline and now you want to jump the line at a middle of the road airline.
You couldn't pass the 1st time around what makes you think you will pass this time around?
No wonder, you could never get a good job like at AF, BA, LH, AA, DL, QF and now you want to jump the line at Emirates. You couldn't get hired at a real airline and now you want to jump the line at a middle of the road airline.
You couldn't pass the 1st time around what makes you think you will pass this time around?
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From: 3rd Rock from the Sun
First DEC interviews this week
Prioritising Ex EK Crew and TRI/TRE's
Apparently over 1000 applications
150 DEC's this coming financial year which wont affect FO upgrades
They will be put through the entire Command course. So training is min 35 days.
Selection is going to apparently be much tougher than the previous intake for DECs
Prioritising Ex EK Crew and TRI/TRE's
Apparently over 1000 applications
150 DEC's this coming financial year which wont affect FO upgrades
They will be put through the entire Command course. So training is min 35 days.
Selection is going to apparently be much tougher than the previous intake for DECs
Last edited by Easy Ryder; 19th March 2012 at 14:56.
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From: Michigan
No DEC deserves the position especially since Emirates does not need DECs and they severly disadvantage the hard working FOs here.
Originally only 50 DECs and now 150? And this is not going to disadvantage any FO? You can't be that delusional!
Originally only 50 DECs and now 150? And this is not going to disadvantage any FO? You can't be that delusional!
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From: Planet Earth
Always wondered how EK managed to survive all this time with such a stupid policy of only upgrading FO .
With a huge number of plane on order sooner or later they had to come back to the old habit like the competitor neighbors.
As a Capt on the B777 with more than 3500h on type If I decide to join EK I will have to do it on the right seat an wait for all the FO to complete their upgrades before I can move back to the left seat woooh.
Who ever managed to sell a stupid idea like this to Emirates in this highly competitive market, for such a long time must be very very good.
Congratulation,
With a huge number of plane on order sooner or later they had to come back to the old habit like the competitor neighbors.
As a Capt on the B777 with more than 3500h on type If I decide to join EK I will have to do it on the right seat an wait for all the FO to complete their upgrades before I can move back to the left seat woooh.
Who ever managed to sell a stupid idea like this to Emirates in this highly competitive market, for such a long time must be very very good.
Congratulation,
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From: korea
They survived by upgrading FOs with a minimum of 3000hrs on type, usually many more, with a proven track record, and unlike DECs joining us from outside, a good level of exposure to a network that most other airlines who operate and handfull of 777s would never have seen. Oh and one more thing, our FOs have operated just about every varient of 777 that exists, not just one or two.
Don't get me wrong I think we need all the pilots we can get, but many a so called experienced 777 qualified pilot has come here and flunked, some have been outright dangerous...our FOs are highly experienced, well trained and competent, so if your coming here as a DEC don't make the mistake of thinking that you’ll breeze through just because you have a bit of time on type.
Don't get me wrong I think we need all the pilots we can get, but many a so called experienced 777 qualified pilot has come here and flunked, some have been outright dangerous...our FOs are highly experienced, well trained and competent, so if your coming here as a DEC don't make the mistake of thinking that you’ll breeze through just because you have a bit of time on type.