EX TERMINATOR

HPTCC,
Indeed that has been what we were hoping for!! a speedy recovery for the sake of the good and honest people working for PJ..I honestly can not see this happening under the current senior management team. Mark my words. However, it is a good thing that you have responded to my thread.. but whatever happened to the questions posed to you by FAT CLEMENZA and ASDF1234 regarding the AOC being revoked plus other extremely serious indications and incidents!!

EX TERMINATOR

If, as you are pointing out: money is not spent wisely..decisions are not made smartly..managers are not listening to the right people.. and top management are not acting professionally.. what kind of management does PJ have? This is exactly what we have been on about since the beginning.

asdf1234

I have to echo Ex-Terminator's post - what happened to the AOC? It can't hurt to say once and for all - yes we lost it or no, we still have it?

TRITAR500

PJ AOC has not been renew. They lay off 40 employees. GCAA is verywith them and their AOC is gone for ever if they don't change senior management and come back with a very professional operation with full time postholders and a new contract for pilots

EX TERMINATOR

Dear hptcc and others defending PJ "Senior Management",
Well, it looks like PJ Senior Management, on top of which is dubai981, is in deep trouble. GCAA has finally detected the virus. Do not stick up for the viruses, or you will get the disease. It is fatal and is called corrupt and fraudulent practices.

Tsonami 33

Hey People over there,

I see some of you still arguing about the AOC issue which has nothing anymore to do with Prestige Jet current situation.The fact is that the AOC has been renewed ;however they are financially broken.

The small Deeb and the other relative have been selling flights all these times on Credit without collecting the money, we can understand that with goverment and royal sides they are not entitled to ask for the money but what about the other clientt!!! Theyhave been enjoying flying with private jet for almost the whole year and not paying, why?? Cuz marketing just want to sell their flights, they make the crew rush like dogs prior to each flight with fake dep times, this whole scenario to make sure they will get their annual commision by the end of the year.

They are planning to fire above 40 people even, they already started with one pilot-poor he is-and all the rest will be on hold (logic wise no money).

Really feel sorry for the other people inside even i hold all the respect and appreciation for Faris Deeb, honestly he is a smart guy with unlimited thinking.Things were supposed to took another way but dunno what happened with them.

Wish them best of luck.

Gulfstreamaviator

Has any one else seen their current full page and back cover advert in the ME trade press.

Theey have what appears to be a lost tail surface, in fact it is a messed up cut and paste.

Is there any one in charge of advertising.......?

glf

EX TERMINATOR

Professionally speaking, no one is in charge of anything, not only advertising. It is a whole mess. This is what happens when pathetic performers take charge of senior management positions and deny decent and professional people their rights.
PJ, under its current management, is distant from civilized and internationally recognized practices, as well as from the fundamental principles of humanity and decency. This continues to be a cause for one to feel sorry for those innocent and decent people inside.

EX TERMINATOR

T33,
I could not help but pose this question: How can one be a "smart guy with unlimited thinking" and yet allow such pathetic marketing, financial, administrative and human resource practices to slip through and continue for such a long period of time?!

B737best

Unlimited stupidity is their way of thinking,countless of complaints being filed everyday by employees , the new investor will quickly understand that financially , this place is not viable.THEY OWE MONEY ALL OVER THE WORLD.They are transfering money to Jordan to start the same scam overthere. BEWARE. Looks like they will be left with a couple of airplane.
PJ is down to a CJ2 now. oupssss.
They are still flying their Sovereigns with contract pilots. Those poor bastards probably dont even know that those plane are due for repo from Cessna finance. Leases unpaid for months. go PJ. The laugh of the gulf

EX TERMINATOR

You know.. It would really be a big surprise if the Jordanian authority (JCARC) allows PJ to dig deep its rotten roots in the country knowing its current status and hilarious performance histroy in the UAE. Such status and performance are no secrets to anyone. It does not take a lot of intelligence to figure out that such an establishment is a threat to the safety and a burden to the economy of any country. It is a disgrace to human rights, as well as to the basic rules of ethics, decency and professionalism.

EX TERMINATOR

Operating N-reg aircraft (as well as any other non A6-reg A/C) commercially by a UAE AOC holder such as PJ is one of GCAA's most serious violations. This violation has been continuously practiced since the beginning by PJ with instructions to the employees (both verbal and written) from their CEO (Faris Deeb) to claim that such aircraft are only flown privately by the owners (sheiks trusting PJ for the management of their aircraft).
As for the shrinking number of aircraft under their management, this is due to the fact that the credulous sheiks have gradually started to discover the reality of PJ and accordingly terminate their contracts with them and eventually pulling out their aircraft. There are on going lawsuits to this effect, and hence the only remaining CJ2.

Fat Clemenza

HOw can the CJ2 still be flying if they only got one pilot left to fly it?

S.F.L.Y

The CJ2 is single pilot certified, even for commercial ops, as long as your are A6 registered (which obviously isn't the case anyway).

Fat Clemenza

I wouldn't be surpried exterminator...Heard they got several lawsuits from current and former employees, let's hope the company stays in business long enough so they get their money from them

EX TERMINATOR

Knowing how deceitful and sleazy PJ is towards its employees, and how unfair the justice system in the UAE (land of slavery) is, especially towards expats, it is not going to be easy for those whom PJ owes money..but I agree with you and sure hope that they will eventually get their money. Working for PJ has indeed been a bitter experience for so many. I hope that everybody learns from it.

TRITAR500

AOC not renew; it will take a long time and many changes to get it back, then they will be watched by the GCAA.

EX TERMINATOR

Any one knows any news about their outfits outside UAE and whether the relevant authorities have started to discover them or not yet? Spain, Jordan, Bahrain and Qatar??

hptcc

Lets look at the facts. AOC - UAE AOC - Spain AOC - Jordan AOC - Qatar AOC - Bahrain, in process. As an outsider it just seems to me that there are a few sour grapes out there trying to ruin the bunch. The fact is that PJ grew sooo quickly over the past 2 years that it was inevitable that they made a few mistakes which I am sure they have learned from now. As for their AOC's in the various other GCC states and in Spain, well that is a sure sign that the Top management are serious about the expansion of the Company and, to their credit, haven't given in to those nasty people out there who are tring to bring them down.

Unfortunately because of the rapid epansion, PJ were put in the situation whereby they were desperate to hire people to meet their operatinal requirements (maintenance, ops, cabin crew, admin, dispatch, HR etc etc) and because of this hiring frenzy it was again inevitable that they employed some absolute tossers who had no clue about aviation or were just outright useless because they felt that as they new the owner they could get away with anything i.e do nothing. Hopefully Top Management have cottoned onto the fact of who the players are and who the acheivers are and will rid the company of all dead wood to streamline the operation.

As a parting message all I can say is that there will always be scum out there who will try and bring down the top dog - just be aware as big brother is always watching.....I am the vortex.....LONG LIVE PRESTIGE JET INTO 2010 AND BEYOND......

S.F.L.Y

Soyons serieux deux minutes: flying illegal charter flights for 2 years on everything but A6 registration isn't a little "mistake" and this says a lot about the management. Let's see if they will cover their debts and involve people with some more "operational" experience for the management.